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Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
Hello, people. I don't want to start a new topic, so sorry for some offtopic. I have a T410s now, and I'm pretty happy with it, but I'm looking for some upgrade in a future. I love 14" screen size and the light weight of my T410s, so I think the upgrade will be to T4x0s. I don't like T430s keyboard, so is T420s the only candidate?
I have some questions to the owners of T420s, you can help me understand, does it makes any sense an upgrade from T410s to T420s.
1. Is the T420s CPU soldered to MoBo just like my T410s i5-560M? There are i5 and i7 T420s options, so can I buy T420s with core i5 and then replace the CPU?
2. What's the max amount of RAM on the 420? I have 8GB on my 410 and that's all. Could I put 16GB in 420?
3. What's size of internal SSD/HDD? My 410 has 1.8" 128G SSD, and that's ok, but if 420 have 2.5" one - that will be cool.
4. Que about Video. There are Intel HD 3000 AND NVS4200M, or Intel HD OR NVS4200M?
I have a NVS3100M, and it's not pretty good...
Thanks.
I have some questions to the owners of T420s, you can help me understand, does it makes any sense an upgrade from T410s to T420s.
1. Is the T420s CPU soldered to MoBo just like my T410s i5-560M? There are i5 and i7 T420s options, so can I buy T420s with core i5 and then replace the CPU?
2. What's the max amount of RAM on the 420? I have 8GB on my 410 and that's all. Could I put 16GB in 420?
3. What's size of internal SSD/HDD? My 410 has 1.8" 128G SSD, and that's ok, but if 420 have 2.5" one - that will be cool.
4. Que about Video. There are Intel HD 3000 AND NVS4200M, or Intel HD OR NVS4200M?
I have a NVS3100M, and it's not pretty good...
Thanks.
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Re: Upgrade T420s wifi
You should have created a new thread, because your question is way off-topic.
1. Soldered.
2. 16GB
3. SSD options are mSATA or standard 2.5 inch SATA drive.
4. Never had a laptop with discrete graphics, so I can't answer this question. In any case, according to Notebookcheck.net, NVS 4200M is roughly equivalent to a Geforce GT 520M-- unsuitable for any serious gaming.
1. Soldered.
2. 16GB
3. SSD options are mSATA or standard 2.5 inch SATA drive.
4. Never had a laptop with discrete graphics, so I can't answer this question. In any case, according to Notebookcheck.net, NVS 4200M is roughly equivalent to a Geforce GT 520M-- unsuitable for any serious gaming.
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Re: Upgrade T420s wifi
[quote="axur-delmeria"][/quote] Thanks for your reply. I don't play games on T410s, but I use it for CAD / CAM software, especially Rhinoceros and ArtCAM. i5 560M is pretty good for that, but I wonder if T420s i7-2640M will be much better...
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
The 2nd generation Core CPUs are more efficient, less power-consuming and cooler-running than 1st generation Core CPUs. I don't know about "much" better, but it should be better.
The HD 3000 is integrated into the CPU, so you always get it. Therefore it's HD 3000 and NVS 4200M.
The HD 3000 is integrated into the CPU, so you always get it. Therefore it's HD 3000 and NVS 4200M.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
Thanks for creating a new thread. I went to Cpuboss and compared i5 560M and i7 2640M and didn't see MUCH difference... I've expected for 50% at least. So, no reason to upgrade from 410s to 420s? Unless 16Gig RAM support (that's very good for me, haha). I don't think NVS 4200M is nessesary upgrade, cause 3D applications use only CPU/RAM, and not often GFXcard...
what about T430s you have?dr_st wrote:.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
50% ? If your workload is CPU intensive (I don't know if your CAD software eats up more of the CPU than the GPU), then an upgrade to a laptop with a quad-core i7 CPU should give you a noticeable performance boost.
Perhaps the quad-core model of the W520 is a closer match to what you require.
Perhaps the quad-core model of the W520 is a closer match to what you require.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
[quote="axur-delmeria"][/quote]
Yeah, sure, the W5x0 series is awesome, but much more expensive and not so slim/lightweight.
Yeah, sure, the W5x0 series is awesome, but much more expensive and not so slim/lightweight.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
The T420s uses a 7mm (thickness) hard drive. Only half of my SSD's fit, the other half are 1mm too high on one side...perhaps one could file away some of the hard drive casing -- I haven't tested this.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
SSDs are relatively easy to open.
Take the top-casing off, put some Kapton tape over the exposed parts, and off you go...
Take the top-casing off, put some Kapton tape over the exposed parts, and off you go...
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
That's surprising. I would have thought the complete majority of SSDs were 7mm (and offered with adapters for 9.5mm caddies). Guess I was wrong.jaspen-meyer wrote:The T420s uses a 7mm (thickness) hard drive. Only half of my SSD's fit, the other half are 1mm too high on one side
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
Brilliant!RealBlackStuff wrote:SSDs are relatively easy to open.
Take the top-casing off, put some Kapton tape over the exposed parts, and off you go...
Now ALL of my SSD's fit into the T420s.
A quick test:
MMBRE16G5MSP is 9.32mm.
Remove the top and it's 6.9mm.
Remove the top and bottom and it's 4mm (thickness of the sata interface).
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
It's possible to install a quad-core i7 on a regular (not slim) T420, but based on reports from fellow Thinkpadders that performed the upgrade, full CPU speed cannot be sustained due to inadequate cooling (the CPU will reduce its clock speed to prevent overheating).
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
Were they using the 45W TDP or 35W quads?axur-delmeria wrote:It's possible to install a quad-core i7 on a regular (not slim) T420, but based on reports from fellow Thinkpadders that performed the upgrade, full CPU speed cannot be sustained due to inadequate cooling (the CPU will reduce its clock speed to prevent overheating).
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
^
IIRC only Ivy Bridge had 35w quad-cores, which won't on those T420's unless they had coreboot installed (which I doubt).
IIRC only Ivy Bridge had 35w quad-cores, which won't on those T420's unless they had coreboot installed (which I doubt).
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
AutoCAD is a single core application. Single-core performance difference between i5 560M and i7 2640M is 33%.axur-delmeria wrote:If your workload is CPU intensive (I don't know if your CAD software eats up more of the CPU than the GPU), then an upgrade to a laptop with a quad-core i7 CPU should give you a noticeable performance boost.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
The 430s gives you a newer gen processor and updated integrated graphics, as well as running a bit cooler. I agree on the keyboard but that can be replaced with a classic style one anyway.
They're not too expensive these days so if it were me, I'd be looking for the best processor/graphics option and worry about the keyboard later.
They're not too expensive these days so if it were me, I'd be looking for the best processor/graphics option and worry about the keyboard later.
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Re: Upgrade from T410s to T420/s
If you feel like fiddling a little, you cam install a xx20 in a xx30 machine. I use both a x230 and x220 on a daily asks and the x230 is significantly faster. BTW before my T430s died, it was one stellar machine! Definitely recommend the keyboard swap!
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