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Two Lancasters

#1 Post by killer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:26 am

Two Lancaster bombers fly together for the first time since 1964. Full article and further links here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-li ... e-28756779

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Re: Two Lancasters

#2 Post by Norway Pad » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:31 pm

That's cool. Great to see that these planes are not only restored and painted, but also able to fly. And one even flew across the sea from Canada.. Wow. I have a hard time keeping the big english WWII bombers apart, Halifax, Lancaster etc, but I recognized the Lancaster this time. Funny story: A Wellington airplane was shot down over my elementary school in April 1940. The school was built back up, and when I went there, a propeller blade from the Wellington plane was hanging in the hallway. We spent many hours looking at and touching that piece of history.

I used to be, and to some extent still is, a WWII airplane enthusiast. So one of my biggest moment so far is when I got a private guided tour inside a Heinkel 111 bomber, and even sit in the cockpit and look out through the big glass nose. It was restored, but sadly it wasn't able to start or fly. Which I am glad to see these Lancasters are.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#3 Post by killer » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Glad you enjoyed it, Norway Pad. There is some video footage here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-li ... e-28778212

Just hearing eight Rolls Royce Merlin engines is music to the ears.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#4 Post by Norway Pad » Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:33 pm

Yes, that IS music. Both the Merlin and its German equvalent, the DB 601/605. Amazing to see the DB engine's features like fuel injection and barometrically controlled supercharger. Wartimes certainly pushed development to the limit.

Not to mention that the Germans even put such an engine in a car.. I found this article not too long ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_T80 Before boost pressure and rpm could be taken to the levels it is today, the only way to get 3000 horsepower in your car was to fit a 44 liter V12 engine.. :lol:
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Re: Two Lancasters

#5 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:58 pm

Norway Pad wrote:
I used to be, and to some extent still is, a WWII airplane enthusiast.
As am I...although it's been quite a while since I've touched any of the stuff...

Was inside Hurricane, Spitfire, ME-109 and Stuka...doubt that any of these treasures survived the spring of '99 though...

@killer:

Back in 1979 when I first landed in the UK I was taken to a huge airplane museum of some kind, but for the life of me I can't remember where it was. They had quite an extensive outdoor display of various WW I and WWII airplanes...

Do you have any idea of what I'm referring to - apologies for being vague - whether it still exists, and its actual location?
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Re: Two Lancasters

#6 Post by killer » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:31 am

Could be the RAF Museum http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/ or Imperial War Museum at Duxford http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford

There's also Brooklands (where the pre-war racing circuit used to be) http://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/ or the Shuttleworth Collection near Bedford http://www.shuttleworth.org/index.asp

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Re: Two Lancasters

#7 Post by Norway Pad » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:43 am

ajkula66 wrote:Was inside Hurricane, Spitfire, ME-109 and Stuka...doubt that any of these treasures survived the spring of '99 though...
What incident took place then? Just curious. Always sad when equipment that has been preserved that long gets ruined by modern civilization's actions. I would have loved to see a "Sturzkampfflugzeug". Such a crazy operation. 360mph diving and pull back up, a maneuver that exposed pilots to 5G..

And killer: thanks for some good links to must-visit sites when we go to the UK for a vacation. :)
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Re: Two Lancasters

#8 Post by killer » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:40 am

Norway Pad, the Brooklands museum has a Wellington bomber that was fished out of a loch in Scotland. It is gradually being restored. With your tale about a Wellington propeller blade you might like to see what the whole thing looks like.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#9 Post by Norway Pad » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:53 pm

Great, would love to see it! With its proximity to London, Brooklands would be a good choice combined with a trip to London.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#10 Post by craigmontHunter » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:12 pm

I was in the Air Cadets and I remember being in the Battle of Britain Parade several times - We were always facing away from the runway, however for the flyby everyone would turn and watch (even though we were told not to) - The last one I was in there was the Lancaster, a Spitfire, and I believe a Corsair in the flyby (this was a few years ago), it really is a spectacular sight.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#11 Post by Temetka » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:11 pm

Thanks for the links to te article and video.

I have spent a lot of time studying WWII and it's various air and naval battles. It's kind of a hobby of mine.

Someday I will own the Wings of the Lutwaffe on DVD, as well as the other WWII Wings series.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#12 Post by AIX » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:49 am

No miniatures Temetka? :) I have a few of them, from Ares' WW2 Wings of Glory line and Wings of War WW2 line. These ones:

Supermarine Spitfire Mk.I
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I do consider the WW2 period as the most beautiful age of the aviation. Beautiful planes, brave men, little electronics.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#13 Post by Temetka » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:51 pm

Sadly, I don't have any models. However if I were to get one it would be of a plane that has held my imagination ever since I was a wee aviation fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

Such a cool looking plane and very advanced for it's day. Had it been produced in large numbers it could have changed the skies over Europe in terms of tactical air superiority. I don't know if it would have had much impact on ground war though.

Also this has nothing to with the topic at hand, but since I brought up things that have captured my imagination let me introduce you folks to the Bomarc missile. I loved based on looks alone. I mean how could a missile that looks this insanely awesome not be cool?

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#14 Post by Norway Pad » Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:45 am

WWII planes was my big interest also as a kid, so I bought many model kits. Fortunately my dad helped me building the first ones, so they got built and painted to such a decent state that I have kept most of them. My favorite is the Heinkel 111, mostly beacuse one of them was shot down by a british Skua in the mountains close to where I live. The Skua also had to make an emergency landing nearby, and the crew from the Skua later met the crew from the Heinkel in a cabin up in the mountains. These events were the basis for the 2012 movie "Into the White". The Heinkel wreck was rescued in the 70s, and later restored. I had the honor of a guided tour inside it, which was one of my bigger moments.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#15 Post by ilakast » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:18 am

ajkula66 wrote:Do you have any idea of what I'm referring to - apologies for being vague - whether it still exists, and its actual location?
Could it be the one in Coventry? http://www.coventryairport.co.uk/midland-air-museum.php
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#16 Post by ansible212 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:12 am

ilakast wrote:Could it be the one in Coventry? http://www.coventryairport.co.uk/midland-air-museum.php
More likely to be the RAF museum at Hendon in London:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/thin ... splay.aspx

...or RAF Cosford in Staffordshire:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/thi ... geNumber=2
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Re: Two Lancasters

#17 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:31 am

Getting old is no fun...and 35 years is a pretty long time even for my - otherwise very good - memory...

I'd say it was Coventry, but am not 100% sure...
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Re: Two Lancasters

#18 Post by killer » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Dear George,

If I had come to the UK for the first time in 1979 I think I would have remembered roughly where it was. I remember where I landed the time I flew for the first time (Athens 1973), the first time I flew to Canada (Edmonton 1975), and the first time I flew to the USA (New York 1977). BTW, I hate flying and prefer to travel by sea. It is much safer, the food is better, and you can smoke on deck.

If you flew from the former Yugoslavia to England in 1979 it is unlikely that you arrived near Coventry. It is more likely that you arrived near London at either Gatwick or Heathrow.

Therefore Hendon seems the most likely ... it isn't far from Heathrow.

I hope this helps.

Wishing you all the best. :)
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#19 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:03 pm

My dear friend with a scary name... :D ...

It's the 80s where I lost most of my memory but can tell you this much:

My '79 visit to UK was spent mostly in Brighton, in what was then known as "East Sussex School Of English"...we landed at Luton, I believe.

To the "aircraft place" I got taken by some friends of the family that I'm no longer in contact with. At that time they lived in the Lancaster area, but I'm fairly certain that it's not where the site was located.

So Coventry sounds about right, for some reason...
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#20 Post by ansible212 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:19 am

My money would still be on RAF Hendon. They have an extensive collection of WWI and WWII aircraft on display, including a Lanc.
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Re: Two Lancasters

#21 Post by killer » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:24 pm

I agree. Hendon has the best collection. Duxford is good too. It is just outside Cambridge so if the aircraft museum isn't up to scratch at least you can visit Kings College Chapel, the Round Church, and the 'backs'.

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#22 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:33 pm

killer wrote:It is just a shortening of my surname ... the same as Lemmy from Motorhead. Nothing scary there. :lol:
Sharing *anything* with Lemmy is scary enough... :D
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#23 Post by Qing Dao » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:52 pm

I myself am an aviation nut, especially WWII and pre-war.

ajkula66, have you ever made it to the Mid-Atlantic Air Museum's WWII Weekend? The only thing better than watching a B-29 start its engines and fly around was listening to the speakers' talks.
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#24 Post by Temetka » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:06 am

Ah the sounds of a B-29 engine firing up.

Get's the blood pumping, doesn't it? ;)
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Re: Two Lancasters

#25 Post by killer » Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:22 pm

There could be three Lancasters one day. 8) See article here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-li ... e-28245409
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Re: Two Lancasters

#26 Post by Medessec » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Don't know if everyone will see this... but I'm going to the Reno Air Races this weekend.

I don't know about Lancasters... but a lot of other interesting planes will be there, I'll have to take some video.
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