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Like several posters on this thread, I purchased a Seagate Momentus 100GB 7200RPM Hard Drive for my T43P. And like others, I got the 2010 error message. I then ran the update utility Lenovo provides which also took a look at my drive and decided it didn't need an update, even though I was running the 3.04 firmware.

So I went in to the FW.PRO file and edited the line for my drive and essentially tricked the update utility into realizing my drive needed an update. Next time I ran the utility with the edited files, it said my drive needed an update, so I did it. Unfortunately, I sitll get the 2010 error despite the fact that the update utility now shows my drive as having the 3.07 firmware. So I guess not even the update utility will make the drive stop throwing that 2010 error even if you manage to update the firmware.

Too bad I guess. It's a minor annoyance, but other than that, everything still works perfectly. Although I probably won't ever buy another Lenovo again.


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I purchased Hitachi 5k100/80G (HTS541080G9AT00; S/N:MPB4PAX6K0KM8M, MB4OA60A). I got 2010 at first.
Then

01.I download fwhd43.iso from IBM, and

02.Modified mpbA60Ab.tbl file, replace all(2 of them) "A5BJ -> A60A" to "A60A -> A60A".

03.copy MB4IA60A.BDF to MB4OA60A.BDF

04.write these files back to that ISO and burn to CD.

05. boot with this cd and quit to c:\ without do anything.

06.in c:\ type:
hfui14 OA60A -pm MB4IA60A.bdr /f mpbA60Ab.tbl
press U to upgrade, you will get an upgrade error, and press any key to exit to c:\.

07. in c:\, type
hfui14 IA60A -pm MB4IA60A.bdr /f mpbA60Ab.tbl
press U to upgrade and ... ...

08.reboot , no 2010

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Of those that have upgraded to the Seagate 100GB 7200 drive - did you keep your existing pre-desktop and other hidden bits?

Just wonder if thats anything to do with the error being there for some and not for others.

I dont have the pre-desktop area, just did a new install on the new drive - and I get the error before boot.


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When it comes to harddisk data reliability, I display lots of cowardice. For my T43, I recently bought a Lenovo 80MB 5400 rpm drive from Directron for $122, and that included the TP carrier which wouldn't come with generic drives. This wasn't a great bargain when compared to faster and larger drives available, but I am also not worried about potential firmware related write errors.


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Hi,

Is there a reason to upgrade the HD firmware if you are *not* getting the 2010 error -- i.e. are there any other upgrades in the firmware, or is there better communication with the HD with the IBM firmware?

I have a Hitachi 7k100 drive (not from IBM), and it works fine in my A31 thinkpad. But I have issues with 30-60sec delays on wake up from sleep/hibernate (more likely to happen when the machine has been sleeping for a longer time) -- i.e. I hit the power button or open the screen, and the laptop only reacts about 30-60 sec later.

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There's no documentation on the changes to the firmware, that I'm aware of. So it's hard to say if it will fix your problem or not.

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There's no documentation on the changes to the firmware, that I'm aware of. So it's hard to say if it will fix your problem or not.

By the way, IBM/Lenovo has a firmware update on their website, updated Aug 27, 2006: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-62282, which lists supported drives besides IBM, i.e. Hitachi, Seagate, etc. But it says "This utility only supports IBM or Lenovo options."

I take it IBM "option" means the IBM version of the Hitachi drive? I.e. I take it the above means the firmware update updates only the IBM/Lenovo-sold versions of these manufacturers' drives and if you buy it from elsewhere you need to use the modified firmware update packages posted on this forum? Is this right? (just wondering if it's still true that the "modified" firmware is needed)

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Milos wrote:
I take it IBM "option" means the IBM version of the Hitachi drive? I.e. I take it the above means the firmware update updates only the IBM/Lenovo-sold versions of these manufacturers' drives and if you buy it from elsewhere you need to use the modified firmware update packages posted on this forum? Is this right?

I believe so. My T42 came with a 40GB Fujitsu MHT2040AH. I bought an aftermarket 40GB Fujitsu MHV2040AH which I believe has the same specs. The firmware update did not seem to work with the aftermarket drive. I did not try any modified firmware.

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I spoke to a Hitachi support rep several months ago over the phone about the firmware issue. They are well aware of it, and found no issues other than the annoying boot message. The firmware IBM uses apparently only identifies the drive as an IBM part. That's the only difference.

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I spoke to a Hitachi support rep several months ago over the phone about the firmware issue. They are well aware of it, and found no issues other than the annoying boot message. The firmware IBM uses apparently only identifies the drive as an IBM part. That's the only difference.


Great to know, thanks.

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I spoke to a Hitachi support rep several months ago over the phone about the firmware issue. They are well aware of it, and found no issues other than the annoying boot message. The firmware IBM uses apparently only identifies the drive as an IBM part. That's the only difference.


Oh, excellent. So now we know for sure that the firmware is only for tagging purposes. :D

So we can throw the "It might be for some special operational purpose" hypothesis out the window. :)

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DIGITALgimpus wrote:
I spoke to a Hitachi support rep several months ago over the phone about the firmware issue. They are well aware of it, and found no issues other than the annoying boot message. The firmware IBM uses apparently only identifies the drive as an IBM part. That's the only difference.


Oh, excellent. So now we know for sure that the firmware is only for tagging purposes. :D

So we can throw the "It might be for some special operational purpose" hypothesis out the window. :)


POST warning message 2010 after BIOS upgrade or hard drive installation - ThinkPad General

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This error is purposely generated to alert the user to potential problems with diagnostic or copy tools. There are known issues with several of these listed below.
Disk Fitness Test (DFT) version 3.xx provided by Hitachi GST which uses vendor specific commands on the hard drive. These may not be correctly interpreted since they must pass through the serial to parallel ATA bridge. However, version 4.00 or later of the Disk Fitness Test (DFT) will work.
HDDTEST version 0.28 by Hitachi GST does not function properly for similar reasons. Instead, use HDDTEST version 0.29 or later.
DOS-based copy tools may function slowly or produce incorrect output, specifically previous versions of Norton/Symantec Ghost. These versions are not compatible with the Serial-ATA interface of the Intel ICH6M chip set. Documentation on this problem may be found at www.symantec.com. It is recommended to use either a newer version of Ghost, Norton Ghost 2003 (version 2003.789 or later) or Symantec Ghost 8.0 or later, or to use the -FNI switch when invoking Ghost from the command prompt (For example, Ghost.exe -FNI with the current version of Ghost).
Other disk copy tools and related applications, such as some backup programs, may also have similar behavior.

The hard drives shipped in the affected systems will not display the message because they already have firmware that recognizes this new Serial ATA bridge chip. However, a similar drive from an earlier ThinkPad system or an OEM drive might cause the error message to be displayed. Customers may also notice the POST error message after applying a ThinkPad BIOS update if a drive without the firmware update is installed in the system. Some early systems were shipped with a system BIOS version that did not provide this POST error message. Updated BIOS has been released to provide this informative POST error message to users.

Symptoms corrected by the latest BIOS Update

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[BIOS] Version 1YET42WW (1.04)
(New) A new POST warning message when a hard drive has an old firmware.


Symptoms corrected by the latest hard drive firmware update utility (Bootable CD ISO) - ThinkPad General

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GomJabbar wrote:
Symptoms corrected by the latest BIOS Update

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[BIOS] Version 1YET42WW (1.04)
(New) A new POST warning message when a hard drive has an old firmware.


Symptoms corrected by the latest hard drive firmware update utility (Bootable CD ISO) - ThinkPad General

Yeah, hmm.. the bottom link is what I was asking about. So what does the above mean?
    1) What is the "symptom" that is corrected by the latest hardware update (the bottom link in the above quote doesn't describe any problem.. ?! .. that I can see..)
    2) Do they mean that the latest hardware update works on Hitachi OEM drives, or just on IBM sold Hitachi drives?

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Milos wrote:
    1) What is the "symptom" that is corrected by the latest hardware update (the bottom link in the above quote doesn't describe any problem.. ?! .. that I can see..)
    2) Do they mean that the latest hardware update works on Hitachi OEM drives, or just on IBM sold Hitachi drives?
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The only "symptom" I am aware of, is the allowing of the drive to recognize the Serial ATA bridge chip and the subsequent removal of the 2010 error message.

The list of drives the firmware supports is on this page:
Hard drive firmware update utility (Bootable CD ISO) - ThinkPad General

EDIT: Actually it was the right page after all. I did not see T43 listed on it at first.

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GomJabbar wrote:
The list of drives the firmware supports is on this page:
Hard drive firmware update utility (Bootable CD ISO) - ThinkPad General

EDIT: Actually it was the right page after all. I did not see T43 listed on it at first.


Yeah, that's the link I asked about in the post about 8 posts up from this one.. So my question remains, when they list "Hitachi", "HGST", "Seagate" as supported, do they mean all versions including those directly bought from Hitachi, etc., or just those versions "conditioned" and sold by IBM? If they support all drives, I don't understand why people have been making modified firmware patches (as posted in these forums, see sticky topic http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858), since it seems support for at least most of these drives isn't new in the current version (maybe for the 7k100s, etc.).

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Milos wrote:
So my question remains, when they list "Hitachi", "HGST", "Seagate" as supported, do they mean all versions including those directly bought from Hitachi, etc., or just those versions "conditioned" and sold by IBM?

I thought the link above was clear. It supports the following drives only (by model number):

Lenovo wrote:
Supported list of Hard drives
Notes:
"x" means one or more characters
* means new to this release

IBM DARA-2x
DJSA-2x
IC25NxATDA04
IC25TxATDA05
IC25NxATCS04
IC25TxATCS05
IC25NxATCS05
Hitachi DK2x7A-x
DK2x8A-x
DK2x9A-x
DK23AA-x
DK23BA-x
DK23CA-x
DK23DA-x
DK23EA-x
DK23FB-x
HGST IC25NxATMR04
HTS5480xxM9AT00
HTS7260xxM9AT00
HTS4240xxM9AT00
HTS5410xxG9AT00
HTS7210xxG9AT00
DK1xFA-x
HTC4260xxG7AT00
HTC4260xxG9AT00
HGST HTS4212xxH9AT00 *
Toshiba MKx09MAT
MKx19GAX
MKx26GAX
Toshiba MKxx32GAX *
Fujitsu MHN2xAT
MHR2xAT
MHT2xAT
MHT2xAH
Seagate ST980825A
ST910021A

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Hello everyone..

I bought a Hitachi Travelstar 5K120 disk and joined the growing group of Error2010 users :cry:
Not listed in the FW update, no solution available for me :(
Until now I was really proud of my ThinkPad, now I am ashamed of IBM for doing this and not trying to help the users :(

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GomJabbar wrote:
Milos wrote:
So my question remains, when they list "Hitachi", "HGST", "Seagate" as supported, do they mean all versions including those directly bought from Hitachi, etc., or just those versions "conditioned" and sold by IBM?

I thought the link above was clear. It supports the following drives only (by model number):

Lenovo wrote:
Supported list of Hard drives
Notes:
"x" means one or more characters
* means new to this release

IBM DARA-2x
DJSA-2x
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HGST IC25NxATMR04
HTS5480xxM9AT00
HTS7260xxM9AT00
HTS4240xxM9AT00
HTS5410xxG9AT00
HTS7210xxG9AT00
...


GomJabbar, what I meant is that at least some of the part numbers of various manufacturers above are sold both by IBM and by the original manufacturer. E.g. my wife's T41 has an IBM-sold Hitachi 5k40GB drive, HTS548040M9AT00, that came with the machine, which shows up in the supported list above. But you can get the same part # directly from Hitachi (i.e. online from Newegg, ZipZoomfly, etc.). There was some discussion in the forums that the IBM firmware updates only worked on the IBM-sold drives, i.e. checked the drive for existence of a previous IBM firmware or something, and not on other store bought versions, e.g. directly from manufacturer.

Note on the firmware update page (http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-62282) the sentence "This utility only supports IBM or Lenovo options." I was wondering if by this they're saying "only the drive versions bought from IBM/Lenovo".

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Should note that just because your drive is listed as supported, doesn't mean it is... there are different revisions of the drive as well... and putting the wrong firmware on a drive can turn it into a paper weight really quick.

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Should note that just because your drive is listed as supported, doesn't mean it is... there are different revisions of the drive as well... and putting the wrong firmware on a drive can turn it into a paper weight really quick.

The first part I could agree with. The second part I find unlikely. Firmware updates I have done in the past always check for compatibility before they execute. Do you know of someone who tried non-hacked firmware on a drive and turned it into a paperweight?

One episode that did happen to me in the past was that I updated the firmware on an optical drive for a desktop PC (it was the correct firmware). The drive basically still worked (it would read and write), but my backup program refused to run on it anymore. After doing some searching I read that firmware updates make changes in the registry that can cause problems. It turns out that after I did a fresh install of Windows later, the backup program would again work with the drive.

BTW, I have read threads in this forum where users hacked the firmware to work with their aftermarket drive, and they were successful.

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I got the impression from earlier posts to this thread that this problem only started, and perhaps ended, with the T43 and was caused by the SATA <=> PATA bridge necessary for the newer chipset to communicate with PATA drives in the primary bay. I thought that this was why T42 users weren't having this problem and that the firmware problems resulted from Lenovo's attempt to deal with glitches in the implementation of this bridge.

After my fit of pique at having bought a TP with this level of problem, I started to assume that this design where the chipset could talk to SATA drives that couldn't be physically installed probably resulted from a design cycle where Lenovo was trying to upgrade machine capabilities, but couldn't manage in time to physically redesign the primary and Ultrabay for SATA drives. Assuming they don't do this again, I am willing to cut them some slack.

Will the T60's primary bay accept both SATA and PATA drives? Has the Ultrabay Slim been redesigned to accomodate a 2nd HDD adatper that can mount either type of drive? I can't tell this from either the Maintenance and Troubleshooting Guide, nor the HMM.

Someone with more knowledge of the chipset capability than me will have to weigh in on the following information that I found in a copies of the TABOOK that I downloaded last November (T42, T43) and just now (T60).

T42 - October 04
Intel 855PM chipset / 82855PM Memory Controller Hub (MCH-M) / 82801DBM
ICH4-M I/O Controller Hub (ATA-100 EIDE, PCI bus, ethernet MAC, Low Pin Count
[LPC] interface, USB, [Bluetooth], [fi ngerprint]) / PCI bus 2.2 32-bit, 33MHz
(TI® PCI4520A CardBus controller, Mini PCI, external expansion) / LPC bus 33MHz
(security chip; PC87392 Super I/O for diskette, parallel, infrared, [docking-based ports])


T43 - August 05
Some: Mobile Intel 915GM Express Chipset / 82915GM Graphics Mem Cont Hub
Some: Mobile Intel 915PM Express Chipset / 82915PM Memory Controller Hub
All: 82801FBM ICH6-M I/O Controller Hub (SATA150, ATA-100 EIDE,
PCI Express x1, PCI bus, ethernet MAC, USB, Low Pin Count [LPC] interface,
[Bluetooth], [fi ngerprint]) / PCI bus (CardBus controller, Mini PCI, external expansion) /
LPC bus (NS PC8394T Super I/O for security chip (TPM), Asset ID, hardware event log,
parallel, infrared, [docking-based ports (serial, diskette)])


T60 - August 06
Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset / 82945GM Graphics Memory Controller Hub /
82801GBM ICH7-M I/O Controller Hub (SATA300, ATA-100 EIDE, PCI Express x1,
PCI bus, USB, LPC interface, [Bluetooth], [fi ngerprint]) / PCI bus (TI® PCI1512 CardBus
controller) / LPC bus (National Semiconductor® PC87382 Super I/O, Atmel® 97SC3203)


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Will the T60's primary bay accept both SATA and PATA drives? Has the Ultrabay Slim been redesigned to accomodate a 2nd HDD adatper that can mount either type of drive? I can't tell this from either the Maintenance and Troubleshooting Guide, nor the HMM.


Reading the T60 forums would have illucidated some more, but OK. The T60s have a compatibility mode for the primary as well as for the ultrabay. It can, apparently (and confusingly), accept both types depending on what adapter you get as both the ones for the T4X Series and the T6X Series will fit. Here is a post that would help.

This isn't actually limited to the T43 either; the R52, which shares the same planar as the T43, and the X41 are both subject to much the same error due to the SATA-PATA bridge.

Then again, I suppose they did put some amount of work and in it and looked to the future with it (SATA drive compatibility albeit with an error). Compare that to Linux which had problems overall, and still does to a small extent, with SATA, much less dealing with any SATA-PATA bridge. So I guess that is pretty much the same. In any case, the user still has to deal with problems that, really, shouldn't be there. :)

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Should note that just because your drive is listed as supported, doesn't mean it is... there are different revisions of the drive as well... and putting the wrong firmware on a drive can turn it into a paper weight really quick.

The first part I could agree with. The second part I find unlikely. Firmware updates I have done in the past always check for compatibility before they execute. Do you know of someone who tried non-hacked firmware on a drive and turned it into a paperweight?

I'm refering to hacking the firmware. That's why you can't just rely on model numbers, but need to look at the revision as well.

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I need to jump in here with a question. I just bought a 100GB, Lenovo/IBM, drive. I stuck with IBM mostly because of reading this thread. The last time I did this, years ago, the drive came with software to duplicate the existing drive to the new one. This time, I only got the drive, no duplication software. What is the best way to install the new drive? I have an adapter for the ultrabay.

Never mind. I just found the HD clone FAQ and I think I'm ready to give it a try.

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Does the Active protection system still work even with the non-supported disk drive?

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Yes it will work even with a 2010 error.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:09 pm 
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I have just updated my 60 gig hard drive to a 120gig 5400rpm Fujitsu MHV2120AH in my T43. There is no 2010 error and so far it looks like the drive is operating fine. The way I did it was I installed the blank new drive into the T43, and put my old 60 gig into a Freestore Mini USB HDD enclosure and booted Ghost 2003 from a floppy. Then I copied the contents of the 60 gig in the USB enclosure to the new 120 gig in the T43. After the copy the computer would not boot, it just displayed a cursor at the top left. So I booted into recovery mode using my XP CD and did a "fixmbr", and then it booted. So far so good! I was expecting way more problems than this.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:42 pm 
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It works! Got rid of the 2010 error!
I just installed a new Hitachi HTS721010G9AT00 100GB 7200rpm HDD (non-IBM) and it had the 2010 error.
However, I was quickly able to get rid of it by following the instructions above.

Make the HDD Firmware update CD (provided by Lenovo on the website)
Boot it up, Ctrl-C to get command prompt, then type in the following (the first time I did it in all lower case & it didn't work)

1) COPY MCZIA51A.BDR MCZOA51A.BDR
2) HFUI15 OAS1A MCZIA51A.BDR /F MPCA51AB.TBL
3) HFUI15 IA51A MCZIA51A.BDR /F MPCA51AB.TBL

(I had to enter in #2 & #3 a couple times)
I "THINK" I remember trying:
3) as HFUI15 IA51A MCZOA51A.BDR /F MPCA51AB.TBL
(I replaced the "i" in MCZIA51A.BDR with an "O as in October".)

Restarted and it still had the 2010 error, then I restarted again and it was gone, in addition, Windows did the "New Hardware Found" routine and sure enough, in "Device Manager", the drive now shows up as having Firmware MCZIA51A (which is the IBM firmware), instead of the OEM Hitachi firmware it shipped with (MCZOA51A).

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:53 pm 
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Well, I just stuck a Seagate ST910021A (100GB, 7200RPM) drive in my T43 2686-DGU (BIOS 1.25) and I got the 2010. The drive is an OEM with firmware 3.04. I tried updating with the IBM cd, but it claims that the drive doesn't need to be updated.

The drive works perfectly fine otherwise. It's very slightly warmer and noisier than the 7k60 it replaced. I reboot my laptop once a week at most, so the 2010 "error" isn't going to bother me at all.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:53 am 
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OK, since there has not been a clear post for the retail Hitachi Travelstar 7k100 HTS721080G9AT00 with firmware MC40A51A, here is what worked for me to eliminate the 2010 error in the latest IBM/Lenovo bios for my T43:

1. Download the now well known bootable hard drive firmware CD from Lenovo - I used revision fwhd44 (fwhd44.iso):
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282
2. Boot from that CD after you burned it
3. Exit to the DOS prompt.
4. Type: (changing the letter I to a letter O essentially)
Code:
copy MC4IA51A.bdr MC4OA51A.bdr

5. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe OA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

6. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
7. After you get the FAIL message, hit a key to return to the DOS prompt
8. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe IA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

9. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
10. You should get a PASS this time and be all set.

This I just did and it worked like a charm. No more error - it now thinks it is a true IBM/Lenovo part :)

Thanks to the posts by Messar and sonnycool for leading me to this.


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