Lenovo did it again, quote from Reddit discussion It's based on the regular T470, not T470s, and won't have the 4-lane eDP connector necessary for WQHD . This is total deal breaker for me and my interest has dropped from 1% to zero :twisted: Sorry Lenovo, this is just another big fail. I don't under...

Kilkenny wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:12 pm

It took them 2 years to do that?

Yes

Most companies, especially huge enterprises with thousands of employees, care about money first and the rest second. Thats why hating them or loving them is both futile: They don´t respond to emotions. But this also means that they are not generally stubborn, if they made a change that had a negati...

Well Lenovo would also have to provide support and warranty, among other things. So there are a few more things to consider that 51NB has the luxury of ignoring. Lenovo designs over 30 different motherboards every year and produce them in high volumes, there are no custom ones. It is completely dif...

This thing will likely use the system board of the T470, so they would have to re-engineer the T470 system board to put LED circuits on it which apparently would cost them too much money. Yes, but this is probably the most ridiculous reason . Lenovo is worse than a garage/crowdfunding project if th...

dr_st wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:24 am

we have limited resources, this is a high-risk project

Compared to X1C adaptive keyboard? Not at all.

dr_st wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:24 am

What would you choose?

If they built a new keyboard why the status LEDs (that were part of the keyboard on original T92 render) are missing? The cost of three LEDs is virtually zero.

No one ever praised the keyboard (at least the layout - the cardinal sin) compared to the traditional Thinkpad keyboard. The wrong lesson was learned. I guess one of other reasons was to make bigger touchpad to be close to MacBook and non-trackpoint customers. This obsession culminated by the terri...

So here again the influence of ARM and others is still very visible. There is Windows 10 on ARM around the corner. Moreover Microsoft is also moving server editions to ARM, which is not well known yet. They and other companies are trying to standardize ARM CPUs for such purpose. Basically it is tim...

pianowizard wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:59 am

You must be thinking of 4:3 12-inchers like the X60.

This is actually my preferred keyboard size over the full size in X220. If they took the "standard" 3:2 display from X1 Tablet and build regular laptop with it, I am satisfied

Ibthink wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:54 am

No. Its a new keyboard.

Why it doesn't have LED status indicators? Original render placed them into keyboard that it wouldn't require any T470 chasis modification for additional panel. Even such primitive feature wasn't implemented

Ibthink wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:53 am

What I certainly know is that the Microsoft Surface Pro is very popular and the X1 Tablet is the ThinkPad to cover this market.

Now we can hope Lenovo will try to cover Surface Laptop as well

ajkula66 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:37 am

That's pretty much where I stand as well. I'm simply allergic to having my intelligence insulted, period.

BTW I am tempted to try Huawei MateBook X

IIRC the Yoga line is half-tablet, half-laptop, so indeed it would make sense for risk-averse Lenovo to start with that. @ibmthink: What about X1 Tablet? Do you think it is that popular so it deserves to bother with "non-standard" 3:2 display component compared to what success 3:2 Retro ThinkPad co...

With a 14" 16:10 panel, a new chassis would have to be made, which raises costs immensely. I have a question for you: Would you buy a 3500 $ machine with a 14" 16:10 panel? Why $3500? Lenovo currently offer about twenty or more different devices. To design a new chasis is just a regular work, as wi...

dr_st wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:33 am

Really? For something that is really only what you described, I would expect to pay exactly the cost of a regular T470.

Exactly, it still is just a keyboard. The $100 would make sense for 3:2 display everyone, except Lenovo, can deliver if they want.

Ibthink wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:38 pm

The display-manufacturers have a strong interest in there being only one screen format, because that saves them money

Oh yes, that's why Microsoft is able to deliver 3:2 devices for a long time

dr_st wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:19 am

But I guess you already decided that the product is going to fail because of

Not yet. But I can inagine Lenovo can do all these things

Would you have also settled for <11" screen size for your dream retro Thinkpad? Why? MS Surface has 13.5" screen. Lenovo still reports its #1 PC market position. If Microsoft can, why not much bigger Lenovo? But the product is as is. I would focus on another issues Lenovo might kill it by more than...

Lenovo can do 3:2 in X1 Tablet and Huawei in Matte X laptop. The reason is cutting costs to edge. Remember the 4K terrible crap they used in P50 workstation, fortunately customers were returning it. Every gaming laptop for half price had much better screen. The lack of communication about the projec...

So you're telling us they had zero idea of what they wanted to make ? I don't think so, I still believe they wanted to make it but the Lenovo management had ruined the plan at all later. It is a question whether it would be better to cancel the project rather than introduce something like what we c...

No, it doesn´t. The response is the whole reason why they are doing anything at all. I see. What response would be required to deliver product that deserves ThinkPad Anniversary flag? That means ThinkLight, LED status indicators, non-flat display bezel and 16:10 or 3:2 display. One million responde...

The plan was to see if there was interest first before deciding anything. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-to-think/ The passion for the concept and survey participation rate continues to amaze me and others at Lenovo . On average each survey has had approximately 13,000 responden...

The T470 itself was just introduced this year. And supposedly they wanted to wait for the anniversary with the special model, which explains the additional wait-time. In the beginning the plan was to introduce special model which is clear from the linked article, not just sligthly modified regular ...

Thinkpad4by3 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:10 pm

Also note, that is a render, not a real unit.

It is render but it seems as the T470-25 does not have the classic deep black color case

Why not have the Thinkpad go along with the current gamer trend and put indivdually customizable software controlled RGB LEDs and have each light represent a certain indication. Do you remember X1 Carbon adaptive keyboard? Just another useless stuff Lenovo has spent time and resources on :( And now...

That's the point ! He's no longer a full time employee (but still does "consultancy" work for them IIRC), so maybe he could finally be honest and tell us why it went from a proper "idea-not-promise" to this ridiculous thing we're about to see. Probably not because all NDA and similar stuff are effe...

Ibthink wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:54 pm

I think that means that they used the response to the blog-post and the polls to estimate a projected sales volume.

LOL. They might have used a crystall ball instead. What did they expect, 15000 confirmed orders?

Just a reminder that David Hill no longer works at Lenovo, he is retired. Which is much more understandable now. Please remember actually bringing a retro inspired ThinkPad to market would require significant sales volumes to justify the development effort and tooling expense.[/i] How can you measu...

Just reminder how the Retro ThinkPad project started



Are two ThinkLights better than one?



Yes, and one is better than zero

So it is plausible to think that 51nb could try to talk Lenovo into licensing older designs, most importantly the keyboard. Lenovo will never allow that or they'll ask an unrealistic price. They'll rather damage the ThinkPad brand. ThinkPad as laptop is over, the last chance to ressurect it has gone.