the 8th gen civic's look really grows on you, but it depends were you looking into a coupe or sedan? if you are looking into a coupe i would go with the civic, the 8th gen civic's interior is completely different from past generations, and it is starting to grow on me. The ex trims come pretty loade...

it does have the visual appeal though

i've been waiting for the 14" w/s t60 since december when the rumors were that it was coming out at the beginning of 2007...

id love to hand my 2 month old t60p down to my brother but i need this to happen....!

lenovo really is gathering a reputation for becoming tardy!