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Does anyone know where one might purchase OS/2 Warp version 4? I do not care if it is a brick and mortar store or over the net, I am interested in getting a copy for my T22. I do have version 3, but want to also get into version 4.

Thank you!
Bob

always try eBay 1st, two OS/2 Warp Version 4 there today.

True, true. I already have seen them, was hoping for a buy it now. Hate the wait and the snipes!

Thanks
Bob

http://www.bmtmicro.com has alot of OS/2 software including the updated version called eComStation (which is like Warp 4.5).

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/swprod/ ... endocument
found this at http://www.ibm.com when using OS/2 Warp as search words.

http://www.ecomstation.com has a listing of where one can get the eCS; the updated/improved version of OS/2 Warp (eCS is based on a licenced OS/2 kernel from IBM).

Bob Collins wrote:Does anyone know where one might purchase OS/2 Warp version 4? I do not care if it is a brick and mortar store or over the net, I am interested in getting a copy for my T22. I do have version 3, but want to also get into version 4.

Thank you!
Bob

Yes Bob. You'll want to go to IBM's web site and search for the product number: D5C4NLL

That will lead you to here:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/warp ... tobuy.html

And you can signup online through PassPort Advantage and purchase the 12 month OS/2 Warp 4.X software subscription and maintenance contract or you can call them directly (1-800-426-2255), site the product number (D5C4NLL) and buy from there.

Once the transaction is done you can either (1) download over the 'Net OS/2 Warp 4.X (4.51 or 4.52, go with 4.52) or you can check the box to have a full set of CDs shipped to you. The shipping is free, done via 2-day Airborne Express and part of the maintenance contract. IBM will periodically issue new drivers, new software, and other updates, including Warp 4.X refreshes and will alert you via email. You can download any new releases.

It's pretty simple. Don't be confused if IBM thinks you are a "company" rather than an individual person. IBM sees everyone as a "company" and just give them your name and address.

That's it. Pretty easy really just seems confusing.

The OS2guy wrote:

Yes Bob. You'll want to go to IBM's web site and search for the product number: D5C4NLL
That will lead you to here:
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/warp ... tobuy.html

What it will lead you to is a costly and pricy and bothersome Software Choice program, that is not a Computer Program at all,
but a software subscription program with a repetetive fee schedule.
Expensive, bother- and cumbersome indeed. There is no way to simply buy the OS/2 product by itself any more from IBM.
They stopped selling that years ago (which [The]OS/2guy keeps ignoring).
Try Serenity's eComStation instead. They offer you the same(!) OS/2 support files you would get from SW/PA for a fraction of the price, plus a completely revamped OS/2 system and tons of 3rd party software, plus ongoing support, plus all of this for a one time only payment:
http://www.ecomstation.com, http://www.ecomstation.org, http://www.ecomstation.biz

It's pretty simple. Don't be confused if IBM thinks you are a "company" rather than an individual person. IBM sees everyone as a "company" and just give them your name and address.

Sometimes even I wonder in how far [The]OS/2guy will go in his deceipt.
IBM knows the difference between an end user and a company well enough.
After all IBM invented the end user Intel PC!
Fact is that IBM stopped selling or even supporting OS/2 to end user years ago, and [The]OS/2guy knows this, but that well known fact
would hamper him in his crusade against every other company doing OS/2 business.
His UseNet rantings are well known for this crazed line of thought: Since IBM is the one and only true cradly of the "real" OS/2, everyone else in the market commits blasphemy and since IBM keeps taking such good care of OS/2 users we really don't need anyone else anyway.
So let's just harrass all those other infidels out of the OS/2 market. That strategy is not just suicidal for the OS/2 market, it is also based on a blatant falsehood.
IBM's continued commitment to OS/2 exists only in TOG's mind which is warped indeed, but not in a /2 way.

Companies like Serenity System are OS/2's only hope for a continued future. That and an OS/2 community commited to being open minded to IBM alternatives.

Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy

Tim Martini has no, I repeat no official status in the OS/2 community or with IBM what-so-ever.
Except for being the official village id... in the OS/2 UseNet groups.

http://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/

To stop all the craziness that is beginning, I found a copy of Warp 4 and purchased it. I now own a copy and am happy.

Please take all the zealotry elsewhere.

Bill, I personally apologize for this thread due to the fact I asked the first question. I am sorry it has gotten to where it has.

Hey Bob, no need to apologize.
And I mean that. Anybody should be free to buy whatever version of OS/2 they want to and from whomever they like.
Its called "freedom of choice" and no one has a problem with that except for [The] OS/2 Guy.
Whatever his personal problems with Serenity Systems and eCS are he was never able to justify why he is getting in such a rage over other people choosing eCS or whatever.
To be honest, I should have recommended eBay as the cheapest source to get Warp4 or eCS anyway.
And fact is, buying a complete Corporate Software Subscription package for just wanting to "look in" on OS/2 would have been a bad choice under any circumstance.

Finally, if you have Warp v4.0 (rather than 4.5x) then you still need a lot(!) of fixpaks to make that one work.
They are not all available anymore from IBM (not for free anyway), but I can point you to the right direction.
There are a lot of errors in the old 4.0 kernel that need fixing in order to work on new computer hardware.

Ooops, that was me up there.
I didn't realize that this forum is open for anyone to post in w/o a log in.
Baaad idea. Should be changed to make it "members only".

I think eComStation http://www.ecomstation.com is worth a try. I bought my copy from http://www.bmtmicro.com .

I have an older Thinkpad; a 760EL. I am unable (currently) to install eCS onto it. I do have OS/2 Warp ver 4 on it. It works great. I have OS/2 Warp ver 3 on an even older Thinkpad; a 720 (? - IIRC).

Bob Collins wrote:To stop all the craziness that is beginning, I found a copy of Warp 4 and purchased it. I now own a copy and am happy.

Please take all the zealotry elsewhere.

Bill, I personally apologize for this thread due to the fact I asked the first question. I am sorry it has gotten to where it has.

As you can see, the only 'craziness' began with the eCS Investors who are desperate to con others into purchasing an older, unstable, non-IBM supported release of OS/2 which is included in the proprietary and well known problematic product called eComStation. eComStation to the OS/2 community is equal to the ire of the Linux user having to deal with Lindows zealots claiming "Lindows is the successor of Linux - everyone should switch to Lindows today!".

What these eCS guys won't tell you is that I own every version of eCS from the Preview release to today's v1.2 and in each case, the product is far inferior to IBM's superior OS/2 Warp 4.52 product. (Warp 4.53 is currently in Beta and offered only to Passport Advantage subscribers.) They will also avoid telling you that every Enterprise customer approached and courted by the maker of eCS has, after assessment, turned eCS away while IBM continues to support hundreds of thousands of OS/2 workstations throughout the world. Banco de Brazil retains some 300,000 OS/2 workstations while many German and other European banks and commercial Enterprise customers have contracts with IBM for support of OS/2 through the year 2019.

The eCS consumer has given up OS/2 for eCS and know that unless they can convince others to buy into the marketing pyramid scheme of eCS (which costs the eCS consumer far more on a yearly basis then IBM's own OS/2 Warp 4.53 subscription) their eCS investment is as dead as Lindows. IBM will not allow eCS to be sold as eCS for OS/2, eCS/2, eComStation/2 or eComStation for OS/2. The maker of eCS is strictly forbidden by contract to associate OS/2 in their marketing of eCS. eCS is a minor third party vendor's proprietary product that 'just happens' to use OS/2 as the base operating system. The maker has publicly admitted the base operating system will eventually be replaced by a 'more lucrative' OS (Windows XP) and when that happens it will force the eCS OS/2 based consumer to 'buy up' and replace everything OS/2 with the eCS-XP product.

My frustration with the maker of eCS and those who have invested in and push to sell it is their constant and never ending lies and misinformation they spam the OS/2 newsgroups with. The maker and his salesmen claimed they were selling "Warp 5" when we all know there is no such product. Today they claim to be selling the 'successor' to OS/2 when, in fact, OS/2 is still a very viable and useful product being sold by IBM themselves. I could go on and list some 70 infamous false claims made by the eCS people concerning the problematic eCS product but it would be facetious and silly. The maker of eCS loses his OS/2 OEM contract on January 1, 2006 and that will leave the eCS consumer in a very difficult position, whereas, Passport Advantage customers will continue to receive updates, drivers, fixes, enhancements, new OS/2 software and more from IBM for many years to come.

Suffice it to say, if you are want to waste your money then by all means buy into the eCS game. If you want a real OS/2 operating system, supported and sold by IBM then follow my advice and purchase a copy of Warp 4 from the many outlets and sellers offering it today, including IBM themselves (as directed above in "how to buy OS/2").

BTW, I run OS/2 Warp 4.52 on three IBM Thinkpads, a T30, T40 and a T41. I've got my eye on a T42 but quite honestly, the T30 is sufficient for my day-to-day computer needs. NONE of the eCS releases will install on any one of these Thinkpads as easily as OS/2 Warp 4.53 does (in short, it takes many hours and a lot of hand holding to get eCS to work even hap-hazardly). IBM supports OS/2 on these Thinkpads - IBM does not support eCS on these Thinkpads and turning to the IBM Help Desk with eCS installed on your Thinkpad will get you a polite but firm 'please contact the manufacturer of eCS' response.

And yes, I am the official and only OS/2 guy. Anyone else purporting to be "OS2Guy", "RealOS2Guy", "Genuine OS2Guy", etc., can be traced back to a host of eCS salesmen using false and ficticious email accounts and pretending to be me.

OS2Guy:

And yes, I am the official and only OS/2 guy.

http://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/

Timmy Martini, this is not a UseNet forum, this is a private forum of users who want to discuss OS/2 usage on Thinkpads in decency and w/o your anti-eCS hate mongering and flame wars.
I won't even bother to list all the nonsense in your above post, as even trying to talk sense with u is a waste of time.

So I'm telling you once more to stop your eCS flame wars or I'll have to take an old friend up on an offer I had turned down and make sure myself that this forum is available for bona fide OS/2 users only and stays undisturbed of "morons by proxy".
As we all know this wouldn't be the first time you get kicked out of a private OS/2 forum and most likely also not the last.
OS/2 users like eCS or they don't like it.
Either way its none of your bee's wax!!!

To Bob Collins I say, stay away from IBM coprorate service contracts ($$$!) and simply buy OS/2 on eBay.
There are offers every day of the week and I advise you to go for Warp Server for eBusiness (WSeB) or at least for Warp 4.
Another top notch choice is also eCS (http://www.ecomstation.com) from Serenity Systems.
Forget about Timmy Martini's lies in this area.
eCS has been around for years, has a very good community reputation and a large user base, plus ongoing development.
I myself use WSeB, even so I do have a valid eCS license.

Batuta wrote:OS2Guy:

And yes, I am the official and only OS/2 guy.

http://www.mr2ice.com/TMFaq/

Timmy Martini, this is not a UseNet forum, this is a private forum of users who want to discuss OS/2 usage on Thinkpads in decency and w/o your anti-eCS hate mongering and flame wars.

As far as I know there is no one with the name of "Timmy Martini" and the only person who makes such reference is the failed eCS German Distributor. Since you hide behind a false name then I must assume you are one and the same and have infiltrated this Thinkpad forum. Perhaps Bill should consider banning those who seek to misuse his forum to promote their own commercial interests under a false name.

What is important here is that those who have a desire to run OS/2 on an IBM Thinkpad be told the truth - and are not threatened with physical or personal attacks - and be allowed to make up their own minds on the operating system of their choice.

My advice to Bob is, of course, to buy OS/2 directly from IBM. It is IBM who created and owns OS/2 and the buyer will be receiving the best product possible supported by the company that actually makes it. After all, IBM makes the IBM Thinkpad he would want to install the IBM OS/2 operating system on so it would only make sense to purchase the operating system from the maker. Especially if he has questions or needs assistance which can be obtained directly from the maker, IBM.

Bob certainly has the right to purchase a used copy of an older release of OS/2 Warp from eBay or any other vendor although I would caution him to make sure to obtain the proper transfer of registration so that he is not caught running or using a pirated copy of OS/2.

Why you would make such a stink over any IBM consumer owning an IBM Thinkpad and seeking to run a real IBM OS/2 operating system on that Thinkpad is certainly alarming to all who read your tirades. This forum, as I read it, is for assisting those who want to run OS/2 on the IBM Thinkpad. Not Linux, Lindows, WindowsXP, OSX or anything else. Just good 'ol OS/2 from IBM.

OK Tim Martin or whatever you called yourself, I tried it the nice way.
You just can't leave it in peace, and in fact the very forum rulez already forbid "my operating system is better than yours" style flame wars.
Whatever happens next, don't say that you had not been put on notice.

Batuta wrote:OK Tim Martin or whatever you called yourself, I tried it the nice way.
You just can't leave it in peace, and in fact the very forum rulez already forbid "my operating system is better than yours" style flame wars.
Whatever happens next, don't say that you had not been put on notice.

How about both of you take it down a notch or take it elsewhere. Now.

i think it is time that this thread be locked down..

and i concur with nonny..
please take animosities elswhwere..
this is an OPEN forum..
but also a civil forum..