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LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#1 Post by Annecy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:38 pm

Hello Image, TP.c "Support Community" ...

TP.c's own RBS has told me that
"out there" ... in the "Support Community" ...
I might find the help I need to arrange:
1) a SATA MotherBoard-mod
and a
2) a UXGA Display Upgrade/MOD
on my 15" T43 2686-M7U with ATI ...

Hoping to hear from anyone ... "out there"
who could help me ... one way or another ...
to have the above MODS/upgrades done :bow:
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm

Objection, Your Honor!
That UXGA-link is for a LED-mod, which ONLY applies to 15" T60 and/or R60/R61.
T43/p can NOT work with such a screen.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#3 Post by Annecy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:25 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm
"Objection, Your Honor!"
Sustained :lol:
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm
"That UXGA-link is for a LED-mod, which ONLY applies to 15" T60 and/or R60/R61.
T43/p can NOT work with such a screen.
"
mea culpa ...
Link in the original post (above) corrected/redirected :oops:
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#4 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:23 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm
Objection, Your Honor!
That UXGA-link is for a LED-mod, which ONLY applies to 15" T60 and/or R60/R61.
T43/p can NOT work with such a screen.
When there is a will there is a way. Break out the SOLDERING IRON AND EAGLECAD!!! :twisted:

I don't have the first clue on how to build a LED board, go ask nitrocaster for one.
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Now stop complaining and get back to work with your "wrongly configured" box of pixels.

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#5 Post by madicetea » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:59 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:23 pm
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm
Objection, Your Honor!
That UXGA-link is for a LED-mod, which ONLY applies to 15" T60 and/or R60/R61.
T43/p can NOT work with such a screen.
When there is a will there is a way. Break out the SOLDERING IRON AND EAGLECAD!!! :twisted:

I don't have the first clue on how to build a LED board, go ask nitrocaster for one.
I just knew someone would say something like this, but I didn't expect it to be so fast!

Is the printing for your own motherboard prototype designs cost-effective in the US?
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#6 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:13 pm

No, just the inverter I think. The LED mod was made for the T60 series machines. I could probably get an inverter PCB manufactured in the US for a few dollars a board.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#7 Post by madicetea » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:20 pm

Thinkpad4by3 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:13 pm
No, just the inverter I think. The LED mod was made for the T60 series machines. I could probably get an inverter PCB manufactured in the US for a few dollars a board.
That's something I don't understand really... screens. What is the true difference between say IPS and LED? (At least I know the general difference between TN and IPS, but don't care and so far I've always been using TN screens.)
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#8 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:29 pm

IPS AND LED are talking about two different things

First, a bit of tech stuff. A LCD is made up of two parts, the panel and the backlight. It works by shining this light through the glass which has the pixels.

TN and IPS are types of the glass. IPS is known for its superior angles.

LED and CCFL are types of backlights. LEDs are about 30% more power efficient, can go to much higher brightnesses, dont wear out, mostly have better color representation, dont use unreliable(more than LED driver boards) and dangerous inverter boards, and overall are much improved.

You can shine an LED backlight through a crappy TN panel and you will get an bright, low contrast mess. You can have a crappy CCFL lamp and have a unsaturated mess with no brightness.

LED and IPS is like the best of both world, and it is pretty darn awesome!
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Now stop complaining and get back to work with your "wrongly configured" box of pixels.

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#9 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:08 am

For the T6x/R6x LED-mod just changing the inverter is not enough.
It also requires a separate 14-pin connector.
The LCD-cable pinout is also 180 degrees reversed.
The whole lot can also be solved by re-soldering ~44 points on the back of the LED-LCD. Good luck with that!

I did the (experimental) LED-mod on a T43p for George/ajkula66:
https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107018
https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=107072
But we had to give up since the brightness control only worked on the top-two levels.
Below that the backlight switched off.
And believe you me, these LED-screens are BRIGHT!

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#10 Post by wujstefan » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:24 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:00 pm
Objection, Your Honor!
That UXGA-link is for a LED-mod, which ONLY applies to 15" T60 and/or R60/R61.
T43/p can NOT work with such a screen.
This is not entireley true. My T43 w/Ati sports a LED-modded (not the supermighty ex-factory LED) UXGA IPS. I did not mess with ex-factory LED panel simply because it's super-expensive, but most possibly there is a (vaery expensive and hard to perform) way.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#11 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Annecy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:38 pm
2) a UXGA Display Upgrade/MOD on my 15" T43 2686-M7U with ATI on my 15" T43 2686-M7U with ATI

Hoping to hear from anyone "out there" who could help me one way or another to have the above MODS/upgrades done :bow:
I had a bunch of these older ThinkPads upgraded to UXGA displays before. It would be best if you can source all the parts (IPS inverter, UXGA cable, UXGA panel) as one piece.
If not, I have a grade B T43 system (with UXGA IDTech panel and backlight replaced, but with some damages like dirt and yellowing, but doesn't have IPS inverter).
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#12 Post by Annecy » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:06 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:03 pm
"If not, I have a grade B T43 system (with UXGA IDTech panel and backlight replaced, but with some damages like dirt and yellowing, but doesn't have IPS inverter)."
I'll send you a PM :beer:

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#13 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:18 pm

C'mon, download the T43 manual from the HMM link above, buy a Phillips #0 precision screwdriver and DIY.

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#14 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:42 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:18 pm
C'mon, download the T43 manual from the HMM link above, buy a Phillips #0 precision screwdriver and DIY.
Only if you can get the parts for cheap (for that UXGA screen, IPS inverter and that piece of cabling), as well as having past experience with electronic parts, otherwise I question the success rate.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#15 Post by Annecy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:16 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:18 pm
"C'mon, download the T43 manual from the HMM link above, buy a Phillips #0 precision screwdriver and DIY."
Sure ... as long as I try on your or someone else's equipment :thumbs-UP: :wink:

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#16 Post by Annecy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:44 am

So far ... not finding anyone ... to do the SATA-mod;
however, this fine/sunny Sunday morning ...
I just found out that P/ATA / IDE SSD drives do exist ...
Who knew :!: :eek: :?:

SO ...
I'm wondering if I could at least improve my T43's performance
by using a P/ATA SSD as the install HDD ...
(instead of the 5400rpm WD3200BEVE being used) :??:
I have
a SATA to P/ATA UltraBay HDD caddy ...
so I could use a 1 (or 2) tb SATA HDD for necessary file storage ...

I did "notice a difference" ...
when I switched from a 5400rpm to 7200rpm SATA HDD in my T61-14"ws ...
(I also enabled "ReadyBoost©" ... on both my T43 & T61-14"ws ...)

I suppose I would ... "notice a difference" ...
if I switched from a 5400rpm to 7200rpm P/ATA HDD in my T43 ...
SO ...
I suppose I would ... "notice (more of) a difference" ...
if I switched from a 5400rpm to P/ATA SSD HDD in my T43 ...

Any thoughts/comments :eek: :?:

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#17 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:39 am

Annecy wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:44 am

if I switched from a 5400rpm to P/ATA SSD HDD in my T43 ...

Any thoughts/comments :eek: :?: [/color][/size]
1) Conventional 2.5" IDE SSDs are mostly garbage, overpriced and easily a decade behind their SATA cousins, total waste of money IMO.

2) If you can't find anyone to perform the SATA-mod for you, stick with a 7200rpm spinner and call it a day. Count your blessings that the system in question still boots, and is not ready for landfill just yet.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#18 Post by Annecy » Sat May 19, 2018 2:41 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:18 pm
"C'mon, download the T43 manual from the HMM link above,
buy a Phillips #0 precision screwdriver and DIY.
"
I need a Precison ScrewDriver
This past week I (downloaded the HMM &)
also removed ALL the necessary screws from my T43
to remove the KeyBoard & PalmRest Bezel ...
I had to use each of the following :arrow: :
Image
to complete the above ~
which I did ...
to replace the "native" Intel mini PCI WiFicard:
Image
with that TP-Link mini PCI card:
Image
~ which I'm glad :mrgreen: I did ...


ps: I haven't been "inside" a ThinkPad ...
since Summer 2014 ~
when I was (still/regularly) performing VooDoo ...
on the HeatSink/Fan in my T30 ...
I (for various reasons) used to keep
the T30 KB attached with only one screw :roll:


I confirmed that the TP-Link was working ...
BEFORE replacing any/all of those T43 screws :idea:

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#19 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat May 19, 2018 10:43 pm

Annecy wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 2:41 pm
This past week I (downloaded the HMM &)
also removed ALL the necessary screws from my T43
to remove the KeyBoard & PalmRest Bezel ...
I had to use each of the following :arrow: :
to complete the above ~
which I did ...
to replace the "native" Intel mini PCI WiFicard:
with that TP-Link mini PCI card:
Nice step, though I do not know what advantages that TP-Link mPCI card is gonna bring over the stock one if your stock one is in a nice condition and you are using it on that laptop. (no x64)
Since I have a bunch of those 2200BG and 2915ABG cards from all kinds of lots, I have one of them on my desktop and even that is working fine for me right now, with it having enough speed to stream 1080p YouTube videos, provided that I am not switching to x64 on that Pentium 4 machine (which, there is no point to).
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#20 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun May 20, 2018 6:14 am

Annecy wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 2:41 pm
I need a Precison ScrewDriver
Don't buy such cheap Chinese junk.
It'll wear out after only a few uses.
See this instead: https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.p ... 58#p788758

And your TP-link card should do anywhere between 180 Mbps and 300 Mbps.

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#21 Post by Annecy » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:25 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 10:43 pm
"Nice step, though I do not know what advantages that TP-Link mPCI card is gonna bring
over the stock one if your stock one is in a nice condition and you are using it on that laptop. (no x64)
"
RealBlackStuff wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:14 am
"And your TP-link card should do anywhere between 180 Mbps and 300 Mbps."
See this Forum Thread/Post, svp :arrow: T60 & AC 7260 WiFi (upgrade) ...

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#22 Post by Annecy » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:26 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 6:14 am
"Don't buy such cheap Chinese junk."
Ever since I received ...
the little piece of junk ScrewDriver :arrow:
Image
that came with the UltraBay HDDcaddy for my T420s ...
dis/assembling the ThinkPads in my (growing) "fleet" :mrgreen: ...
has been a breeze :thumbs-UP: :SH!: :jhem:

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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#23 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:30 pm

How's your UXGA mod going?
Now that I figured out a way for you to save your cash on the UXGA cable, I may be able to help you.
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#24 Post by wujstefan » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:05 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:30 pm
Now that I figured out a way for you to save your cash on the UXGA cable, I may be able to help you.
Is there any freaky special way for this mod or am I just ignorant enough to use T43p UXGA tape + led-modded UXGA from T60?
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#25 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:32 pm

wujstefan wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:05 am
Is there any freaky special way for this mod or am I just ignorant enough to use T43p UXGA tape + led-modded UXGA from T60?
As far as I know of, the LED mod doesn't work all that well on T4x series.
I was talking about possibly saving the cost of a T4x UXGA cable by modding the hard wired jumpers on the cable. Practiced it on a T4x and R5x cable (both 15" XGA) and both worked (One as SXGA+ one as UXGA)
You might still wanna get the IPS brightened inverter to get that optimum screen brightness
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#26 Post by wujstefan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:59 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:32 pm
As far as I know of, the LED mod doesn't work all that well on T4x series.
Hmm... I should consider mine a non-working one then? :D
It works well with no issues with daylight LED strip and controller from Monty + Boe-Hydis UXGA from T60p + standard T43p ribbon cable.
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Re: LF: T43 "MODs": SATA/MB & UXGA/Display ...

#27 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:24 am

What you call the LED-mod is what I do, i.e. convert the HV150UX2-100 with ex-factory LED backlight, to work in the 15" T60 or R61.
The mod comprises reversing the LCD-connector on the LCD-cable and modding the inverter to accommodate LED-backlight.
More info, see here: https://www.theboardroom.info/led_mod.html

This LED-mod is known NOT to work properly in the T43/R52, see here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107018 and here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=107072

But AFAIK a regular HV150UX1-100/101 (or other UXGA), converted from CCFL with e.g. xiphmont's LED-backlight will do the trick in a T43.

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#28 Post by wujstefan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:40 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:24 am
But AFAIK a regular HV150UX1-100/101 (or other UXGA), converted from CCFL with e.g. xiphmont's LED-backlight will do the trick in a T43.
Well, a stock Led panel is unlikely to be further led-modded, right? :)
This is entirely true; speaking of LED-mod I was thinking about led-modding (no big surprise) a stock T60p CCFL UXGA IPS screen.
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