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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#151 Post by Tpad-novice » Tue May 02, 2017 10:31 pm

Finally got to it. I regret to inform this community about my experience dealing with Boba.

He was advertising to sell three (3) somewhat good batteries with three no good ones. After some discussion the payment was sent. It was short $5, my fault. I politely asked if that would be ok, but was requested the remainder for payment in full. Upon receiving all the funds, seller *realized* he can't sell good batteries. That was practically inconvenient as the whole deal has taken weeks and weeks due to seller's personal reasons and unavailability. It was also rather ethically suspicious.

Then seller offered to still sell me one (1) remaining somewhat good battery with the same three no good ones. Again, having agreed on the deal, the payment was sent. After some time I get the message saying that one of the batteries did not fit in the box. True, the package came short one battery. Again, I politely inquired when the seller was going to send the rest. To which he replied he was not going to and that I should not mind as that was *free* anyway.

So seller effectively defaulted twice on the agreed deal after receiving the funds. He seemingly genuinely didn't comprehend my displeasure on not living up to the agreement.

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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#152 Post by wujstefan » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:04 pm

Well I've never expected to put anything in here, but it is as it is...

The user wekim has bought a X62 from me, a nice and well-kept unit, asking for PayPal payment with invoice-for whatever reason.

The system has been sent 4 working days after receiving a payment. I was spammed with mails asking when the package will be sent, even though I informed the buyer directly when this will take place.

Exactly one (1) day after sending the system, this payment was blocked by him due to... not sending an item. I have provided him with the proper tracking number just the same day, and got no answer for two weeks. After those two weeks (PP money still locked) I got a response from him saying that... he has not get the item, and he wants a full refund. It's 2 weeks into sending the parcel oversea (Europe -> US), and with economic shipping.

Now I have no money. And no thinkpad. And I've sold it mostly because of financial issues...
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#153 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:08 pm

wujstefan wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:04 pm

Now I have no money. And no thinkpad. And I've sold it mostly because of financial issues...
I'm truly heartbroken to read this, having done business with you and knowing how much of a stand-up guy you are. A really, really nice human being whom I'd buy a drink any day of the week and happily discuss a variety of topics with.

There were several red flags that could've pointed to a possible scam, but it doesn't matter now. The damage has been done.

I almost got screwed out of $2700 six years ago courtesy of PreyPal, in a somewhat similar set of circumstances.

It's an expensive lesson to learn many a times, but PP will *always* take the buyer's side and even if they don't, the buyer can issue a chargeback with their credit card company and the seller is out of money and out of item. PreyPal will NOT take the hit for the seller, unless you make them, which is something that unfortunately doesn't seem doable in your case.

Which is exactly why I've been advising people for years to accept PP payments only on a "gift" basis. A request for a full-blown PayPal transaction from a brand new member with no standing on the forum would've been declined by me even at the very best of times.

Wishing you the very best of luck and keeping my fingers crossed for you.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#154 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:22 pm

Did you ship with a tracking # ?
Regardless, I would never ship anything unless I had been paid up front!
Expensive lesson to be learned here...

"Buyer" shows an IP (129.63.253.121 ) from: University of Massachusetts - Lowell (UNIVER-76)
If you have his name, I would advise you to inquire at that university!

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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#155 Post by jaspen-meyer » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:40 pm

Ralph, username canes305, agreed to buy my T420 and never paid.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#156 Post by jaspen-meyer » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:46 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:22 pm
Did you ship with a tracking # ?
Regardless, I would never ship anything unless I had been paid up front!
Expensive lesson to be learned here...

"Buyer" shows an IP (129.63.253.121 ) from: University of Massachusetts - Lowell (UNIVER-76)
If you have his name, I would advise you to inquire at that university!
International mail fraud for $750. That's serious.

Here is contact information for the FBI in near-by Boston:
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston

For what it's worth, here are common fraud schemes:
https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/co ... ud-schemes
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#157 Post by wujstefan » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:08 am

Thank you all. All your kind words really help my stretched nerves, especially given that I've got several trades and fruitful discussions with each of you.

I'm starting legal actions in a few days. Seems PayPal does not always take the buyer's side just like that, and I'm awaiting their final statement right now.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#158 Post by dr_st » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:09 am

wujstefan wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:08 am
I'm starting legal actions in a few days. Seems PayPal does not always take the buyer's side just like that, and I'm awaiting their final statement right now.
Seems to me that if you ship using any registered, trackable method (which for something as big and expensive as a laptop is almost mandatory), you can use it to your advantage. Paypal will not automatically rule against you, if you provide details of shipment. The buyer should prove that the shipment was either lost (in which case, the insurance of the carrier should take over), or that you scammed him by shipping a different item.

Good luck, and do keep us posted!
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#159 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:58 am

wujstefan wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:08 am
Seems PayPal does not always take the buyer's side just like that, and I'm awaiting their final statement right now.
Hopefully things have changed for better over the past six years. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#160 Post by wujstefan » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:39 pm

This thing cost me a lots of nerves, but we have a happy end here.

You guys are all fantastic providing me with all your kindness. The case was closed by PP staff, and the money has been released.

HOORAY!
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#161 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:26 pm

@wujstefan:

Excellent news indeed. Congratulations on turning the tide and getting the issue resolved to your satisfaction.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#162 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:29 pm

A lesson learned AND money in hand. Now thats a happy ending :) .
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#163 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:35 am

Negative feedback for eBay seller badabumm, who could also be a long-gone and never even active forum-member with the same name, has been left:
Negative feedback for eBay sellers in a new "Sticky" in the Off-Topic Stuff Forum.

Please ONLY leave comments here about Forum transactions, NOT about eBay, Amazon, Newegg, whatever!
Thank you.

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On Asking a Seller to Open a New Method of Payment, Then Abandoning the Sale

#164 Post by madicetea » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:20 pm

I finally write this. I regret to inform this community about my experience dealing with forum user Kultur on
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=128097.

STATUS:
After a lengthy private discussion in-forum and via email, Kultur has (apparently) abandoned interest in this listing, but not before he had me create an account on TransferWise.

I will no longer be accepting TransferWise, closed my account on said platform, and with no money exchanged, I am thankfully not out much more than time and life experience.

He has been placed at the bottom of the waitlist (as others have expressed interest, a few of them seriously) and future exchanges with him will be through escrow-only.

PROBLEM:
Interest was expressed in the machine, as listed. He asked to continue the conversation over email.

At first, he was willing to use PayPal and then something did not work out with either his bank, PayPal, International exchange, or all of the above.

He asked me to create a TransferWise. I then waited a few days for his payment and asked for his update when one did not arrive.

I served him a second and a third notice via email, about 24 and 60 hours after the first notice.

He seems to have abandoned all interest in the item, but not before making me open an extra account that I do not wish to use.

"
[Start of citation]
I found a site called transferwise while I was looking for a way to use my banking app to pay you, because it has a money transfer service. I have never used this site before, but it was linked within my (?) and appears to be legitimate. Would you consider this service? I attached some exchange screenshots. I think this would be pretty easy, and although it doesn't provide me with much protection it's a better exchange rate. They use PayPal as a comparison of how much better their rate is.
[End of citation]
"

2 Issues here:
- Don't suggest an extra service if you won't follow through
- Don't leave the seller high-and-dry and do so little as to not even apologise for my trouble. Quite rude.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#165 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Apart from kultur's lack of contact, this Transferwise also seems to be quite unreliable: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance ... rwise.html
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#166 Post by madicetea » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:07 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:16 pm
Apart from kultur's lack of contact, this Transferwise also seems to be quite unreliable: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance ... rwise.html
Oh, glad it didn't go through then. Thanks for this advice; last time I stray from the road most trusted.

Note of future warning for others: It's not that easy to get a TransferWise account closed. I might have to call them, my email message is going ignored even though they list privacy@transferwise.com as their official data deletion contact in their privacy policy.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#167 Post by wujstefan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:06 am

Hate to say, but this is my latest bad experience here:

The user Poklomo (another username is gaelga as it turned out) sold me a FHD-modded X230 in a nice shape. He placed it in an insured package stating that any damage to the parcel would be covered by French office.

The package came slightly damaged, and the system does not work. I have no response from him until then, and it's over a month from the last message from him now.
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Re: Negative feedbacks for traders and Tips for fair trading

#168 Post by PsychBiller » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:23 pm

I hope this is the proper way to use this negative feedback mechanism. Please advise if I should do it differently.

Beware of eBay user totaltechindustries. I sold him my beloved T40 2373-72U. He claimed that it didn't work, and eBay forced me to accept the return. I received the return today, and was shocked to discover that he returned a 2373-7CU instead. He swapped out my hard drive and cracked palm rest to hide the deception, but I can clearly see the different model number, serial number, and Windows XP sticker.

A complaint has been lodged with eBay, but I am almost certainly out the free shipping to the buyer, the return shipping, and the sale itself.

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