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Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#1 Post by trinkerin » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:25 pm

I ordered x230 and seller sent me some pictures of it. I looked at them quite quickly and not thoroughly to look for common signs of 'being dropped' like chips and cuts on the corners of laptop lid, bent ports, etc. It looks pretty good though there are little spots of faded paint on the thinkpad. After I checked the photos, I confirmed that it can be shipped out to me. But shortly after that, I looked at photos again and noticed there are scratches on the lid's surface, maybe those are left after thinkpad was dropped. They don't seem too deep.

I wouldn't buy a dropped laptop in any case, but this one is thinkpad and I read a lot of stories on the internet how many times you can do whatever you want to it and it still would work fine. So is here any problem at all? If it is, I can reject thinkpad when it arrives to me and not even pay for it and buy another one; but I really need to get a good machine to work with as soon as possible, so if I reject it and order another, I will wait about 2 weeks before I finally can do what I need to.

What do you think about it? Did you buy a scratched thinkpad? How much time did you work with it and were there any problems so far?

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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#2 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:56 pm

All my Thinkpads are scratched, and a few dropped. My X230's display housing is coming apart and it still works fine after being knocked into. I just retired a T410s, which has so much "battle damage" that if it were any other laptop it would have probably been dead, but it still works fine. I've dropped many of my machines in the past, THINKPADS ARE NOT CHEAP OLD LAPTOPS!! You drop them, they will be fine. Can't say the same for many other brands.
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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#3 Post by TPFanatic » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:30 pm

ThinkPads with the rubberized finish lid (T series, X series) will get scratched by just about anything.
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#4 Post by MikalE » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:38 pm

Pledge furniture polish spruces them up nicely. It won't obviously remove scratches, but it makes what finish is there look good.
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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#5 Post by dr_st » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:28 am

Welcome to the forum. :)
trinkerin wrote:
Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:25 pm
I looked at photos again and noticed there are scratches on the lid's surface, maybe those are left after thinkpad was dropped.
What is the connection between scratching and dropping? Dropping is the least likely thing to leave a scratch on the lid.

As you were told:
TPFanatic wrote:
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ThinkPads with the rubberized finish lid (T series, X series) will get scratched by just about anything.
If you want to look for signs of the machine maybe having been dropped, you look at broken/chipped corners, cracked plastic... Not scratches on the lid.
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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#6 Post by trinkerin » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:29 am

What is the connection between scratching and dropping? Dropping is the least likely thing to leave a scratch on the lid.
I thought there might be tiny things on the floor which can make lid scratched when it falls with the lid touching the floor, but I can't think of any.

It's off-topic, but anyway, when I asked the seller to check if computrace/intel AMT is activated, he told me there are no even such entries in BIOS. Is it ok for thinkpads not to have such BIOS options at all?

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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#7 Post by dr_st » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:06 am

trinkerin wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:29 am
I thought there might be tiny things on the floor which can make lid scratched when it falls with the lid touching the floor, but I can't think of any.
Sure, if the laptop was dropped flat on its lid, and then somebody dragged the lid on the floor before picking it up... That's not how things are normally dropped.
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when I asked the seller to check if computrace/intel AMT is activated, he told me there are no even such entries in BIOS. Is it ok for thinkpads not to have such BIOS options at all?
Some Thinkpads came with non-AMT motherboards, and they will not have the AMT option in the BIOS.

But all Thinkpads of that (and more recent) generations will have Computrace entries.

In the X230 it should be in Security --> Anti-Theft --> Computrace.

You can check in the BIOS simulator:
https://download.lenovo.com/bsco/index.html
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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#8 Post by trinkerin » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:03 am

I bought it a week ago, everything is fine. Scratches aren't deep as I thought they are and I already erased them.

I have extended battery and sometimes I want to hold thinkpad on battery bar going out from the laptop's body. But it wobbles a bit, I am afraid a little to hold the battery this way as it can drop off and the thinkpad can fall down. Does anyone hold it this way?

There is also a problem with rubberised legs: I need two of them to stick them to the extended battery because there are none. I have all 4 legs on the bottom of the laptop. Can I tear off some to stick them on the extended battery? Do I need glue or for it?

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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#9 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:20 am

The damage to really look for on ThinkPads are cracks to the corners, that suggests impact damage to those corners from a fall. With enough collision force and wear due to age, I suspect components can break off the motherboard and then you have a problem.

I bought a heavily damaged T420s with a cracked LCD and cracked corners, I replaced the LCD but the machine would turn on and off by itself. The motherboard is replaced now with a T430s MB and the case modified accordingly. But scratches to the rubber lid are nothing to worry about, that is normal and show as much as they do due to the susceptibilities of the rubberized finish to wear.

I believe the X230's rear rubber legs are the same as the rubber legs that go on the battery. IMO just buy replacement rubber feet on eBay, pull similar ones off another ThinkPad and just glue those on, or make your own, however much money or materials you're willing to spend.
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Re: Is it worth buying a scratched thinkpad?

#10 Post by dr_st » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:04 pm

trinkerin wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:03 am
I have extended battery and sometimes I want to hold thinkpad on battery bar going out from the laptop's body. But it wobbles a bit, I am afraid a little to hold the battery this way as it can drop off and the thinkpad can fall down. Does anyone hold it this way?
With all the wobbling, I still haven't heard of a single case of the laptop dropping. However, make sure that the latch marked as (1) on the left side of the battery is the in the "locked" position. This should stop (or reduce) battery wobble.
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:20 am
I believe the X230's rear rubber legs are the same as the rubber legs that go on the battery.
Unfortunately, no - they are a bit different (I just checked my X220). Also see here (from an X230 review):
http://www.notebookreview.com/picture/?f=65149
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