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2022 Thinkpads

#1 Post by amardeep » Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:40 am

Rumours and initial discussion of new 2022 Thinkpads.

What's coming out in 2022 ? Currently there's nothing in particular that I've heard of. Given the X1 Carbon G9 redesign, I guess the 2022 version will be much the same, but with updated CPUs. Hopefully there'll be something for the 30th anniversary (7-row keyboard anyone ? chances are low, I feel !), but I haven't seen any rumour of that either. It would probably end-up being an X1 with a sticker, if anything appears at all. Or am I too pessimistic ?

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#2 Post by mikemex » Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:06 am

It's Lenovo, you know. It never fails to disappoint us...
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#3 Post by bgx » Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:44 pm

on the line for a new machine in 2022 to replace my X1Yoga4 (which was graciously offered by Lenovo to replace a X1Y1 OLED).

From reddit:
New designs:

C14 Gen 1 Chromebook

L13 (Yoga) Gen 3

L14 Gen 3

L15 Gen 3

T14/P14s Gen 3

X13s Gen 1

Z13 Gen 1

Refreshes:

E14 Gen 4

E15 Gen 4

X13 Gen 3

X13 Yoga Gen 3

T14s Gen 3

X1 Carbon Gen 10

X1 Yoga Gen 7

X1 Nano Gen 2


and

New designs:

E14 Pro/E14p

T16/P16s Gen 1

P16 Gen 1

Z16 Gen 1

X1 Fold 16 Gen 1

Refreshes:

T15p/P15v Gen 3

P15/X1 Extreme Gen 5

Source: https://portal.eaeunion.org/sites/odata ... 0f96889dbc

Will probably get the X1Y7.
In terms of imporvement: 16:10 (clearly a must).
Alder Lake and Xe should also be a nice addition

... hopingthe keyboard is not another step backward.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#4 Post by fatkatsupra1 » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:15 pm

Would really appreciate a solid 2in think thonkpad... old style keyboard and enough cooling to never throttle

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#5 Post by bgx » Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:33 am

I prefer my X1Y1 and X1Y4 keyboards compared to my classic 7row X40, X60s, X200t keyboards. No discussion here, and i am typing with them all the time.

Concidering thickness: i understand where you come from, and i partly agree.
I am more for a middle ground:
i dont mind thicker if it brings good things: better keyboard, better cooling, etc.
I hate to reduce thickness by epsilon if it kills many important things (ports, keyboard travel...).

However, I also believe it s overall more optimal (for me) to have 2 machines: a strong desktop (to play, compute...) and a light laptop (to type, watch, carry everyday).

Hence I dont feel the magic behind a brick.

On the other hand, i still hate the aspect ratio of 16:9 anytime i start word or excel and i see the ribbon eat half of the screen (and yes my start menu is on the side already- it had been already in 4:3 years). But we are finally seeing good 16:10 screen again (3:2 comes with the stupid no port super thin design - no thank you).

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#6 Post by axur-delmeria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:17 pm

fatkatsupra1 wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:15 pm
Would really appreciate a solid 2in think thonkpad...
Having lugged around a 760XD, no thank you. :|
fatkatsupra1 wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:15 pm
old style keyboard and enough cooling to never throttle
This part I can agree with. :D
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#7 Post by mikemex » Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:33 pm

fatkatsupra1 wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:15 pm
Would really appreciate a solid 2in think thonkpad... old style keyboard and enough cooling to never throttle
Maybe not 50mm thick but we surely need a (RISC V) GNU ThickPad.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#8 Post by amardeep » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:57 pm

What are the X13s Gen 1 (I suppose I can guess, and that would be something that fits into the practically non-existant gap between X13 and X1 Nano) and the Z13 Gen 1 ? How many practically identical, but distinct models can Lenovo sell ? Is there any point to the "s" models now that there are X1 models and the regular "non-s" models are so slim these days ? Can I be bothered to work out my fantasy Lenovo model line-up, where I see if I can remove ~70% of the models ? Will I include an "X1 Classic" ? Am I going to give up and just buy a bloody Mac for my next laptop ?

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#9 Post by Puppy » Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:03 pm

Lenovo ThinkPad Z16

Another level of crippled keyboard layout, half-sized cursor up/down keys :roll: I no longer watch the Lenovo laptops, maybe it is standard layout now, still terrible.
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#10 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:07 pm

The return of the clunkpad!
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#11 Post by dr_st » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:28 am

Puppy wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:03 pm
Another level of crippled keyboard layout, half-sized cursor up/down keys :roll:
But now the keyboard is perfectly rectangular! This is so much better! I swear that some "designers" really have some obsession that everything must be perfectly square to fit their square brains, and functionality be damned. :screwy:
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#12 Post by amardeep » Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:08 pm

From a little info piece on the Z-series (from xda-developers.com
The keyboard itself has 1.35mm keys, the same as can be found on the ThinkPad X1 Nano and ThinkPad X1 Titanium Yoga. It’s another thing about this device that feels modern, compared to the 1.5mm keys on the ThinkPad X1 Carbon or even the 1.8mm keys on some other ThinkPads. The shorter key throw feels good, but it also feels natural because Lenovo put a lot of work into making sure that it took the same amount of force to press a key.

It’s one of my favorite keyboards. I do hope that the team brings it to the entire lineup at some point.
So, uh, I guess we're the outliers. By the way, the camera "reverse notch" (as it's being called), is integrated into the lid in a hideous way to my eyes. I think the Z-series is not for me !

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#13 Post by jdk » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:35 pm

Not really thrilled about this lineup. The return of the clunkpad and eyestrain inducing OLED panels.

The Z-series could have been great if they just included buttons for the trackpoint. I'm not opposed to change, but this Z-series reminds me of the Mercury Marauder in how it's being marketed. A for effort, B- for execution.

The AMD lineup gets a Microsoft backdoor. Shame.

Looks like the absolute peak for my needs was the Gen2 AMD X13. I'll get one in a few years as my portable device, 2560x1600 with true 2x scaling.

I guess the future is more cores. 14 cores on the Nano, did I read that right? Amazing.

My 24 core system76 laptop is still great. It could use a 4k panel but I'm in no hurry.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#14 Post by mikemex » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:56 am

According to this article (japanese) there is going to be a 30th Anniversary model.

It's unlikely to be anything but a rehash of the T25; this is, a regular T series with a classic keyboard. This is cheap for Lenovo (small budget) and probably enough to please the nostalgic folks.

(Found it on Reddit)

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#15 Post by dr_st » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:28 pm

mikemex wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:56 am
According to this article (japanese) there is going to be a 30th Anniversary model.

It's unlikely to be anything but a rehash of the T25; this is, a regular T series with a classic keyboard. This is cheap for Lenovo (small budget) and probably enough to please the nostalgic folks.
Oh, the above would definitely be enough to please me, but I have not seen anything in the article (which I ran through Google Translate) to suggest they are actually planning such a model.
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