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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#31 Post by zemlin » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:43 pm

I'm keeping my eye out for what's coming next in the mobile workstation line. Currently I drive a P52 P3200 4K 64GB with 3x 2TB SSDs. It seems that the i9 12th gen might be a worthwhile upgrade and I do a fair bit of GPU-intensive stuff. I'd rather have something that packs a punch than thin and light, unless it can do both. P15 Gen3? I've seen the announcement for the X1 extreme Gen 6, but it seems it only support two drives. 8TB would work, but I'd prefer to move some of my current SSDs into a new machine than have to buy all new - so hopefully they stick with the same form factor.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#32 Post by mikemex » Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:59 pm

zemlin wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:43 pm
I'm keeping my eye out for what's coming next in the mobile workstation line. Currently I drive a P52 P3200 4K 64GB with 3x 2TB SSDs. It seems that the i9 12th gen might be a worthwhile upgrade and I do a fair bit of GPU-intensive stuff. I'd rather have something that packs a punch than thin and light, unless it can do both. P15 Gen3? I've seen the announcement for the X1 extreme Gen 6, but it seems it only support two drives. 8TB would work, but I'd prefer to move some of my current SSDs into a new machine than have to buy all new - so hopefully they stick with the same form factor.
Why not a Desktop PC? I realized long time ago that, if high performance or copious amounts of storage are a concern, then a laptop is a poor choice.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#33 Post by mikemex » Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:01 pm

axur-delmeria wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:49 pm
You probably meant M.2
Yeah, but I think it's redundant at this point. Are you aware of any Thinkpad model that still ships with 2.5" drives?

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#34 Post by zemlin » Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:17 pm

mikemex wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:59 pm
Why not a Desktop PC? I realized long time ago that, if high performance or copious amounts of storage are a concern, then a laptop is a poor choice.
Because I don't work in one place. I had a desktop and a laptop for a long time, but it was a constant battle keeping software preferences and data files in sync between them. Life is better when I'm just dealing with one machine. When I'm at home I dock this to my desktop peripherals and displays. I have zero desire to go back to a desktop.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#35 Post by TPFanatic » Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:53 pm

I like the look of the latest gen P1, 16" 16:10 WQXGA and 4K options and centered keyboard.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#36 Post by Ibthink » Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:14 am

zemlin wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:43 pm
I'd rather have something that packs a punch than thin and light, unless it can do both. P15 Gen3? I've seen the announcement for the X1 extreme Gen 6, but it seems it only support two drives. 8TB would work, but I'd prefer to move some of my current SSDs into a new machine than have to buy all new - so hopefully they stick with the same form factor.
I think you mean X1 Extreme Gen 5, not Gen 6.

There is not gonna be a P15 Gen 3. Lenovo is changing the workstation line, instead of continuing with P15 and P17, they will release a ThinkPad P16 to replace them both. This one will use 16 inch 16:10 screens.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#37 Post by zemlin » Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:27 am

Ibthink wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:14 am
I think you mean X1 Extreme Gen 5, not Gen 6.
Correct - I got that wrong.
There is not gonna be a P15 Gen 3. Lenovo is changing the workstation line, instead of continuing with P15 and P17, they will release a ThinkPad P16 to replace them both. This one will use 16 inch 16:10 screens.
16:10 would not break my heart. The P52 is a tight fit in my laptop bag ... hope I can manage to get a P16 in there.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#38 Post by zemlin » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:25 am

In the mobile workstation department it seems the new X1 Extreme is going to fit my requirements better than the P16. P16 only houses a single SSD and the X1 will support two 4TB drives. The lack of a keypad on the keyboard on the X1 is most unfortunate though. May have to sit tight for a while. The P52 still serves me pretty well.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#39 Post by Ibthink » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:21 pm

zemlin wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:25 am
In the mobile workstation department it seems the new X1 Extreme is going to fit my requirements better than the P16. P16 only houses a single SSD and the X1 will support two 4TB drives. The lack of a keypad on the keyboard on the X1 is most unfortunate though. May have to sit tight for a while. The P52 still serves me pretty well.
The P16 is not announced yet. You are probably confusing it with the P16s, which is a renamed ThinkPad T16 with an ISV certified GPU.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#40 Post by zemlin » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:39 pm

Ibthink wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:21 pm
The P16 is not announced yet. You are probably confusing it with the P16s, which is a renamed ThinkPad T16 with an ISV certified GPU.
This is where I saw the info: https://architosh.com/2022/02/lenovo-in ... 4-and-p16/
Don't know that it's accurate though.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#41 Post by Ibthink » Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:41 pm

zemlin wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:39 pm
This is where I saw the info: https://architosh.com/2022/02/lenovo-in ... 4-and-p16/
Don't know that it's accurate though.
It is not accurate, this site misnames P14s and P16s as P14 and P16.

You can find the specifications of the P14s and P16s here: https://thinkstation-specs.com/

Again, P16, the non-s full-fat version and successor of the P15, is not yet announced.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#42 Post by TheForgottenKing » Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:55 pm

It's almost certain that the new X1E5 will have two m.2 2280 slots as this is the only standard to support 2x4TB=8TB total. 2280+2242 won't do it.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#43 Post by amardeep » Sat May 07, 2022 7:12 am

Has anyone seen any rumours at all since the ones months ago about a 30th Anniversary Thinkpad ? I haven't seen anything.

Everytime I get my T410s out for brief use I miss having that keyboard (7-row, "old" style Thinkpad keyboard). I don't know what the "new" style Thinkpad keyboards are like as I've never had one, but I do know the T410s is miles ahead of MacBook Pros that I use for work. The latest Mac keyboard seems to have less key wobble than some previous ones, the feel is a bit nicer, but the it's still way off the old Thinkpad ones. I think the absurdly short travel is to blame - they won't make the laptop all of 1mm thicker to improve this it seems, or maybe people really prefer these short-travel keyboards, but not me. Perhaps key-shaping also plays a part, current keyboards seem to have very flat keys, I'm not sure if this plays a role as well.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#44 Post by amardeep » Tue May 17, 2022 5:32 pm

Slightly curious looking Thinkpad P16.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#45 Post by zemlin » Sat May 28, 2022 8:38 am

amardeep wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:32 pm
Slightly curious looking Thinkpad P16.
A lot to like. Not sure if the 'styling' is an improvement, but I don't get too hung up on looks. The rounded base could be easier sliding in and out of a bag, but the legs could do exactly the opposite - snag points. The legs will certainly improve airflow though. I support my P52 on a ruler when docked for the same purpose. I like the exhaust out the back.

A little disappointed that they removed a USB-A connector. I have two wireless dongles (mouse and Wacom tablet) which leaves one open on my P52. I'll have to upgrade my Wacom tablet to bluetooth I guess.

Just need to study the GPU options to see what level will provide the most bang for the buck. Not doing any heavy texture mapping/ray-tracing stuff. 3D CAD, photoshop, lightroom, and very limited gaming, and some video editing. My P52 has the Quadro P3200. Some of the photo processing plugs I use are GPU heavy, so those would benefit from a faster GPU. Will just have to see where the price tags land for those. Don't know if RTX features will come into play with my CAD graphics (PTC Creo) - not necessary for what I do, but could be fun to play with.

Don't think I'll opt for the OLED screen. I've been photo editing on IPS displays for a long time. I'm concerned that the increased contrast of OLED would be too much of a departure from the look of a paper print to be beneficial.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#46 Post by jdk » Sat May 28, 2022 1:32 pm

I think it's a *MAJOR* improvement. At least at this point, your laptop won't look like you use it while eating fried chicken anymore.

I'll eventually upgrade but my P71 is rolling along fine right now.

Glad there is a high brightness, HiDPI display option besides OLED. Can't pay that much to deal the pwm or the oversaturated colors.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#47 Post by dr_st » Sat May 28, 2022 3:57 pm

dr_st wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:28 pm
mikemex wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:56 am
According to this article (japanese) there is going to be a 30th Anniversary model.

It's unlikely to be anything but a rehash of the T25; this is, a regular T series with a classic keyboard. This is cheap for Lenovo (small budget) and probably enough to please the nostalgic folks.
Oh, the above would definitely be enough to please me, but I have not seen anything in the article (which I ran through Google Translate) to suggest they are actually planning such a model.
Well, no sh!t.

I wonder if this is real:
https://inf.news/en/digital/5989f2df671 ... f2038.html
Looks a tad too bizarre to be true. :?
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#48 Post by mikemex » Sat May 28, 2022 8:02 pm

It's fake. Or, rather, it's the work of some dude on Reddit to see how a classic layout would look in a modern machine.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#49 Post by zemlin » Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:50 am

P16 is live on the Lenovo site, but no option for custom configurations - delivery 3 months+.
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#50 Post by benlimanto » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:10 am

amardeep wrote:
Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:16 am
I haven't looked around here in a while, and also idly clicked on notebookcheck's website, and found that this random browse coincided with a bunch of Thinkpad news today.
  • T14, T16 (16:10 screens, 1.5mm key travel down from 1.8mm)
  • T14s (16:10, OLED option)
By the way, the T14, T14s and P14s are practically identical in size. No sign of a T30th yet.

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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#51 Post by benlimanto » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:13 am

zemlin wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:17 pm
mikemex wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:59 pm
Why not a Desktop PC? I realized long time ago that, if high performance or copious amounts of storage are a concern, then a laptop is a poor choice.
Because I don't work in one place. I had a desktop and a laptop for a long time, but it was a constant battle keeping software preferences and data files in sync between them. Life is better when I'm just dealing with one machine. When I'm at home I dock this to my desktop peripherals and displays. I have zero desire to go back to a desktop.
I just clone both machine, and have same software, sync via OneDrive with O365. It's a such wow for me... I really cherish it.. and love it!

I can bring my X220 anywhere I want, and use ASUS A43SV at home.. as desktop with external keyboard and screen ofc.. X220, it a gem for travel!
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#52 Post by mikemex » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:45 am

benlimanto wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:13 am
I can bring my X220 anywhere I want, and use ASUS A43SV at home.. as desktop with external keyboard and screen ofc.. X220, it a gem for travel!
I'm sorry to burst your enthusiasm, but the X220 can't run DDR3L at 1.35v (it runs at 1.5v and hot), and running one 8GB DIMM and one 4GB means asymmetrical dual channel, so less performance. RAM is so cheap at this point that I'd replace it with 2x8GB standard DDR3 if I were you.

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X1C5: 7600U | 16GB | 1TB PC711 | FHD
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Re: 2022 Thinkpads

#53 Post by zemlin » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:54 am

benlimanto wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:13 am
I just clone both machine, and have same software, sync via OneDrive with O365.
I can come home from a weekend of photography at an Indycar race with 1TB or more of new data on the drive than I left with. Waiting for that to sync through a cloud connection would be no fun. Plus my mobile work is no less power-hungry that what I do in the office. I wouldn't be able to manage with an under-sized, under-powered, pansy of a machine when on the road.
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