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X220 Next Release

#1 Post by RobertA » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:45 pm

I've heard the X220 will be soon replaced with an updated version. Anyone know the details and the possible specs? Thanks.

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#2 Post by ZaZ » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:14 pm

The next X220, the X230, will be released when Intel releases it's next round of CPUs, Ivy Bridge, but it's a bit up in the air as to when that'll be. Ivy Bridge has already been delayed. Your guess is as good as mine as to the when. Plus typically Lenovo likes to release the big boys, the T and W, before getting around to the X series a few months later. It might be this summer or later before you can actually get one.

If you need a notebook, the X220 may be worth considering. Ivy Bridge will offer a modest performance bump, but that's only if you need top performance, which most users do not. You'll also get a bit more battery life, but the X220 already does very well in this regard. The X230 will also get USB 3.0, which Intel finally integrated into the chipset, but an ExpressCard USB 3.0 card is available for the X220 on eBay for $20 or less and sits flush with the side of the X220.
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#3 Post by jdrou » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:09 pm

ZaZ wrote: The X230 will also get USB 3.0, which Intel finally integrated into the chipset, but an ExpressCard USB 3.0 card is available for the X220 on eBay for $20 or less and sits flush with the side of the X220.
And if you get the top model with i7 CPU on the X220 you also get USB 3.0 built in (although not part of the Intel chipset).
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#4 Post by Summilux » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:02 pm

I think that at this point, it's better to wait for the X230 unless one faces an urgent need to get a laptop.
The X220 is very capable but suffers from shortcomings that will soon be addressed:
ZaZ wrote:[...] Ivy Bridge will offer a modest performance bump
Not in the graphics department, where there'll be major improvements over Sandy Bridge (although overall gfx performance still won't be on par with desktop counterparts).
ZaZ wrote:You'll also get a bit more battery life, but the X220 already does very well in this regard.
More than a bit, hopefully. But indeed, the X220 is already a good performer, esp. when coupled with the slice battery.
ZaZ wrote:an ExpressCard USB 3.0 card is available for the X220 on eBay for $20 or less and sits flush with the side of the X220.
Unfortunately, reviews show that external adapters aren't as fast as embedded chips; it's more of an USB 2.5 with regards to performance.
jdrou wrote:And if you get the top model with i7 CPU on the X220 you also get USB 3.0 built in (although not part of the Intel chipset).
There's only one USB 3.0 port, though.
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#5 Post by bill bolton » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:22 pm

Summilux wrote:I think that at this point, it's better to wait for the X230
Guessing on the spcs of an unannounced system is never a great idea :idea:

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#6 Post by ZaZ » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:10 am

Summilux wrote:Not in the graphics department, where there'll be major improvements over Sandy Bridge (although overall gfx performance still won't be on par with desktop counterparts).
They always say that, but it's still an integrated GPU. Based on past experience, new CPUs and GPUs offer a bit better performance and battery life, but nothing worth getting excited about, at least in my experience. I think Bill is right though. It's all speculation right now.
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#7 Post by Summilux » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:26 pm

bill bolton wrote: Guessing on the spcs of an unannounced system is never a great idea :idea:

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ZaZ wrote: They always say that, but it's still an integrated GPU. Based on past experience, new CPUs and GPUs offer a bit better performance and battery life, but nothing worth getting excited about, at least in my experience. I think Bill is right though. It's all speculation right now.
Unless Lenovo goes for an ARM-based architecture, we actually know most of its specs. Ivy Bridge platforms have already been tested.

The only truly unknown variables are, IMHO:
- IPS screens
- Chicklets keyboard

It's fair to assume the X230 will sport an IPS screen as well, since it was vastly appreciated by X220 owners - and the market is favourable (pushed by Apple).
Regarding the keyboard, it's less sure, but Lenovo may not migrate to chicklets yet. They may wait one or two more T/X generations before changing (I'd rather say downgrading) the layout, as Thinkpad customers clinging on their cherished regular, 7 row layout.
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#8 Post by bill bolton » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:39 pm

Summilux wrote: we actually know most of its specs.
That's just basic platform specs, which are only a small part in terms of the overall orchestration of system components and parameters (etc) that makes up a differentiated commercial laptop product offering :roll:

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#9 Post by Summilux » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:40 pm

bill bolton wrote: That's just basic platform specs, which are only a small part in terms of the overall orchestration of system components and parameters (etc) that makes up a differentiated commercial laptop product offering :roll:

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BIOS, firmware, drivers, OS, SSD and other internal components, layout... they sure make a difference. But it's nitpicking to me.

In this case what I personally need to know is how the novel platform generally compares to older one, because I doubt there'd be a 50% difference between two equivalent computers utilising the same platform (and compared few months after the initial release of said platform, we know how first drivers can be screwed up at times).
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#10 Post by bill bolton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:03 pm

Summilux wrote:But it's nitpicking to me.

.....I doubt there'd be a 50% difference between two equivalent computers utilising the same platform
Nitpicking? :lol:

Varience of as little as 10% overall between equivalent computers can have an enormous impact on the user experience with each computer :idea:

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Re: X220 Next Release

#11 Post by Summilux » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:31 am

I'll be bumping this topic when reviews comparing the X230 to similar models are out, then :wink:
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