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Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#1 Post by Whitieiii » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:59 am

has anybody used Nvidia Graphics on a Thinkpad for video editing? is there any performance benefit? I may want to pick one up also so that I may improve editing videos... I use a 4th Gen dual core i7 with 16 gb of ram and intel graphics for my video editing right now and takes me over 2 hours to render videos in 720p I never really thought of discrete graphics....

if discrete graphics really makes a difference I will pick one up
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#2 Post by axur-delmeria » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:33 am

Perhaps a quad core i7 would suit your needs better, like a W520 or newer?
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#3 Post by Whitieiii » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:51 am

axur-delmeria wrote:Perhaps a quad core i7 would suit your needs better, like a W520 or newer?
the computer I currently use for video editing isn't a thinkpad but it is a laptop and was built in 2015... one year after the Haswell was introduced...when I bought it the newest CPU for that machine was already 2 years old.... the 13" model that I have doesn't offer a quad core where as if I went with the 15" model I would have got a quad core i7 with the same 16 GB of ram and maybe even a very low end AMD graphics card (yuk AMD!)

I'd love to have maybe a 14" Thinkpad with a quad core CPU and dedicated Nvidia Graphics but I don't think any computer like that exists.... even non-Thinkpads! but I haven't done any looking around
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#4 Post by Saucey » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:46 am

Sony Vegas does benefit with nVidia's CUDA cores, though I can't really find much of a real benchmark for it. (other than people saying its better to get one)
I think it took 25 minutes for me to render a 10+ minute video on a T440p w/ intel gfx.
I didn't have much special effects, fade in and out on different clips and some text on the video.
But I was comparing it to my W700ds, which was behind due to the Core 2 quad processor...

Quad i7 W520 would be nice, but see if you can nab a W530 too.
Some people have problems with CUDA actually working on Vegas, so that might be your next issue when tackling it. :x
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:50 am

Why are you so secretive about your video-laptop?
We won't kill you if "isn't a thinkpad but it is a laptop and was built in 2015" points to a FRUIT. :roll:
It would also help us if we know what you have now, so we can give better advice.

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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#6 Post by Whitieiii » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:51 am

Ya with my current computer i rendered a 30 minute video in over an hour
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#7 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:18 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:Why are you so secretive about your video-laptop?
We won't kill you if "isn't a thinkpad but it is a laptop and was built in 2015" points to a FRUIT. :roll:
It would also help us if we know what you have now, so we can give better advice.
well this being a thinkpad forum I thought other computers aren't really allowed to be talked about... lol

I currently do my Video Editing on a maxed out 3.1Ghz dual core i7 2015 MacBook Pro 13" with 16 GB of ram with no dedicated graphics and 512 GB PCI-E (or saudered) SSD but it takes too long to render videos! I may start down converting to 480p since I only have 1 mbps upload (more like 0.65 mbps up on a good day) here from my ISP and uploading a large 720P video to YouTube takes over 24 hours even with a thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter... the wifi at our local starbucks sucks also... I guess internet isn't good here and I would have to drive over an hour south for better speeds

like I said before, I really would love to have a 14" or smaller laptop (preferably a Lenovo) with quad core cpu and dedicated graphics for editing and uploading videos... I don't think anybody has made one but I haven't looked online yet...
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#8 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:20 pm

Whitieiii wrote:
like I said before, I really would love to have a 14" or smaller laptop (preferably a Lenovo) with quad core cpu and dedicated graphics for editing and uploading videos... I don't think anybody has made one but I haven't looked online yet...
What you're looking for doesn't exist in a 14" format, and I would highly question whether it does in 15".

TBT, both MacBook and ThinkPad are very poor choices for serious graphics work, for a slew of reasons.

People who do this type of thing for a living rely on desktops, and if they *absolutely must* have a laptop it's usually a Dell or HP in 17" format, with a hi-end LCD and tons of graphics power. These don't come cheap and are no fun to lug around....
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#9 Post by brchan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:30 pm

I recommend dedicating serious video editing for a fast desktop you can build yourself. Much better performance at a fraction of the cost of a new laptop. Pop in a USB thinkpad keyboard, or better yet, a model M, and you are good to go!
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#10 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:33 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Whitieiii wrote:
like I said before, I really would love to have a 14" or smaller laptop (preferably a Lenovo) with quad core cpu and dedicated graphics for editing and uploading videos... I don't think anybody has made one but I haven't looked online yet...
What you're looking for doesn't exist in a 14" format, and I would highly question whether it does in 15".

TBT, both MacBook and ThinkPad are very poor choices for serious graphics work, for a slew of reasons.

People who do this type of thing for a living rely on desktops, and if they *absolutely must* have a laptop it's usually a Dell or HP in 17" format, with a hi-end LCD and tons of graphics power. These don't come cheap and are no fun to lug around....
won't be doing any graphics work... just some video editing like joining clips, cutting/splitting, adding titles, inserting background sounds/music and such... I can do all of those on my mac, the problem is rendering/exporting videos is a nightmare with only cpu power and a dual core to make matters worse... something like an alianwear 13 might be what I need but at over $2500 does it have to be that fast? I can live with a little older hardware as long as I don't wait over 24 hours to export like I do now
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#11 Post by brchan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:39 pm

If your laptop has a thunderbolt 3 port, then you can buy and use an external desktop GPU. However, it is a bit costly. You will need the card, adapter, PSU, and case.
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#12 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:40 pm

brchan wrote:I recommend dedicating serious video editing for a fast desktop you can build yourself. Much better performance at a fraction of the cost of a new laptop. Pop in a USB thinkpad keyboard, or better yet, a model M, and you are good to go!
need to be able to edit on the go is the big thing plus if I didn't need portability, I don't have any room for a desktop... I still don't have any room for the piano I just bought! I could use the piano for video editing as it has a quad core CPU on it's custom built computer but it doesn't have any PCI-E slots on the motherbord... still back to square one
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#13 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:41 pm

Whitieiii wrote: won't be doing any graphics work... just some video editing like joining clips, cutting/splitting, adding titles, inserting background sounds/music and such... I can do all of those on my mac, the problem is rendering/exporting videos is a Overused word with only cpu power and a dual core to make matters worse...
You *can* do it on a Mac, but you're obviously not happy with the results. Which pretty much proves my point.
something like an alianwear 13 might be what I need but at over $2500 does it have to be that fast? I can live with a little older hardware as long as I don't wait over 24 hours to export like I do now
If you're actually making money on any of this, you'd be well-advised to treat laptop as a tool, and get the one that would the job in the least amount of time. The very same applies to your Internet connection. If not...then it becomes a matter of whether you have more funds, or more time/patience to burn on the given project.
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#14 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:43 pm

Time to switch ISP.

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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#15 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:45 pm

brchan wrote:If your laptop has a thunderbolt 3 port, then you can buy and use an external desktop GPU. However, it is a bit costly. You will need the card, adapter, PSU, and case.
no only have thunderbolt 2 plus I can't take that with me on the go... too bulky, too heavy and just want to do some editing like when I have 30 min to spare like on the boat ride or maybe at a starbucks (ok not really but in places an eGPU wouldn't be practical)
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#16 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:46 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Time to switch ISP.
only other option would be mobile data and that's not cheap at all!
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#17 Post by Whitieiii » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:52 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Whitieiii wrote: won't be doing any graphics work... just some video editing like joining clips, cutting/splitting, adding titles, inserting background sounds/music and such... I can do all of those on my mac, the problem is rendering/exporting videos with only cpu power and a dual core to make matters worse...
You *can* do it on a Mac, but you're obviously not happy with the results. Which pretty much proves my point.
something like an alianwear 13 might be what I need but at over $2500 does it have to be that fast? I can live with a little older hardware as long as I don't wait over 24 hours to export like I do now
If you're actually making money on any of this, you'd be well-advised to treat laptop as a tool, and get the one that would the job in the least amount of time. The very same applies to your Internet connection. If not...then it becomes a matter of whether you have more funds, or more time/patience to burn on the given project.
not making money on videos yet.... why do I want to wait over 24 hours to export videos? my only other option to get internet that is faster than 10 down one up is mobile data and that would cost at least $300/month
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#18 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:57 pm

Look at Thinkpad 13 or X260, or check out the competition (Dell or Asus comes to mind)
and like I already said: switch ISP.

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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#19 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:35 pm

Whitieiii wrote: my only other option to get internet that is faster than 10 down one up is mobile data and that would cost at least $300/month
Hmmm...what type of broadband are you currently utilizing? Cable? DSL? Sat?
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#20 Post by excal32 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:04 pm

I just got a hp z420 workstation with a quadro k2000 for under 300 shipped. thing is a video editing beast...
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#21 Post by Whitieiii » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:08 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Whitieiii wrote: my only other option to get internet that is faster than 10 down one up is mobile data and that would cost at least $300/month
Hmmm...what type of broadband are you currently utilizing? Cable? DSL? Sat?
DSL.... no cable here
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#22 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:42 am

Whitieiii wrote: DSL.... no cable here
No CATV provider? That's pretty amazing in A.D. 2017...anyway...

10/1 is telling me that you're not *that* far from the central office. Check with your LEC if they offer a bonded circuit, that would double your upload speeds.
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Re: Nvidia Graphics and video editing

#23 Post by farmall77 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:25 pm

Thinkstation S20's and D20's are seriously cheap now, support pretty much any video card and can use a ton of ram. S30's and D30's are getting cheaper everyday.

Having run After Effects and Premiere on my i7 T520, I will take the S20 every time. I think there is just a right tool for every job.
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