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Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#1 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:14 am

Coreboot & Co just got another job!
The Lenovo A275 is coming next, a Thinkpad X270 lookalike with AMD CPU and AMD GPU.
And AMD DASH, which can spy on you the same way as IME (Intel Management Engine) does.
A275 wrote:Your IT administrators can easily access laptops, whether they are powered on with a responsive operating system, are powered off, or have a non-responsive / out-of-service OS. With DASH, IT can easily perform remote diagnostics and troubleshooting, asset management, and automated system startup and shut down.

And Lenovo keeps on lying as well:
Lenovo wrote:We’ve shipped more than 100-million ThinkPads, all with our award-winning, ergonomic, highly accurate keyboard. The ThinkPad A275 delivers that same legendary interaction that IT administrators and end-users alike have come to love and expect from ThinkPad—all day, every day.
Where does one go from here?

See for yourself: http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/th ... 275_Laptop

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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#2 Post by Puppy » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:21 am

AMD DASH can't spy on you itself (unlike Google, Facebook etc.) but there are security issues for sure that makes the system vulnerable :(
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#3 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:39 am

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#4 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:24 am

What are they going to call the 14" AMD E-series?
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#5 Post by Ibthink » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:44 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:24 am
What are they going to call the 14" AMD E-series?
ThinkPad E475? I mean, what else?

The new A-Series is not based on the E-Series, its based on the X270 (A275) and T470 (A475).
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#6 Post by TPFanatic » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:49 am

Why not call them X275 and T475?
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#7 Post by Ibthink » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:38 am

TPFanatic wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:49 am
Why not call them X275 and T475?
My guess is that they want to make the distinction between AMD and Intel models more obvious.
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#8 Post by Summilux » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:38 pm

Ryzen is exciting for its perf/price ratio, so I'd gladly get an X275.

Except it'll certainly come with the usual crappy keyboard, so that's yet another Thinkpad that I won't be able to buy :roll:
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#9 Post by Dekks » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:39 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:14 am
Coreboot & Co just got another job!
The Lenovo A275 is coming next, a Thinkpad X270 lookalike with AMD CPU and AMD GPU.
And AMD DASH, which can spy on you the same way as IME (Intel Management Engine) does.
A275 wrote:Your IT administrators can easily access laptops, whether they are powered on with a responsive operating system, are powered off, or have a non-responsive / out-of-service OS. With DASH, IT can easily perform remote diagnostics and troubleshooting, asset management, and automated system startup and shut down.
Thinkpads are aimed at corporate IT depts who need the facilities that DASH and IME provide, however unlike Intel's IME DASH is based on an open standard DMTF & the code is XML based.
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#10 Post by dr_st » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:19 am

Dekks wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:39 am
the code is XML based.
Good God.
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#11 Post by Dekks » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:33 pm

dr_st wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:19 am
Dekks wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:39 am
the code is XML based.
Good God.
Run into XML in a previous life?
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#12 Post by lophiomys » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:38 pm

Very same thought as dr_st on XML. :x

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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#13 Post by NonesensE » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:56 pm

Summilux wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:38 pm
Ryzen is exciting for its perf/price ratio, so I'd gladly get an X275.
There were pages on the lenovo website about the A*75 for a few hours which indicate that these will come with bristol ridge processors. For Ryzen, you'll probably have to wait for an A*85 or so. Ryzen Mobile Pro will be released next year.

Google cached a part of these sites:
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Re: Lenovo A275: move over Intel Management Engine, AMD DASH is here...

#14 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:23 pm

Thank you NonesensE for digging that up!
Here's the rest of that page with the other "deleted" stuff that Lenovo doesn't want us to see:
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#15 Post by ajkula66 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:11 pm

Does anyone know when Lenovo sneaked this one in:
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#16 Post by Dekks » Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:00 am

Given the general negative view of AMD CPUs pre Ryzen i'm amazed Lenovo PR are even contemplating anything non Ryzen.
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#17 Post by lophiomys » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:23 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:11 pm
Does anyone know when Lenovo sneaked this one in:
The Lenovo Limited Warranty applies only to Lenovo hardware products purchased for your own use, and does not transfer upon resale.
I do not know the exact answer to your question,
but I have seen similar wordings with digital pianos from Kawai.
That seems another try to control the market and save money,
only as long as the customers would be indifferent enough to accept it.

The next thing, which appears to become common practice, is, that the "limited warranty" is limited to the country of sale.
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#18 Post by Summilux » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:50 am

NonesensE wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:56 pm
There were pages on the lenovo website about the A*75 for a few hours which indicate that these will come with bristol ridge processors. For Ryzen, you'll probably have to wait for an A*85 or so. Ryzen Mobile Pro will be released next year.
Good find :wink:

If those AMD laptops don't come with Ryzen... eh... that'll be yet another smart move from Lenovo ! You go guys ! :twisted:
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#19 Post by Summilux » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:57 am

Dekks wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:00 am
Given the general negative view of AMD CPUs pre Ryzen i'm amazed Lenovo PR are even contemplating anything non Ryzen.
Right ? Those might be good for budget laptops, in which case, why increase the costs buy bumping the machine to Thinkpad specs ?
lophiomys wrote:
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only as long as the customers would be indifferent enough to accept it.
You've pointed the core issue. They know they can get away with it since most people won't care about being milked.
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#20 Post by Saucey » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:39 pm

Kinda bummed on the new A-Series.
Mostly because they won't be a direct successor to my beloved A31p. It's just there to be an AMD variant of T and X series.
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#21 Post by Ibthink » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:03 am

AMD/Lenovo just officially announced both: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-AM ... 018.0.html

Presumably there will be Ryzen/Raven-Ridge based models in early 2018 at some point.
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#22 Post by Dekks » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:59 am

Ibthink wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:03 am
AMD/Lenovo just officially announced both: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-AM ... 018.0.html

Presumably there will be Ryzen/Raven-Ridge based models in early 2018 at some point.

Poor decision Thinkpad T/X brands shouldn't be tainted by such poor CPUs.
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#23 Post by NonesensE » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:53 pm

Dekks wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:59 am
Ibthink wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:03 am
AMD/Lenovo just officially announced both: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-AM ... 018.0.html

Presumably there will be Ryzen/Raven-Ridge based models in early 2018 at some point.

Poor decision Thinkpad T/X brands shouldn't be tainted by such poor CPUs.
Probably that's why they call it the A series... :wink:
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#24 Post by Dekks » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:29 am

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#25 Post by RealBlackStuff » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:41 am

The announcement is back: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/t ... 275_Laptop

And they keep on lying: We’ve shipped more than 100-million ThinkPads, all with our award-winning, ergonomic, highly accurate keyboard.

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#26 Post by Summilux » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:15 am

Maybe they did ship 100 millions since the *30 series :lol:
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