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Lenovo CES 2018

#1 Post by amardeep » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:24 am

A copy of the link I saw over on the thinkpad subreddit, [url]https://www.notebookcheck.com/Lenovo-un ... 882.0.html[/url].

Rumoured new machines :

• Thinkpad X1 Tablet and yoga Generation 3
• Thinkpad X1 Carbon Generation 6
• Thinkpad X280 (Complete redesign) and new to the X-Series:
• Thinkpad X380 Yoga
• Thinkpad L380 and a new 13-inch Thinkpad L380 Yoga Convertible
• Thinkpad L480 and L580
• Thinkpad T480s (Complete redesign), Thinkpad T480 and T580 (with Nvidia GeForce MX150)
• A new 11 inch Yoga with Intel's new Gemini Lake-Atom generation is also planned
• Last but not least the fifth generation Thinkpad 11e

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#2 Post by Puppy » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:55 am

ThinkPad 13 seems to be replaced by L380. Othwerwise I don't expect anything positive. Just ordinary laptops similar to HP, Dell, Acer ... no single attempt to be the ThinkPad.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#3 Post by amardeep » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:50 pm

Optional T25 keyboard on some models ? Hmmm, probably requires it getting frosty in hell :-)

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#4 Post by Puppy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:21 am

Lenovo preempts CES with new ThinkPads, Yoga, monitors
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/le ... -monitors/

Notice the first picture on the left. it is looks like it had more square than 16:9 display but it is just badly resized.

Lenovo’s latest ThinkPads have USB-C chargers and webcam security covers
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16845 ... s-ces-2018

ThinkPad L380 & L380 Yoga, ThinkPad L480 & ThinkPad L580: Affordable business class is updated with two 13-inch models
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad- ... 330.0.html

ThinkPad X280 & ThinkPad X380 Yoga: A long overdue redesign and a change of name
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad- ... 240.0.html

ThinkPad T480s, ThinkPad T480 & ThinkPad T580: Quad Core CPUs and the GeForce MX150 are coming to the traditional T series
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad- ... 172.0.html

Nvidia Quadro P500 debuting in upcoming ultra-thin Lenovo ThinkPad P52s workstation
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Qu ... 158.0.html

Lenovo announces new 10-inch Windows tablet
https://mspoweruser.com/lenovo-announce ... ws-tablet/

Yawn ... :(
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#5 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:33 am

Still crappy 6-row keyboard, still crappy 16:9 screen, still no interest.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#6 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:21 pm

Puppy wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:21 am

Yawn ... :(
Indeed.
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Still crappy 6-row keyboard, still crappy 16:9 screen, still no interest.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#7 Post by Summilux » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:37 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:33 am
Still crappy 6-row keyboard, still crappy 16:9 screen, still no interest.
Amen :bow:
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#8 Post by ThinkRob » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:49 pm

I could hold out for a machine that will never happen again (7-row, 4:3 screen, etc.)... but if I'm not going to do that, the current and upcoming lineups both look fine.

I'm not really a fan of the X280 from an industrial design standpoint, but spec-wise it's not bad. I'm still probably gonna go with an X270 or A275 though since saving a few bucks matters more than having the latest toy. But I can't see any real problems with the X280.

My only complaint is that the whole lineup is just... cluttered. Like, yeah us nerds can figure it out, but holy hell do they have a ton of options nowadays. Not like the days of just the T, X, and R... Oh well. "MBAs gonna MBA" I guess.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#9 Post by thinkpadcollection » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:29 pm

Do not buy any X series if the memory is only 1 slot with no onboard memory. This will limit to single channel mode, needs dual channel mode (either onboard memory *with* memory slot memory module installed also, or two slots memory), to help with integrated GPU performance (important) and some people need much more memory as well.

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#10 Post by dr_st » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:50 am

New docking stations again. Side docking port instead of bottom docking port. Now I'm even happier that the TP25 was based off the older models. :)
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#11 Post by Saucey » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:09 pm

I'm glad the industry is utilizing USB-C as a charging port. The next step would be having full compatibility from other chargers, unless they have lower wattage than needed.
As far as docks go, I'm not sure how long Lenovo will be making them.
Seeing how eGPUs are getting nice cases with USB ports, I wonder if Lenovo will ever produce one to compliment a future T-Series.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#12 Post by shawross » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:16 am

Yes Lenovo are still producing the same crap we don't want especially in keyboards and display ratios.

But with the latest kernel exploits the latest CPUs may still be vulnerable despite the Intel microcode updates.

With this speculation buying a new PC today might not be the smartest move. I think Intel will address these exploits properly in future design.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#13 Post by Puppy » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:48 am

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12246/le ... ga-laptops

The paragraph about Dolby Vision HDR reminds terrible Dell's Dynamic Backlight Control (you can't turn off) users hated too much that Dell had to release a BIOS update to get rid of it :(

On the other hand Lenovo finally confirmed that 16:9 laptop is just overpriced video player :D
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#14 Post by amardeep » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Hmm, pretty boring, the only new-look machine was the X280. No sign of the (presumably somewhat expensively) developed T25 keyboard. Wouldn't have thought it would cost much to have that as an option on a couple of models, just keyboard and palmrest / keyboard surround and maybe a bit of firmware. Would have differentiated Thinkpads from all the other laptops and generated a bit of goodwill / publicity. I guess it was always a slim chance, knowing Lenovo. There's always next year, when the slim-bezeled 13" X390 will have it as an option ... yeah right ! Better fix my (wobbly-hinged) T410s.

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#15 Post by Puppy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:16 am

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon coming with HDR and Kaby Lake-R options
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 622.0.html

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga refresh shipping this month for $1900 USD
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 710.0.html

Note that Lenovo will be dropping the OLED panel completely from its 2018 lineup.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#16 Post by Puppy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:40 am

amardeep wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:04 pm
Would have differentiated Thinkpads from all the other laptops and generated a bit of goodwill / publicity.
Which is exactly what Lenovo don't want.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#17 Post by evening_hunger » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:55 am

T480 is shaping up to be a great machine. If it could be fitted with the T25 keyboard+bezel combo, it would be an instant-buy...
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#18 Post by Ibthink » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:04 am

Since the T480 is largely the same as the T470, it should be possible. But then the question remains of the keyboard will work and if not, how you will get it working.

The 2018 lineup so far (P series is still missing and won't be released until early Summer apparently) looks good. Its great that Lenovo finally will offer brighter screen options for the X1 models, the X1 Tablet now finally makes sense as a product with the much bigger 3:2 screen and full-size keyboard and as mentioned, the T480 seems like a topseller in the making. T480s is also a good update of the T460s/T470s (mainly because of the bigger battery).
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#19 Post by Puppy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:48 am

Ibthink wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:04 am
the X1 Tablet now finally makes sense as a product with the much bigger 3:2 screen and full-size keyboard and as mentioned
While Lenovo missed the opportunity to create a regular laptop using the same screen to compete with Surface Laptop and Huawei MateBook X.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#20 Post by plympton » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:31 pm

I just picked up a used Gen 2 x1 tablet, and so far kinda like it. Might have to get the gen 3 when it's on fire sale. :-)

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#21 Post by ThinkRob » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:36 pm

thinkpadcollection wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:29 pm
Do not buy any X series if the memory is only 1 slot with no onboard memory. This will limit to single channel mode, needs dual channel mode (either onboard memory *with* memory slot memory module installed also, or two slots memory), to help with integrated GPU performance (important) and some people need much more memory as well.
I'm not sure what the setup in the X280 is. I would assume that if it's on-board then it would be dual-channel because... well, why would it not be? But even if it's not, those of us with workloads that aren't particularly RAM-bound (read: not GPU-bound, mostly IO-bound) it's not the end of the world.

Most of my work nowadays is dev, and even then full compiles aren't *that* much of my runtime. So to be perfectly honest I'm not sure I'd be able to tell a difference between single and dual channel in my work.

CPU, however, I absolutely can tell a difference. More L1/L2/L3 or better eviction algos definitely benefit the sort of work that I do, so new CPUs are always a welcome upgrade.
While Lenovo missed the opportunity to create a regular laptop using the same screen to compete with Surface Laptop and Huawei MateBook X.
Didn't they just announce a Yoga something-or-other with a 3:2 panel?
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#22 Post by Puppy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:55 am

ThinkRob wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:36 pm
Didn't they just announce a Yoga something-or-other with a 3:2 panel?
Yes, X1 Tablet Gen 3.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#23 Post by thinkpadcollection » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:38 am

If anyone peruse the notebookcheck website for awhile, be noted that the performance figures for majority of notebooks is in single channel mode If they have either soldered down memory plus a empty memory slot or two memory slots with one memory filled. They should do the both tests with single channel and dual channel mode. This is vital to integrated GPU overall performance. Also a notebook have 4GB for windows 7, 8.x or 10, this will also impact the OS performance badly.

For some notebooks with soldered down memory only, this takes some investigation to see if this is actual dual channel mode.
Best examples are many chromebooks ships with 2GB or 4GB (2GB is 4 chips with 4 solder pads (single channel) or all 8 chips soldered for 4GB in use (dual channel) how I know because I looked up on memory chip part number. And DDR3L 2GB does exist as 1Rx16 4 chips modules. See this link:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/2GB-Dell-DDR3-S ... SwmPFaLvbX

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#24 Post by dr_st » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 am

thinkpadcollection wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:38 am
If anyone peruse the notebookcheck website for awhile, be noted that the performance figures for majority of notebooks is in single channel mode If they have either soldered down memory plus a empty memory slot or two memory slots with one memory filled. They should do the both tests with single channel and dual channel mode. This is vital to integrated GPU overall performance.
How is the performance with asymmetric dual channel (two sticks of different sizes)?
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#25 Post by thinkpadcollection » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:04 am

Re: asymmetric dual channel.

Not recommended. OS fills the memory upwards then you are now stuck with single channel often especially with base soldered 4GB plus 8GB module. Win 7 thru 10 idles around 4-5GB in use with a browser open with a tab or few in 8GB memory size (dual channel) then switches over asymmetric dual channel as memory fills up more than 8GB in size on a 12GB machine. Also price of extra 8GB module to have matched 16GB set over just purchasing one 8GB module just sake of saving some money kind of foolish idea and problem finding matching memory to the now then old half once you wanted 8GB more yet purchasing two matched 8GB memory in first place is not too expensive in short and long term and peace of mind on reliability and best performance.

Otherwise for short term fix, just buy extra 4GB first matched if possible to the current 2 slot computer with 1 4GB module installed for now then purchase matched set of 16GB memory module later on.

Sometimes extra memory helps to fix some software, I seen this happen with 8GB on Steam breaking sometimes on windows startup, going to 16GB fixed that perfectly.

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#26 Post by dr_st » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:26 pm

thinkpadcollection wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:04 am
Also price of extra 8GB module to have matched 16GB set over just purchasing one 8GB module just sake of saving some money kind of foolish idea and problem finding matching memory to the now then old half once you wanted 8GB more yet purchasing two matched 8GB memory in first place is not too expensive in short and long term and peace of mind on reliability and best performance.
Well, I have a 16GB module in my TP25; so I would need another 16GB to have it symmetric dual channel. Kinda pricey... Replacing the 1x16GB with 2x8GB is not cheaper either.
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#27 Post by TTY » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:39 am

I looked into this long ago, before i bought my T61. If i understood what i read then correctly, it's like this: if you have one 16 GB module, and add an 8 GB module, Intel chipsets are able to operate 8 GB of the 16 GB module and the 8 GB module in dual channel mode. The other 8 GB of the 16 GB module cannot utilize the advantage of dual channel in such a configuration.

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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#28 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:29 am

TTY wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:39 am
I looked into this long ago, before i bought my T61. If i understood what i read then correctly, it's like this: if you have one 16 GB module, and add an 8 GB module, Intel chipsets are able to operate 8 GB of the 16 GB module and the 8 GB module in dual channel mode. The other 8 GB of the 16 GB module cannot utilize the advantage of dual channel in such a configuration.
This is my understanding as well.
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#29 Post by shawross » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:36 pm

My X61 which has Windows 7 X86 installed has a 1 GB + 2 GB ram and CPU-Z reports that it is running in Dual Channel Symmetric mode.
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Re: Lenovo CES 2018

#30 Post by Puppy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:34 pm

ThinkPad Roadmap Leak 2018: ThinkPad A285 & A485 with Ryzen, T580p & ThinkPad P1 with Coffeelake Hexa-Core CPUs
https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad- ... 054.0.html
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