What is wrong with Lenovo!??

[pheos]

OK I don't know if this belongs here but I just have to get rid of this.

1.
I have bin using a 14 " t41p for about 3 years now, mainly for software development (including shader programing).

I love it, I dropped it, I shorted a USB port(2x) and everything got fixed in not time. A love story from the beginning but now it is getting old...(especially the graphic card) and I need something more up to date!

Why cant Lenovo keep the same quality, the same form factor, add a Fire wire port, a DVI and a SPDIF outut, give me a LED back lid 4:3 screen, powered it by the Quator 570 and charge me 3000 USD for it??

Common guys, nobody who buys a Thinkpad needs it for watching movies, we need it for typing, coding...working! Wide screen does not help there! Thinkpads ARE NOT consumer "fun" Laptops (at least not the T series). I can buy a Macbook for that! We need connectivity, light weight, security or just plain number crunching power !

Lenovo! People will pay for it!! Thats why the bought them in the first place! Because they want to and they can! So stop trying to save money by making things cheap!

2.
Why do I see ten thousand different models on different countries web sides?? Is there going to be a 14" 4:3 t61p or not? I want straight answers! This sux!

If Lenovo cant make this happening...
Dell did it with the xps 1330!

I'm sick of all this! Am I the only one who feels like that??

Thomas.

[pianowizard]

Why cant Lenovo keep the same quality

Most people on this forum seem to have found that the T6* has better build quality than all previous T-series models.

Dell did it with the xps 1330!

The 1330 has a widescreen.

[tomh009]

Is there going to be a 14" 4:3 t61p or not? I want straight answers!

Yes.

[pheos]

pianowiz: I know that the xps 1330 has a wide screen but the over all form factor is even smaller than a t41p and look what they have squeezed into this little thing! So I don't see why the T-series is getting bigger and bigger....

tomh009: how do you know that, and when will it be available?

thx

[gator]

pianowiz: I know that the xps 1330 has a wide screen but the over all form factor is even smaller than a t41p and look what they have squeezed into this little thing! So I don't see why the T-series is getting bigger and bigger....

You have a magnesium rollcage for added protection in the T61 for both the base and the LCD, and it makes the T61 a wee bit thicker than the previous generation thinkpads. Whatever you complain of the T61, sturdiness will NOT be in the list ...

But yeah, it would be nice to see LED backlit screens in the future - maybe in the T70!

[asiafish]

Why cant Lenovo keep the same quality

Most people on this forum seem to have found that the T6* has better build quality than all previous T-series models.

Dell did it with the xps 1330!

The 1330 has a widescreen.

I had a T42p and now use a T60, and as suggested above, the T60 has much better build quality than the T42p. I think the ThinkPad 600 series were probably the best-built ThinkPads I've ever used, but the T60 is tied for second (with the X41 and X22).

Also, while you can't buy a 4:3 T61p (yet), you can get a 4:3 14" T60p right now.

[furrycute]

My wish list for T62p:

1) Quad core mobile CPU
2) 8GB max RAM
3) LED backlit LCD
4) Carbon fiber outer cover with internal magnesium roll cage

[asiafish]

My wish list for T62p:

1) Quad core mobile CPU
2) 8GB max RAM
3) LED backlit LCD
4) Carbon fiber outer cover with internal magnesium roll cage

My ideal T62p would be:
1) Faster Core2Duo at lower voltage
2) 8GB max RAM
3) LED Backlit LCD
4) 4:3 Ratio 13.3" SXGA+
5) 4 lb weight and 6 hour battery life with flush-fitting battery, 9 hour with larger battery

[pheos]

asiafish: hehe nice setup add an nvidia quatro 670m to in an I'll take to!

Am I right with the assumption that the 14" Version of the T61(p) still comes without a Fire Wire port??

[asiafish]

So long as high-end discreet video is available I don't really care which card it is, ATI or nVidia. For me the weight and battery are the important specs. I'm one of those people who are always torn between the X and the T series, preferring the power of the T but the size and weight of the X.

[RaysMD]

I'm with pheos.

I've had the T since the T40, currently with a 14" T42. Played with a T60, but didn't like it. Current iteration of the T series is heading in the wrong direction. i.e., off-centered LCD, increased thickness. Screw the roll cage if it's going to make it heaver and thicker than my 4.5lb T42. Trackpad shrunk too. Supposedly the same engineers are designing the Lenovo laptops, but it seems that the design approval may be from someone else.

[Volker]

To avoid being completely one-sided I'd like to add that

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

2) I'm carrying my thinkpad everyday with me in my backpack with other stuff. The T61 15.4" screen still shows no trace of trackpoint/key prints. My old T41 14.1" has them all over the screen. I don't know if its the extra thinkness or the roll cage, but I like it

[pianowizard]

I don't know if its the extra thinkness or the roll cage

Perhaps because your T61 is newer than the T41. Wait another three years!

[bill bolton]

and look what they have squeezed into this little thing!

The bestest low quality that Dell can deliver..... so what was your point again?

Cheers,

Bill B.

[pheos]

and look what they have squeezed into this little thing!

The bestest low quality that Dell can deliver..... so what was your point again?

Cheers,

Bill B.

My point is that it is possible to put an additional HDMI out, FIRE WIRE ,a remote and a web cam into and even smaller form factor.

And I had the Magnesium/Alloy hulled XPS 1330 in my hands it is light as a feather... the only reason why I'm waiting for the 14" 4:3 t61p is the sturdiness and the classic design.

[tomh009]

tomh009: how do you know that, and when will it be available?

I have seen the European announcement letter, and 8889-3DG and 8889-3FG are supposed to be available there as of 17 July 2007.

[Kyocera]

Played with a T60, but didn't like it.

You really need to USE the t60 for a while to appreciate it, don't know what model you played with but I migrated from 600>T30>T42>R52>T60, the t60 is as good or better depending on what line of work your in, it's solid as a Rock and worthy of not having to sit on a desk for it's life.

[qviri]

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

Code is written in tall-screen aspect ratio. 3:4 is pretty awesome (swivelling laptop screens, where art thou?), but failing that, 4:3 is much better than widescreen.

[tomh009]

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

Code is written in tall-screen aspect ratio. 3:4 is pretty awesome (swivelling laptop screens, where art thou?), but failing that, 4:3 is much better than widescreen.

And so are books, magazines and newspapers. I don't know of any wide-format magazines -- somehow those haven't caught on!

[GomJabbar]

tomh009: Touché!

[bill bolton]

My point is that it is possible to put an additional HDMI out, FIRE WIRE ,a remote and a web cam into and even smaller form factor.

And my point is that means nothing much with Dell, as it may stop working in 6 months!

[Volker]

I don't know if its the extra thinkness or the roll cage

Perhaps because your T61 is newer than the T41. Wait another three years!

On the T41, I get the trackpoint print on the screen within a couple of days of carrying it around in my backpack. No need to wait years for that to happen...

As for the widescreen issue: Books, newspapers, and magazines ARE in widescreen format. Unless you keep them closed, that is Widescreen gives you the option of looking at two pages at once, which is great for reading and writing text.

And for all the programmers out there (which is also what I'm doing most of the time): Just get used to having enough space next to your editor and use it for another editor window, program output, or reference. Its not widescreen, its two tallscreens next to each other!

[Kyocera]

Volker, put your LOCATION in your profile please as per forum rules. I know you joined in 2004 but it's been a hot topic lately so if you don't mind, we'd like to know country, state, etc.

[pianowizard]

The bestest low quality that Dell can deliver.....

Have you actually used the Dell XPS m1330?

As for the widescreen issue: Books, newspapers, and magazines ARE in widescreen format....And for all the programmers out there (which is also what I'm doing most of the time)....its two tallscreens next to each other!

Well put!

[tomh009]

As for the widescreen issue: Books, newspapers, and magazines ARE in widescreen format. Unless you keep them closed, that is Widescreen gives you the option of looking at two pages at once, which is great for reading and writing text.

Picking a few random books out of my bookshelf and opening them, the aspect ratio when opened approximates to 4:3 ...

[pianowizard]

Picking a few random books out of my bookshelf and opening them, the aspect ratio when opened approximates to 4:3 ...

4:3 for the relatively tall books. Many books are wider.

[gator]

As for the widescreen issue: Books, newspapers, and magazines ARE in widescreen format. Unless you keep them closed, that is Widescreen gives you the option of looking at two pages at once, which is great for reading and writing text.

Excellent point.

But, if you notice, text in each page in most books is more like 3:4 (which is kinda easier to read) and atleast I read at one page at a time ... infact with magazies (and journal papers) I fold it and literally read one page at a time (unless I want to compare stuff or see figs w.r.t text). With books, having 2 pages side-by-side is more for comfort (both for reading experience with less page turns and well as for holding the book at a comfortable distance), though I must agree that it is very useful to have 2 pages side-by-side at times, esp with technical articles where there are figures interspersed with text.

I am still not convinced fully with the widescreen arguement and not very comfortable using WS monitors, but I defintely can see places where it can be VERY useful ... saying widescreen is crap altogether is not right.

[GomJabbar]

There is little doubt that widescreen has it's place when watching videos or viewing panoramas. Yet to date, the widescreen aspect ratio has not caught on in still photography. There have been panoramic still cameras available for years, but the number of people that own them are definitely in the minority. Viewing standard images on a widescreen display will result in more wasted space if you want to see the image full screen. Think about all these people with their digital cameras creating slide shows for others to see. A widescreen display will result in wider black borders on either side when viewing most snapshots.

Regarding text, widescreen could be useful for some that want to view standard documents or web pages side by side, however it just gets in the way for viewing a single standard document or web page of text. This is because when you are reading and get to the end of a line of text, it is harder to jump to the beginning of the next line of text when the distance is greater. Why do you think newspapers and magazines use columns? For readability. If you were composing a Word document for printing, this is easier to do on a 4:3 aspect ratio display than on a widescreen display. The same for viewing such Word documents. On a higher resolution 4:3 aspect ratio display (greater than XGA), it makes sense to window the document to allow easy selection of other open items on the desktop.

There have been times that I wanted two documents open side by side for comparison or for cutting and pasting. But generally speaking, I would rather see more of one document visible, than reduced portions of two documents visible. It only makes sense that if the same font and line spacing is used, you will be able to read more of a document before scrolling if that document takes up most of the screen rather than half (or less) of it. If side by side viewing is a must have for your situation, then yes, widescreen makes the most sense. Otherwise, I don't think so.

IMO, the 4:3 aspect ratio makes the most sense, for the most people, on a smaller display (14.1" or less). On 14.1" display laptops (and smaller models), portability is usually an important factor for the owner. On 15" and larger display laptops, portability is usually not that important. So for larger display laptops, a widescreen display may make more sense.

[tomh009]

There is little doubt that widescreen has its place when watching videos or viewing panoramas. Yet to date, the widescreen aspect ratio has not caught on in still photography. There have been panoramic still cameras available for years, but the number of people that own them are definitely in the minority. Viewing standard images on a widescreen display will result in more wasted space if you want to see the image full screen.

Actually photo editing is the one place where I would like to have a wide-format screen. With the photo aspect ratio of 3:2 (as from most digital SLRs) the 8:5 allows for some Photoshop tools on the side of the screen ...

[Troels]

Hmm.. I just want good LCDs to come back on the market.
What the point in widescreens when the contrast and color homogenity sùcks on all that is available?

LED screens apparently have not solved the issues from looking at the reviews. Some reviewers are so pathetic that in order to display how great the black levels are with LED backlight in comparison to CCFL, they turned down the aperture and ISO "speed", where it was higher with the CCFL picture.

For example, see the Macbook review on Notebookreview.

And then, I would demand another manufacturer of WUXGA panels on the T61p. Come on Lenovo - Samsung?
I've seen a now 2 year old ASUS laptop featuring an X600 and a Samsung WUXGA panel. The pixel pitch is just incredible, but it really has low contrast, brightness, and incredible narrow viewing angles. Yellow was light orange, red was pinkish, Let's hope it's not the same panel they use today.