What is wrong with Lenovo!??

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#31 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:43 am

I understand what you are saying tomh009, but I am the kind of person that views photos but does not edit them. I guess I am thinking more along the line of basic laptop use by consumers, secretaries, and the like, rather than more specialized business uses of a laptop. I wonder what percentage of typical laptop users really get involved photo editing? For those that spend any significant time photo editing, I suspect a 15" or larger display would be the norm.

#32 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:43 am

Troels wrote:Hmm.. I just want good LCDs to come back on the market. What the point in widescreens when the contrast and color homogenity sùcks on all that is available?

LED screens apparently have not solved the issues from looking at the reviews.

LED backlight helps improve colour reproduction accuracy, yes. But it does not solve the viewing angle or the overall display quality -- and even with colour reproduction, it cannot make up the gap between a TN/PVA panel and an IPS/FFS one.

Unfortunately IPS/FFS is relatively expensive and unlikely to be a standard display (for Lenovo or anyone else) in the near future. All we can really hope for is a more widely available IPS/FFS option (as we have had on the T series in the past, and currently have on the X61 tablet).

pianowizard · #33 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:06 am

GomJabbar wrote:IMO, the 4:3 aspect ratio makes the most sense, for the most people, on a smaller display (14.1" or less). On 14.1" display laptops (and smaller models), portability is usually an important factor for the owner.

But having a keyboard with big enough keys is also important. Small laptops (12.1" and less) with widescreens can use bigger keyboards than those with 4:3 aspect ratio.

#34 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:13 am

pianowizard wrote:But having a keyboard with big enough keys is also important. Small laptops (12.1" and less) with widescreens can use bigger keyboards than those with 4:3 aspect ratio.

Can you say "Butterfly"?

pianowizard · #35 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:44 am

GomJabbar wrote:Can you say "Butterfly"?

The great majority of 4:3 laptops are non-Butterflies!

#36 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:13 am

Very true pianowizard. I only mention butterfly keyboards because it is a technology used by ThinkPads in the past. It would be possible to use them again if Lenovo so desired...

#37 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:26 am

GomJabbar wrote:I understand what you are saying tomh009, but I am the kind of person that views photos but does not edit them. I guess I am thinking more along the line of basic laptop use by consumers, secretaries, and the like, rather than more specialized business uses of a laptop. I wonder what percentage of typical laptop users really get involved photo editing? For those that spend any significant time photo editing, I suspect a 15" or larger display would be the norm.

You are right ... even when I look at the laptops at a typical media centre, I will be one of a very small number (and sometimes the only one) with a 12" laptop. Most photographers will be using 14-15" laptops, and MacBooks/MacBook Pros probably make up more than a third of those.

pianowizard · #38 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:31 am

tomh009 wrote:Most photographers will be using 14-15" laptops, and MacBooks/MacBook Pros probably make up more than a third of those.

I thought most photographers would want Flexview quality displays, and would want to avoid the MacBook/MacBook Pros' crappy displays, no?

asiafish · #39 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:49 am

They pick Apple because it is Apple, not for the quality of the LCD panels, which are the same as everyone else's LCD panels.

pianowizard · #40 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:12 am

asiafish wrote:They pick Apple because it is Apple, not for the quality of the LCD panels, which are the same as everyone else's LCD panels.

I apologize if it sounded like I was implying that Apple's LCDs are inferior to other brands'. I understood that Apple and many other brands use the same LCD panels. I was just saying that photographers would want the best LCDs possible and thus prefer Flexview screens. And for the record, I am not picky about display quality and have rarely seen a laptop display that I find crappy. When I wrote "crappy", I meant "crappy for photographers".

Troels · #41 Post by **Troels** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:27 am

Most of the typesetting programs for newspapers, articles and so on, have been available for mac for a very long time. With newspapers comes a heavy load of photo editing and modification too, and it's also done on the mac, because it is the most convenient.
But my guess is that today, Macs are more of a tradition than actual need, in that field. The Cinema displays are nice, but completely pale in comarison to the IBM T221 or T210, but both are discontinued.

asiafish · #42 Post by **asiafish** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:03 pm

I haven't seen a crappy display since the days of passive matrix, which I found to be absolutely horrible.

#43 Post by **gator** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:50 pm

asiafish wrote:I haven't seen a crappy display since the days of passive matrix, which I found to be absolutely horrible.

Asiafish, have you used a thinkpad with a flexview screen? It really spoils you (atleast me!). I used to be perfectly happy with regular laptop screens, but after using my 15" T60, I just don't feel like working on TN panels anymore ... the colors are okay, but the bad contrast of TN panels bothers me.

I agree 100% to GomJabbar's points about widescreen usage for regular doucments. That is the exact same diffifulty I feel when I use a widescreen ...

pheos · #44 Post by **pheos** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:21 pm

Well I still think that a 4:3 Display delivers a better work flow than
a wide screen... LED back lid or not... and it keeps the laptop smaller as well!...

Lenovo should make a poll on that on their web page like they did with the "black & silver" thing... or maybe the forum should do one!

#45 Post by **JaneL** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:24 pm

pheos wrote:or maybe the forum should do one!

Better yet, let's add it to the FAQ in the list of classic battles that won't be fought here. This is getting tedious, guys. It's unlikely that either side is going to convince the other.

#46 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:29 pm

While the screen format discussion has come up many times before, it has been quite civil, and some interesting new views have been brought up.

#47 Post by **JaneL** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:40 pm

I didn't say it wasn't civil - I just said it was tedious.

#48 Post by **tomh009** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:46 pm

Some of us still enjoy it more than the political debates.

#49 Post by **carbon_unit** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:17 pm

That's for sure!

#50 Post by **GomJabbar** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:08 pm

I guess neither side can claim that a widescreen display or 4:3 standard aspect ratio display is: "something to die for".

asiafish · #51 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:16 am

gator wrote:
asiafish wrote:I haven't seen a crappy display since the days of passive matrix, which I found to be absolutely horrible.
Asiafish, have you used a thinkpad with a flexview screen? It really spoils you (atleast me!). I used to be perfectly happy with regular laptop screens, but after using my 15" T60, I just don't feel like working on TN panels anymore ... the colors are okay, but the bad contrast of TN panels bothers me.

I agree 100% to GomJabbar's points about widescreen usage for regular doucments. That is the exact same diffifulty I feel when I use a widescreen ...

Until they make a Flexview screen smaller I probably won't try one. 15" is just too large for me to consider it portable.

#52 Post by **gator** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:24 am

asiafish wrote:Until they make a Flexview screen smaller I probably won't try one. 15" is just too large for me to consider it portable.

I understand and agree with your point ... 15" is not "mobile" ... but you have to see (not own) a 15" flexview atleast once ... once you see it in person you'll understand what I am saying.

#53 Post by **tomh009** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:07 am

I have a 20.1" S-IPS display (a Dell 2001FP) on my desktop ... it would be lovely to have that technology in a 12" format, but it just isn't being offered by anyone -- bar the FFS panel on the X60/X61 tablet.

asiafish · #54 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:02 am

gator wrote:
asiafish wrote:Until they make a Flexview screen smaller I probably won't try one. 15" is just too large for me to consider it portable.
I understand and agree with your point ... 15" is not "mobile" ... but you have to see (not own) a 15" flexview atleast once ... once you see it in person you'll understand what I am saying.

Why look at it if I can't have it? If you only have enough money for a Hyundai, test driving a Mercedes is just an exercise in frustration.

pianowizard · #55 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:24 am

asiafish wrote:Why look at it if I can't have it? If you only have enough money for a Hyundai, test driving a Mercedes is just an exercise in frustration.

Or looking at beautiful women on the street.

asiafish · #56 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:30 am

pianowizard wrote:
asiafish wrote:Why look at it if I can't have it? If you only have enough money for a Hyundai, test driving a Mercedes is just an exercise in frustration.
Or looking at beautiful women on the street.

Thats the difference; my wife is a knock-out!!!!!!

pianowizard · #57 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:35 am

asiafish wrote:Thats the difference; my wife is a knock-out!!!!!!

Sounds fair. Your have a beautiful woman, and I have two Flexview displays.

asiafish · #58 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:56 am

And mine is portable, self-propelled even!

pheos · #59 Post by **pheos** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:27 pm

Hm if I think about it... Thinkpads and my girlfriend have a lot in common... their both difficult to get in the exact right configuration,
but once I got it.... I don't want to give it away again

So now I just need a Thinkpad that matches my gf... like a
14" 4:3 Flexview t61p with all the goodies....

I feel so... imbalanced... without it.

hutty2000 · #60 Post by **hutty2000** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:17 pm

asiafish wrote:
furrycute wrote:My wish list for T62p:

1) Quad core mobile CPU
2) 8GB max RAM
3) LED backlit LCD
4) Carbon fiber outer cover with internal magnesium roll cage
My ideal T62p would be:
1) Faster Core2Duo at lower voltage
2) 8GB max RAM
3) LED Backlit LCD
4) 4:3 Ratio 13.3" SXGA+
5) 4 lb weight and 6 hour battery life with flush-fitting battery, 9 hour with larger battery

It is also my preference.

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