What is wrong with Lenovo!??

[tomh009]

JWhat I would really, really, really like is for the extra width of the system box to be used. There's an inch or more of space to either side of the keyboard on this T60p on my desk: it would be just enough to allow for a keyboard that has the cursor keys in the right position! Then I wouldn't have to plug in a standard keyboard in order to do real work.

Ironically I use an UltraNav external keyboard when my X31 is docked, and while it has a numeric keypad, I end up using the same inverted-T cursor key group as I do on the built-in keyboard ...

[jcvjcvjcvjcv]

To avoid being completely one-sided I'd like to add that

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

2) I'm carrying my thinkpad everyday with me in my backpack with other stuff. The T61 15.4" screen still shows no trace of trackpoint/key prints. My old T41 14.1" has them all over the screen. I don't know if its the extra thinkness or the roll cage, but I like it

Yeah, for sure, that's why I always add a 2nd 4:3 monitor. So don't say I hate widescreen; I have 16:6 on my desktop

Besides that:

My eyes are built to read as much as possible pixels on a laptop
So in the case of 14" it must be 1400x1050. At 15.4" that's 1920x1200 preferred above the 15" 1600x1200.

I will accept that stupid-[censored] widescreen if they use it usefull. We have now have Widescreen T61" 14". Fine, even 6 cell battery sticking out, and they didn't dare to release 9 cell! Depth of the whole unit didn't got down. There is more plastic under and above the screen > welcome widescreen > less screen on the same lid.

I am fine when they cut of a bit of the vertical of the screen, but only when they cut the rest too! I don't need 1" casing above the screen, for some funny webcam (what my unit doesn't have). They could have sticked 100 pixels in it!!!!!! (vertical)

My brandnew T61" 14" has big casing around the whole screen (especially the upperside and left side of the screen). Even the T22 here looks better at that point, really disappointing..

[mattbiernat]

To avoid being completely one-sided I'd like to add that

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

i hate saying this but show me the research data that supports what you said. what you said seems more like marketing rather than a scientific fact.

[jcvjcvjcvjcv]

You can check it with your eyes: The angle of the Field of View (FOV) is horizontally bigger then the angle vertically. And when you are tired, the vertical angle will be even less. So, now you got it?

Because all thos widescreen-lovers are tired the whole day, the don't want the vertical space, because it's just behind their half closed eye-lids so they can't see

Serious: what' wrong to see something besides your laptop screen? Something like a 2nd 4:3 monitor. It would be a pain in the [censored] > eyes to look at a dual screen widescreen setup, your human eyes don't have such a wide aspect ratio

And still: there is plenty of room on the T61 under and above the the screen, so there is nearby place for a 4:3 with the same width.. A waste of space now with not putting a a screen at those places.

[mattbiernat]

Why is R61e more expansive than R61?

[ryengineer]

Why is R61e more expansive than R61?

I couldn't find the reference of R61 in this thread but $4 difference is not expensive IMHO at all...

[mattbiernat]

Why is R61e more expansive than R61?

I couldn't find the reference of R61 in this thread but $4 difference is not expensive IMHO at all...

but aren't the "e" versions suppose to be much cheaper than regular ones?

[bhtooefr]

A similarly configured R61 costs $954, though.

[hutty2000]

To avoid being completely one-sided I'd like to add that

1) Human vision is built for "wide-screen" aspect ratio, whether you like it or not.

2) I'm carrying my thinkpad everyday with me in my backpack with other stuff. The T61 15.4" screen still shows no trace of trackpoint/key prints. My old T41 14.1" has them all over the screen. I don't know if its the extra thinkness or the roll cage, but I like it

Yeah, for sure, that's why I always add a 2nd 4:3 monitor. So don't say I hate widescreen; I have 16:6 on my desktop

Besides that:

My eyes are built to read as much as possible pixels on a laptop
So in the case of 14" it must be 1400x1050. At 15.4" that's 1920x1200 preferred above the 15" 1600x1200.

I will accept that stupid-[censored] widescreen if they use it usefull. We have now have Widescreen T61" 14". Fine, even 6 cell battery sticking out, and they didn't dare to release 9 cell! Depth of the whole unit didn't got down. There is more plastic under and above the screen > welcome widescreen > less screen on the same lid.

I am fine when they cut of a bit of the vertical of the screen, but only when they cut the rest too! I don't need 1" casing above the screen, for some funny webcam (what my unit doesn't have). They could have sticked 100 pixels in it!!!!!! (vertical)

My brandnew T61" 14" has big casing around the whole screen (especially the upperside and left side of the screen). Even the T22 here looks better at that point, really disappointing..

Agree

[imzjustplayin]

If lenovo doesn't come out with a thinkpad that has significantly better graphics solutions than it currently has and does not offer a 4:3 UXGA laptop, then I'll be taking my business elsewhere. If lenovo thinks appealing to consumers is so important, then why did they kill off their consumer line of laptops?

[pianowizard]

If lenovo doesn't come out with a thinkpad that has significantly better graphics solutions than it currently has and does not offer a 4:3 UXGA laptop, then I'll be taking my business elsewhere

Who else are currently making 4:3 UXGA laptops?

If lenovo thinks appealing to consumers is so important, then why did they kill off their consumer line of laptops?

Yes, they killed the Z series, but they still have the 3000 line.

[BeeJayEmm]

I'll preface this by reminding all this is only my opinion:

The OP began this thread complaining about the perceived quality drop of ThinkPads. I agree: my wife got an R52 a little over a year ago and it's so nice I vowed I wouldn't buy another brand again. When we decided recently to get our son a notebook for college, we bought an R60. It doesn't seem as nice to me. It feels flimsier, the design is not as nice, the trackpad is sqare-ish and seems to have just been stuck there, the software doesn't work as smoothly, backing up cannot be done unattended because files in use cause dialog boxes to pop up (which never happens with the R52), etc. I feel so strongly about it that when I wanted to replace my Compaq Presario (excuse my language!), I got another R52. I of course can't speak about the Ts or any other line because I've never used them. But the R52 is a pleasure to own and use and the R60 has a bit of a personality!

On the subject of widescreen vs. non-w, they both are useful. I prefer non-wide because I do mostly document work and music writing/arranging and don't like to scroll vertically. With a widescreen, I'd be doing it all the time. In fact, as qviri mentioned earlier in the thread, I sometimes wish I had a 3:4 screen. I usually work on one page at a time, so being able to see pages side-by-side is not important to me. And remember, the two pages would still be shorter in height. The fact that a widescreen of "x" resolution has 20% more pixels than a non-wide doesn't help me if those pixels are not useful.

[mattbiernat]

Is possible to discover whether I have the mobo from "the new supplier" (posting from: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:44 am) or the "time bomb" one ?

link: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=150


I've never owned any other thinkpad than T60. I was recently looking for an older one to use for simple word processing and internet. You know like everyday usage.
Just comparing the issues with T60s and T4xs. T4xs seem to have a lot of problems with their mobos. Just look at the sticky, its not a couple of people but a LOT of them.
And while I will agree with you that the older thinkpads look so much nicer (no ugly buttons, no flimsy touchpad buttons, no ugly lenovo sign etc..), the T60 seems to have much fewer hardware issue. Software issues are another problem, but those can be resolved either by an end user or the company. And yeah those silver shiny round buttons -- I guess Lenovo decided that the 80s are back....

[imzjustplayin]

Is possible to discover whether I have the mobo from "the new supplier" (posting from: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:44 am) or the "time bomb" one ?

link: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=150


I've never owned any other thinkpad than T60. I was recently looking for an older one to use for simple word processing and internet. You know like everyday usage.
Just comparing the issues with T60s and T4xs. T4xs seem to have a lot of problems with their mobos. Just look at the sticky, its not a couple of people but a LOT of them.
And while I will agree with you that the older thinkpads look so much nicer (no ugly buttons, no flimsy touchpad buttons, no ugly lenovo sign etc..), the T60 seems to have much fewer hardware issue. Software issues are another problem, but those can be resolved either by an end user or the company. And yeah those silver shiny round buttons -- I guess Lenovo decided that the 80s are back....

The only reason why the T4X would have issues is because you bought one with a Radeon 7500 GPU.. If you get a T4X series laptop without one, you shouldn't encounter many issues. Out of all the T4X series, I'd say the T43 is the worst.

[bill bolton]

The only reason why the T4X would have issues is because you bought one with a Radeon 7500 GPU..

No. As just one "for instance", T40s have a well known USB port issue.

Out of all the T4X series, I'd say the T43 is the worst.

Having had experience with a large fleet T4x Thinkpads sprearding from T40 through to T43 models, I have no hesitation in saying that the T43s are very definitely the best of the T4x range.

Cheers,

Bill B.