ThinkVision L220x Availability?

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ulrich.von.lich · #1 Post by **ulrich.von.lich** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:05 am

Does anyone know when the L220x is going to be released? I checked on Lenovo's site but didn't find any related information. I googled it and found some user reviews?!? but nothing about the purchase information..

I'm not interested in 24 inch Widescreen LCDs due to the size/weight factor. The NEC MultiSync® 20WGX²Pro (S-IPS) would've been a good choice for me if it didn't have the glossy finish.

If the L220x won't be available in sometime soon, any recommendations for a good 20 - 22 inch LCD?

Regards,
Tony

#2 Post by **ryengineer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 am

It is available at least in US and Canada. They were released last year in October.

You would need to call to check availability.

For more info. check mbook.

#3 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:45 am

There's a big write-up about it (by 'our' mod Erik) on the Lenovo Forum
http://forum.lenovo.com/lnv/board/messa ... hread.id=2

ulrich.von.lich · #4 Post by **ulrich.von.lich** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:32 pm

I'm quite disappointed to learn the fact they are not available in Europe. And I think $499 is not expansive at all for what it offers. The NEC 20WGX2 Pro is sold at €599 here and it has only WSXGA+. I think I'll have to look elsewhere. Thanks guys anyway

Esben · #5 Post by **Esben** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:14 am

Here in Denmark, it's been added to two online webshops, at a price of about €670. Expected delivery time is 13 days.
I expected it to be around €400, this is way too much.

From what I've read around the net, the Samsung 226BW sound good. Maybe you could consider that instead?

Puppy · #6 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:29 am

The price is supposed to be about 400 EUR over here (1 EUR ~ 27 CZK) http://www.alza.cz/EN/lcd-monitor-ibm-l ... d83269.htm Cosindering that most of products are seriously overpriced here I expect it must be even cheaper in the rest of (western) Europe unless the shop price is incorrect.

Edit: I found another two shops with very similar price and availability within 48 hours.

Puppy · #7 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:36 am

Esben wrote:From what I've read around the net, the Samsung 226BW sound good.

Isn't it a crappy TN panel ? The Lenovo monitor has S-PVA which is huge difference in terms of quality.

ulrich.von.lich · #8 Post by **ulrich.von.lich** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:28 pm

Thanks for the feedbacks!

Finally I took one step back and bought a Dell 2407WFP-HC. The main reason is that it has the zero dead pixel guarantee (ISO 13406-2 Pixel Failure Class I, I guess).

Actually I could've asked some of my friends in the US to do me the favor, purchasing a L220x then shipping it to me but it'd cause me too much hassle to ship it back in case the display is defective. Besides, I don't even know Lenovo's dead pixel policy on ThinkVisions. For me, dead pixels are extremely hard to be tolerated.

Samsung 226BW seems to be one of the most popular screens in France. Yes it has a TN screen, which is less crappier than the TN screens on ThinkPads I guess. But most people don't really seem to know/care as long as the screen quality is acceptable and the price is not too expansive.

I don't know if S-PVA screens are any better than S-IPS screens but they are definitely better than TN screens. NEC also possesses a LCD technology called H-IPS A-TW Pol. (Horizontal IPS avec Advanced True Wide Polarizer). A such panel would easily cost 800EUR to 1200EUR and they only have the Pixel Failure Class II (a couple of pixels are tolerated on a high resolution screen)

Puppy · #9 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:43 pm

ulrich.von.lich wrote:Thanks for the feedbacks!Finally I took one step back and bought a Dell 2407WFP-HC. The main reason is that it has the zero dead pixel guarantee (ISO 13406-2 Pixel Failure Class I, I guess).

Does it apply for subpixels as well ? Dell is known to having "no specs" for their monitors. They are even able to exchange panel technology within the same model. This is unacceptable.

ulrich.von.lich wrote:But most people don't really seem to know/care as long as the screen quality is acceptable and the price is not too expansive.

That's the exact reason why notebooks have more and more crappy displays.

ulrich.von.lich wrote:I don't know if S-PVA screens are any better than S-IPS screens but they are definitely better than TN screens.

There is no perfect LCD technology. The only thing which is for sure - TN is horrible crap in every aspect. As for xVA versus x-IPS, there are pros and cons for both of them. In general xVA has better contrast ratio while x-IPS has better color accuracy and viewing angles.

ulrich.von.lich wrote:NEC also possesses a LCD technology called H-IPS A-TW Pol. (Horizontal IPS avec Advanced True Wide Polarizer). A such panel would easily cost 800EUR to 1200EUR and they only have the Pixel Failure Class II

They are monitors for professionals having color calibation, wide color gamut etc.

ulrich.von.lich · #10 Post by **ulrich.von.lich** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:10 pm

[quote="Puppy"]Does it apply for subpixels as well ?[quote]

Yes, at least it's what he told me. In case you are wondering, here's the link to the seller.

Thanks for the tips. Personally I'd consider the color accuracy more important than the contrast ratio. But it seems that all NEC's WUXGA S-IPS screens are only available for 26" and the H-IPS A-TW Pol (what a long name..) screens are too expansive. I guess you are right. Nothing is perfect. Just suck it up.

Puppy · #11 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:09 pm

Latest S-PVA panels are very good regarding color representation as well. I'd say that S-PVA is currently the most versatile technology for a consumer monitor. The quality of electronics in the monitor is also important. You can have two models with the same lcd panel but getting completely different results.

For example I have NEC 2090UXi with A-TW-IPS panel. There is a HP model (L2065 I guess) with the same panel but the experience is rather poor. It is far from the NEC especially regarding range of brightness settings. The HP monitor is overbrighted even you set the brightness to zero. Also the NEC's backlight uniformity compensation works really great.

superboss · #12 Post by **superboss** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:45 am

The lack of availability of this screen could possibly be explained by the following news:

http://www.digitimes.com/displays/a20080212VL201.html

I know for sure that the panel used in the L220x is manufactured by Lite-On. Mine is on backorder with expected delivery in 1st of April 2008 :/

kamaleon · #13 Post by **kamaleon** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:04 am

Yeah right. I'm in France too and this would be my dream display. 22" (24" a tad too much for my desktop and electricity bill), WUXGA (for HD wow

) and nice PVA panel

A couple of months ago I almost talked a friend of mine that lives in Chicago to bring me one from the States but she refused. I've been keeping an eye out to see their availability but for the moment still no luck. They seem to be available in Germany according to preisroboter.de, but they're a bit expensive comparing to the US price. If anyone wants to bring me one from the US i'd be really happy and I would definetly be into paying some reward

#14 Post by **erik** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:46 pm

ulrich.von.lich wrote:Finally I took one step back and bought a Dell 2407WFP-HC. The main reason is that it has the zero dead pixel guarantee (ISO 13406-2 Pixel Failure Class I, I guess).

fwiw, my L220x arrived with zero dead/hot pixels. i could not find any dead/hot subpixels during full-screen RGB color tests, either. if your dell doesn't work out then definitely give the L220x a shot.

kamaleon · #15 Post by **kamaleon** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:58 am

erik, could I just ask you a brief question about the infamous 1:1 mapping on this screen?

I know people have talked extensively about this, but sorry my ignorance, I can't really grasp the whole picture (hehe, I'm wondering if the screen can

)

When you watch a 1920 x 1080 HD video (whether mpeg2 / VC1 / H.264, it doesn't matter) via DVI, is it stretched to fit the whole screen or are there 2 little black bars on the top and the bottom (as the screen has 120 pixels more than 1080)?

(sorry for the OT)

ulrich.von.lich · #16 Post by **ulrich.von.lich** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:25 am

Thanks erik for the feedback of your L220x, I found the guide very useful.

If I lived in the US, the L220x would be my choice. However since Lenovo France hasn't yet started to sell those screens, it'd be too risky for me. In case of defective pixels, I wouldn't be able to afford the money and time shipping the screen back to the US. I'm glad to hear you have received a defect-free screen in the first place. Let's say you are a lucky person.(you even own a S30). The first Dell screen I received was defective, and so was the second one... the third one was perfect, finally... I must say, the support of Dell France was impressive!

kamaleon, I haven't watched a HD video yet but I would expect the latter to happen.

Puppy · #17 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:27 pm

Unfortunately it seems as the monitor is suffering from typical problem of cheap LCD monitors - insufficient range of brightness setting. The monitor is overbrighted even on low brightness. And yes, the availability has been postponed to Apr 2008 over here.

#18 Post by **erik** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:46 pm

kamaleon wrote:When you watch a 1920 x 1080 HD video (whether mpeg2 / VC1 / H.264, it doesn't matter) via DVI, is it stretched to fit the whole screen or are there 2 little black bars on the top and the bottom (as the screen has 120 pixels more than 1080)?

it would probably depend more on your choice of video software. i've only used the L220x with vista's windows media center and it does have a 1:1 choice in playback. i have played movies on my T61p but not yet played an official HD-DVD to know exactly what happens.

Puppy wrote:Unfortunately it seems as the monitor is suffering from typical problem of cheap LCD monitors - insufficient range of brightness setting. The monitor is overbrighted even on low brightness. And yes, the availability has been postponed to Apr 2008 over here.

in a completely dark room i find the lowest setting to be plenty low. obviously LED would be better but by no means is the L220x that bad in my opinion.

it sounds like availability is scarce because of a fire a an LCD manufacturing plant according to tim supples in his post on lenovoblogs.

speaking of which, i don't know who manufactures the panel in the L220x so if anyone knows an easy way for me to find out then please post here or PM me directly. i believe it's a samsung but would like to know for sure.

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