ENTIRE NEW Lenovo Lineup revealed!

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tallshorty · #1 Post by **tallshorty** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:05 pm

See here: http://gizmodo.com/378504/lenovos-entir ... s-siblings

Looks pretty cool. I wonder what the price will be for the X200. I just put an order in for the Penryn T8300 2.4 Ghz X61 today. $1061 fully loaded. If the X200 comes out at this price, I'd so regret getting the X61 now.

iamdmc · #2 Post by **iamdmc** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:18 pm

Trust me, you won't regret buying the X61. Firstly, it is an awesome laptop, very light, and great battery life. Not only that, but you got it about $600 below MSRP (IMHO). You're going to Love it.

As for the new X200/X300/X400/X500... well the X200/X400/X500 will not be coming out for some time yet - like a quarter or two - and they're likely to have much higher prices than your X60. Also, being that they are newly designed, I like to watch the market a bit first for reviews (ie for a few months) to make sure that a design refresh is going to be something I will Love too. Maybe in 7 months you'll want an X200, but it'll likely use the same processor so it won't help any

P.S. When you look at the new line-up, if you have "Ride of the Valkries" playing on your stereo, it makes the experience 100x better

P.P.S. It's my birthday! What a present!

ajkula66 · #3 Post by **ajkula66** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:23 pm

Very interesting...

Hip-hip-hooray for going back to ATi and for the new "desktop replacement"/workstation W series...let's hope for the best...

qviri · #4 Post by **qviri** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:28 pm

So if the R400 will be 5.1 lbs and the T400 4.3 lbs, how much will the X400 be? Or is the source/interpretation inaccurate and it's just going to be X200, X300, T400, R400, T500, R500?

#5 Post by **gator** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:08 pm

I don't understand the split between the series - if this is all true. 14.1" and 15" models across X/R/T series is going to be extremely confusing ... maybe the W series is a re-born A series, but I really hope we don't see a 17" monster in ANY line.

And did I read right? It says T-series is "mid-range" now ... that's plain crazy! I'll be watching for related news, but I am taking this release with a pinch of salt (rather a pitcher of salt).

ajkula66 · #6 Post by **ajkula66** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:20 pm

Unlike my dear friend gator, I'd love to see a 17" ThinkPad with an IPS LCD and QXGA resolution...

I am allowed to dream, am I not...

SHoTTa35 · #7 Post by **SHoTTa35** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:31 pm

well a "T400" might be up my alley if i could ever afford one

2Ghz Penryn (I definitely don't need a 3Ghz laptop)
2GB DDR3 RAM
128GB SSD 100MB/s RW (hehe)
14.1" LED WSXGA+ (option of-course not standard)
9 Cell battery (making it 4 to 5lbs

)
Total runtime - 5-6hrs.
Priced under $2000

Watch out bank account!!!! Deep scars are coming.

Puppy · #8 Post by **Puppy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:07 pm

Do we get real displays ? (doubt) Do we get non-toyable 4:3 models ? (doubt) Do we get non-super-thick display bezel models ? (doubt)

awolfe63 · #9 Post by **awolfe63** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:12 pm

I've now been 100% convinced to wait. I've been agonizing over the integrated/discrete graphics question. Switchable graphics is ideal for me.

Big questions for me is - will they run XP?

Puppy · #10 Post by **Puppy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:23 pm

ajkula66 wrote:Unlike my dear friend gator, I'd love to see a 17" ThinkPad with an IPS LCD and QXGA resolution...

I wouldn't expect anything better than 17" WXGA+ TN with 150:1 "contrast" and excessive backlight bleeding. That's standard for new Lenovo top-models.

dr_st · #11 Post by **dr_st** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:38 pm

Puppy wrote:
ajkula66 wrote:Unlike my dear friend gator, I'd love to see a 17" ThinkPad with an IPS LCD and QXGA resolution...
I wouldn't expect anything better than 17" WXGA+ TN with 150:1 "contrast" and excessive backlight bleeding. That's standard for new Lenovo top-models.

Puppy, you're exaggerating.

It's gonna be a WUXGA 17" TN, with 200:1, and moderate backlight bleeding.

And ofcourse, you will never see 17" QXGA, simply because no one will make a 17" non-widescreen laptop.

Trekk69 · #12 Post by **Trekk69** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:10 pm

Great link,
Now just to wait a little a few years, until I actually need another laptop, but by than, I'm only sure another slew of laptops will be hot off the press!

qviri · #13 Post by **qviri** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:22 pm

Puppy wrote:
ajkula66 wrote:Unlike my dear friend gator, I'd love to see a 17" ThinkPad with an IPS LCD and QXGA resolution...
I wouldn't expect anything better than 17" WXGA+ TN with 150:1 "contrast" and excessive backlight bleeding. That's standard for new Lenovo top-models.

That's funny, because a friend (who previously had an Acer) was considering buying a T61p and one of the major factors was its 1920*1200 screen. Unless Lenovo has a different top model I am not aware of?

dweis · #14 Post by **dweis** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:03 pm

I really hope there will be a docking station for the X200 !

Trekk69 · #15 Post by **Trekk69** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:29 pm

dweis wrote:I really hope there will be a docking station for the X200 !

I'm sure there will be

#16 Post by **KristianJ** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:31 am

gator wrote: And did I read right? It says T-series is "mid-range" now ... that's plain crazy! I'll be watching for related news, but I am taking this release with a pinch of salt (rather a pitcher of salt).

I guess that in terms of size and weight the T series has always been mid-range compared to its relatives.

I'll be interested to see actual details on these - 4 size variants in the X series seems rather confusing and possibly unnecessary though.

Miller88 · #17 Post by **Miller88** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:43 am

If the 12 and 13.3'' are in my price range, I might be buying one of those to replace the T60!

rhema83 · #18 Post by **rhema83** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:15 am

I agree. Just stick to 12.1" and 13.3" for the X series. If I want an ultraportable, I wouldn't want it to be 14.1" and not be able to fit it on a airplane tray table! Unless Lenovo wants to go down the same path as Apple to make thin but large-footprint "ultraportables".

As previously mentioned, I always thought the T series was the top of the line. When did it get relegated to "mid-range"?

I do look forward to the switchable graphics (copied from Sony SZ, I bet). Finally I can have the power when I need it and battery life at other times. Oh well, till then, my X61 serves me well *most* of the time.

rockefella · #19 Post by **rockefella** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:28 pm

The T series will become all non-p T-series computers.
The W series will become all p designated T-series.

So for example:

Thinkpad T61 ----> new T series
Thinkpad T61p -----> new W series

At least, that's how I understood it.

Puppy · #20 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:02 am

rhema83 wrote:As previously mentioned, I always thought the T series was the top of the line. When did it get relegated to "mid-range"?

The time it got crappy displays.

BTW What will be the same-size-replacement for X60 ? It supposed to be an X100 to get the same size (width in particular).

mybellyisempty · #21 Post by **mybellyisempty** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:01 pm

Great....and I just placed an order for a T61. I really don't want to be stuck with my 17" laptop until the new ones come out...but if I were to wait, now's the time to do it while it's still being built.

After having sold my T60 to my dad, the system below is only going to cost me about $1000 out of pocket (technically, only like $300, but some of the money he gave me ended up going towards health insurance)...do that and wait for the Nehalem systems instead of this Penryn refresh, or run on just the DV9000 in sig until these come out?

TTY · #22 Post by **TTY** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:36 am

Puppy wrote:I wouldn't expect anything better than 17" WXGA+ TN with 150:1 "contrast" and excessive backlight bleeding. That's standard for new Lenovo top-models.

These are panel contrast measurements of three current Lenovo ThinkPads:

Panel size___________________ Contrast ratio __Notebook
14.1" WXGA+ (1440 x 900) ___________315:1 ___T61
14.1" XGA (1024 x 768) ______________379:1 ___T61
15.4" WSXGA+ (1680 x 1050) _________650:1 ___R61

Troels · #23 Post by **Troels** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:01 pm

I for one would hope that it is possible to order the X200 with an ordinary crappy run of the mill CCFL LCD

... because then, it should be possible to swap in a BOE-Hydis HV121WX1 FFS 1280x800 LCD

Yep, you heard it, a WS FFS model.

Troels · #24 Post by **Troels** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:20 pm

I just really felt i needed to dedicate a post to this.

BOE-Hydis is now kept alive by PVI / Prime View Consortium, especially see this part:
http://www.beck-oled-lcd-tft-display.de ... /07-11.php and

"Please note that the MOU signed with Prime View Consortium includes a consensus clause which states that BOE HYDIS' current business strategy will be maintained. As such, the agreement will have no affect on our supply of products and services to your company, which will continue as usual."

Have you guys seen this AFFS LED backlit 12" WS with a WXGA resolution that has a data sheet from end of oct. 2007 ?
http://www.beck-oled-lcd-tft-display.de ... X6-100.pdf

If Lenovo is not implementing these panels in the 12" WS X200 the lack of credibility of the words regarding "we are looking into substitutes for the flexview" is just off.

milstein · #25 Post by **milstein** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:32 pm

Where is the Tablet in the new family?
Or will there be a competitive secret to be revealed later?
Will there be a Thinkpad Tablet in the future?

Puppy · #26 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:14 am

Troels wrote:If Lenovo is not implementing these panels in the 12" WS X200 the lack of credibility of the words regarding "we are looking into substitutes for the flexview" is just off.

It was clear from the beginning. Cutting the cost is the only reason. BTW Boe-Hydis still offers 15" SXGA+ and UXGA IPS panels as well.

Greg Gebhardt · #27 Post by **Greg Gebhardt** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:28 pm

"T" series midrange?

Does that mean I have something to look forward to and my T61p is going to be outdated!

I would ike to see something to replace it but not from what I have read

Troels · #28 Post by **Troels** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:08 pm

Thinking about it... i'm really getting tired/frustrated with Intel releasing new processors and chipsets all the time - to no avail imo. It's a laptop. I don't feel the difference between my Athlon TB 1.2 Ghz desktop and Core Duo 2 GHz if it had not been because the desktop runs on SD-Ram.
But maybe it makes sense either way - Intel probably spoke to MS about making a bloated OS, so that people would need to upgrade their CPUs.

So Greg, your nice T61p is not outdated. It all depends on your uses. A desktop processor and chipset will always stomp all over Intel's "performance" offerings on a laptop either way. I.e., it is all just marketing gimmick.

Dead1nside · #29 Post by **Dead1nside** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:35 am

Troels wrote:Thinking about it... i'm really getting tired/frustrated with Intel releasing new processors and chipsets all the time - to no avail imo. It's a laptop. I don't feel the difference between my Athlon TB 1.2 Ghz desktop and Core Duo 2 GHz if it had not been because the desktop runs on SD-Ram.

I don't know what operating system you're using but I'd say that the difference in speed between a Thoroughbred cored Athlon XP @ 1.2Ghz and a Core2 Duo @ 2Ghz is astronomical.

Thoroughbreds are awful for heat, Core2 Duos are better than AMD's current alternative (I'm an AMD fan, but they're just not delivering at high enough clock rates, I'm looking forward to Griffin/Puma though.)

You'll notice a huge difference also in media encoding be that ripping music from a CD or a video from a DVD. In general productivity tasks like Office as well, anti-virus scans and all performance is drastically increased I'd say by at least 100% over the Thoroughbred.

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