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Pascal_TTH · #1 Post by **Pascal_TTH** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:51 am

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080527PD214.html

According to this news from Digitimes, TFT panel maker wants to push 15.6" 16/9 screens to replace 15.4" 16/10 current screens. Basic resolution will change from 1280x800 to 1366x768 (work area +2,45%). Get ready to scroll more and more !

mod edit: moved to general thinkpad forum from the T6-series forum for everyone's benefit.

rek · #2 Post by **rek** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:10 am

Saves them from having to make separate laptop and TV LCD panels, I guess..

Puppy · #3 Post by **Puppy** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:49 am

Get ready for 4096x16

#4 Post by **erik** » Thu May 29, 2008 12:53 pm

clearly this is evidence of the tail wagging the dog. instead of PC manufacturers telling the display manufacturers what they want, the display manufacturers are forcing their wares on the PC makers.

how sad.

#5 Post by **gator** » Thu May 29, 2008 1:12 pm

erik wrote:clearly this is evidence of the tail wagging the dog. instead of PC manufacturers telling the display manufacturers what they want, the display manufacturers are forcing their wares on the PC makers.

how sad.

So true ... we certainly have the technology to make really good panels, and yet we don't see them. The profit margins in the consumer/low-end laptop market is really thin, and companies will do whatever they need to (like pushing lower quality LCD panels) to make what best they can ...

sad state of affairs indeed.

gaphic2 · #6 Post by **gaphic2** » Thu May 29, 2008 2:51 pm

I haven't researched this thoroughly but so I might be proven wrong, but TV-brands seem to have invested seriously in panel manufacturers.

Why haven't notebook manufacturers done the same? Surely that makes good business sense?

Pascal_TTH · #7 Post by **Pascal_TTH** » Thu May 29, 2008 3:09 pm

Most laptop manufacturers have left the TFT panel production (IBM, Toshiba). My first Thinkpad A20p was a full IBM computer : IBM hard drive and IBM panel. Now, all the laptop manufactrers do their shopping from AUO, LG/Philips, Samsung, and so on. Can the laptop manufacturers still ask fro specific panels or do they have to take what the panel makers offer ? We are in the second case... since years !

Puppy · #8 Post by **Puppy** » Thu May 29, 2008 3:23 pm

Notebooks are going to be cheap supermarket products. Even Dell has started to market in this category. Unfortunately the days of top-quality notebooks are over. It will be worse and worse only.

Puppy · #9 Post by **Puppy** » Thu May 29, 2008 3:32 pm

Pascal_TTH wrote:Can the laptop manufacturers still ask fro specific panels or do they have to take what the panel makers offer ?

Of course they could ! But it would cost more than now. Why would they do that while people still buys tons of idiotic widescreen notebooks with incredibly crappy displays. I bet 95% of people are not able to recognize any difference between notebook TN and professional PVA/IPS panels.

The same applies for "blurry" unreadable fonts generated by all the anti-aliasing technologies. It makes me cross-eyed when I'm trying to read such stuff. Can you turn it off at all in Vista ? No.

The amount of people willing to pay for normal display is way too low to make even special offer for them.

BTW If you watch situation in professional displays you might notice that high quality x-IPS panels are silently disappearing as well. Yes, Eizo and NEC still have them in top models but you can find more and more S-PVA over x-IPS based monitors. Why ? The cost. This is scary. H-IPS will probably never get into mass production. I don't have problems to spent 1500 EUR or more for a good monitor. But it might be the same story as former FlexView in ThinkPads.

snessiram · #10 Post by **snessiram** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:18 pm

@Puppy: I think 95% of people ARE able to recognize the difference, they just 1) never compared them because they don't know there exist different sorts of panels (let alone they know what a panel is) or 2) they don't want to pay a premium for "some better color/viewing angles" when a TN panel "will do".

As for the widesceen, I think most people like it better or don't care. For example for students, one laptop might be everything they use for school work but also for watching movies etc, then widescreen might be nice. I personally also am starting to like it as I nearly always do different taks simultaneously. However, I really dislike surfing fullscreen on a WXGA screen for example (I always put my browser window in a 4:3 form). Don't know if I'll like even wider screens.

As for turning "blurry unreadable fonts": cleartype (which I personally like) can be turned off, see this link.

gaphic2 · #11 Post by **gaphic2** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:13 pm

Puppy wrote:Notebooks are going to be cheap supermarket products. Even Dell has started to market in this category. Unfortunately the days of top-quality notebooks are over. It will be worse and worse only.

Most of them will be. But there are exceptions: the new Eurocom 15,4" workstation for example: http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaajhz.htm.

Quadcore, a choice of upgradeable GPU's, eSata, HDMI and DVI ports. No details on the LCD though, that looks likely to be the worst component.

pxa270 · #12 Post by **pxa270** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:45 am

Pascal_TTH wrote:Most laptop manufacturers have left the TFT panel production (IBM, Toshiba). My first Thinkpad A20p was a full IBM computer : IBM hard drive and IBM panel. Now, all the laptop manufactrers do their shopping from AUO, LG/Philips, Samsung, and so on. Can the laptop manufacturers still ask fro specific panels or do they have to take what the panel makers offer ? We are in the second case... since years !

I think Samsung is the only company left who could make almost all parts of a notebook themselves. They produce displays, hard disks, RAM, flash memory, optical drives... Main missing parts are the CPU and supporting chips, but you have little choice there. Samsung is one of the largest ARM manufacturers though, but ARM is a bit too underpowered for a laptop.

tylerwylie · #13 Post by **tylerwylie** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:07 am

pxa270 wrote:
Pascal_TTH wrote:Most laptop manufacturers have left the TFT panel production (IBM, Toshiba). My first Thinkpad A20p was a full IBM computer : IBM hard drive and IBM panel. Now, all the laptop manufactrers do their shopping from AUO, LG/Philips, Samsung, and so on. Can the laptop manufacturers still ask fro specific panels or do they have to take what the panel makers offer ? We are in the second case... since years !
I think Samsung is the only company left who could make almost all parts of a notebook themselves. They produce displays, hard disks, RAM, flash memory, optical drives... Main missing parts are the CPU and supporting chips, but you have little choice there. Samsung is one of the largest ARM manufacturers though, but ARM is a bit too underpowered for a laptop.

I think an ARM powered laptop could be amazing, I'd love a low Mhz low power fanless laptop. I think I could get by with <800MHZ on a work machine, although all I really need is bash, SSH, and e-mail.

AIX · #14 Post by **AIX** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:10 am

The wider they go the shorter they get.

qviri · #15 Post by **qviri** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:53 am

tylerwylie wrote:I think an ARM powered laptop could be amazing, I'd love a low Mhz low power fanless laptop. I think I could get by with <800MHZ on a work machine, although all I really need is bash, SSH, and e-mail.

The Nokia N810 runs on ARM and can do all of the above and more... It's widescreen though <_<

tylerwylie · #16 Post by **tylerwylie** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:20 pm

qviri wrote:
tylerwylie wrote:I think an ARM powered laptop could be amazing, I'd love a low Mhz low power fanless laptop. I think I could get by with <800MHZ on a work machine, although all I really need is bash, SSH, and e-mail.
The Nokia N810 runs on ARM and can do all of the above and more... It's widescreen though <_<

Yea, I'd like a machine like that but with a full sized keyboard, big-[censored] battery, and last me 10 hours.

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