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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#31 Post by dr_st » Thu May 02, 2013 6:58 am

I am currently in the process of investigating yet another ExpressCard adapter, with ASMedia chipset (this, among other things, is what delaying my USB3 review :)).

I'll see what conclusions I reach. If only I had a personal X220 to test it on. :?
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#32 Post by precip9 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:01 pm

I'm using the Renasas based Transcend card,
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Express ... xpresscard

on a W500 running W7, and a T400 running W8.

On the W500, the throughput is quite decent, CrystalMark ~90 MB/s, real world ~ 65MB/s

On the T400 with W8, real world ~ 15 MB/s, slower than USB 2.0 on the same machine.

The Renasas card was not originally recognized under W8, but a driver update this year fixed that. Unfortunately, it is so slow under W8, there is no reason to use the card.

The construction of the card is adequate IMHO, though it is practically necessary to plug/unplug the USB cable with the card removed from the machine. A 34mm card in a 54 mm slot is simply not rigid enough otherwise.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#33 Post by onupdatecascade » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:11 pm

dr_st - I signed up for the forum just to THANK YOU for this thread :-).

I have been struggling for some time with an x220 tablet, flush usb 3 express cards and nothing but dodgy, erratic behavior. I had not thought about power saving features at the PCI level because the symptoms didn't line up for me, but after reading this, changing the BIOS to disable power saving on PCI fixed the issue totally. Awesome.

Details in case someone else has this issue:

x220 tablet, Windows 8, both Startech and AKE NECXG USB3 Express cards (I bought another thinking the first was bad, but it looks like they have the same chip set. Turns out they both work fine). External USB 3 disk enclosure with a Crucial SSD, used for VHDs for a small VM lab.

Behavior with default BIOS settings:

Boot, then plug the Express card in - machine becomes sluggish, System process uses more CPU than normal, erratic mouse movement, stuttering sound.

Remove the card, machine works normally.

Put the card back in, but then reboot with it in place - everything works, including the card, external HDD.

Try to eject and then physically unplug the external hard drive from the express card, the card pops out of the laptop ('natch.) Junk, flimsy mechanical connection holding the card in has less grip than the USB plug. Result: same sluggish symptoms, slow mouse movement, stuttering sound.

Reboot, back to normal.

Sleep and then wake (or close and open) the machine with the card in causes the same problem.

Changing the BIOS setting for power saving on PCI seems to have solved the issue totally - I can plug and unplug the card, and the USB driver loads correctly and the machine works now (which is handy given the cards' tendency to pop out!)

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#34 Post by dr_st » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:44 pm

Hi onupdatecascade,

Glad this thread could help you. :)

Unfortunately you may be sacrificing quite a bit battery life with disabling all PCIe power management features.

If you find the battery life drop unacceptable, consider using an automatic script to run something like setpci and turn it off specifically for the ExpressCard root port.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#35 Post by onupdatecascade » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:19 pm

That might be a bit out of my depth (not a very accomplished hardware/driver guy :-). If the battery really becomes a problem I'll try to figure that out. Thanks again.

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#36 Post by FryPpy » Thu May 08, 2014 3:43 am

dr_st wrote:I am currently in the process of investigating yet another ExpressCard adapter, with ASMedia chipset (this, among other things, is what delaying my USB3 review :)).

I'll see what conclusions I reach. If only I had a personal X220 to test it on. :?
dr_st THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK!
But i haven't this problems at all. I have ASMedia USB3 / ESATA3 combo card (ESATA -> USB Hub -> ASMedia XHCI) AKE branded from China ;)

To examine your findings i have lspcied my T61 frankenpad with Middleton's BIOS... And ALL ASPM is disabled on PCIe root (for ExpressCard) and XHCI. I have rebooted and suspended | restored dozen times with card in notebook and all ok. This evening i'll test speed on my USB3 2.5" HDD. I can try to use SDD in USB3 enclosure to test for more agressive speed tests...

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And i want to test setpci to enable powersaving on this controller because i use it not wery often...

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#37 Post by dr_st » Thu May 08, 2014 3:57 am

Yes, from all the cards I tested, only the Renesas ones triggered ASPM on the root port. ASMedia/Fresco did not, so your findings are consistent with mine.

Furthermore, I suspect that if you try to enable ASPM (esp. L0s) on your ASMedia card, you will run into issues with it working at all.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#38 Post by Lockheed » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:15 am

@dr_st,

Could you give me a hand? I fail to set it properly on my card. The card's PCI ID is: 1912:0015

and so

lspci -vvv:

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00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Bus: primary=00, secondary=15, subordinate=18, sec-latency=32
	I/O behind bridge: 00005000-00008fff
	Memory behind bridge: fa000000-fc0fffff
	Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000f0000000-00000000f3ffffff
	Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
	BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- NoISA+ VGA- MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
		PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-
	Capabilities: [50] Subsystem: Lenovo Device 20f4



05:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
	Physical Slot: 3
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx+
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 19
	Region 0: Memory at f4800000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
	Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=375mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Capabilities: [70] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
	Capabilities: [90] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=0 offset=00001000
		PBA: BAR=0 offset=00001080
	Capabilities: [a0] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
		DevCap:	MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited
			ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset-
		DevCtl:	Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-
			RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+
			MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
		DevSta:	CorrErr+ UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq+ AuxPwr+ TransPend-
		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <4us, L1 unlimited
			ClockPM+ Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot-
		LnkCtl:	ASPM L0s L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- CommClk+
			ExtSynch- ClockPM+ AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
		LnkSta:	Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x1, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Not Supported, TimeoutDis+, LTR+, OBFF Not Supported
		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis-, LTR-, OBFF Disabled
		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -3.5dB, EqualizationComplete-, EqualizationPhase1-
			 EqualizationPhase2-, EqualizationPhase3-, LinkEqualizationRequest-
	Capabilities: [100 v1] Advanced Error Reporting
		UESta:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq+ ACSViol-
		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
		UESvrt:	DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
		CESta:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr+
		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr-
		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 14, GenCap- CGenEn- ChkCap- ChkEn-
	Capabilities: [150 v1] Latency Tolerance Reporting
		Max snoop latency: 0ns
		Max no snoop latency: 0ns
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: xhci_hcd
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lspci -d 1912:0015 -xxx
05:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 02)
00: 12 19 15 00 06 05 10 00 02 30 03 0c 10 00 00 00
10: 04 00 80 f4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff
30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0b 01 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 01 70 c3 c9 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 30 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 24 20 00
70: 05 90 86 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90: 11 a0 07 80 00 10 00 00 80 10 00 00 00 00 00 00
a0: 10 00 02 00 c0 8f 00 00 00 28 19 00 12 ec 07 00
b0: 43 01 11 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
c0: 00 00 00 00 10 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
d0: 02 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 01 05 12 30 ef 00
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
therefore I verify it:

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setpci -d 1912:0015 50.b
01
and so I change it and verify

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# setpci -d 1912:0015 50.b=42
# setpci -d 1912:0015 50.b
01
but the change never occurs.

What am I doing wrong?
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#39 Post by dr_st » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:03 pm

You are not supposed to do it on the card, but rather on the PCIe root port that the card sits under.

You can run lspci -t to verify. It will look like this (this is from my desktop, so the details are different):

C:\>lspci
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 1
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 6
03:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03)

( I removed all the devices except the root ports and the USB3 controller)

C:\>lspci -t
-[0000:00]-+-00.0
+-01.0-[01]--+-00.0
| \-00.1
+-1a.0
+-1a.1
+-1a.2
+-1a.7
+-1c.0-[03]----00.0
+-1c.5-[02]----00.0
+-1d.0
+-1d.1
+-1d.2
+-1d.7
+-1e.0-[04]--+-00.0
| +-01.0
| \-03.0
+-1f.0
+-1f.2
\-1f.3


This tells you that the device on Bus:Device.Function 3:0.0 (which is the USB3 controller in my case) sits under device 0:1c.0 (which in my case is PCIe root port 1).

So in my case I would do:

setpci -s 0:1c.0 50.b

And if it comes back as 43 (L0s/L1 Enabled), I would change it:
setpci -s 0:1c.0 50.b=42

If you also which to change the settings on the controller itself, then the offset is not 0x50, but 0xB0 (check the -xxx printout).

So it would be:

setpci -d 1912:0015 b0.b=42
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#40 Post by Lockheed » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:29 pm

Alright, I think I have it working. Thanks.
dr_st wrote:If you also which to change the settings on the controller itself, then the offset is not 0x50, but 0xB0 (check the -xxx printout).
But why would I want to change the setting on the controller (you mean the USB card itself?) if the only one important is on the Intel bridge?
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#41 Post by dr_st » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:31 pm

Lockheed wrote:But why would I want to change the setting on the controller (you mean the USB card itself?) if the only one important is on the Intel bridge?
I see no reason why you should, at least for the issue described here.

I've seen some other issues with this card (mostly talking about the terrible lag on Sandy Bridge system) where it felt like I really had to change the settings on both ends, otherwise they kept coming back. But I haven't investigated it fully.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#42 Post by MarkScott » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:55 am

Thanks a lot for this thread. It confirms that I was right to suspect that the generic USB3 Expresscard I've had in my X220 was the cause of intermittent, severe system, mouse and keyboard slowdowns and freezes under Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit. My fix is that I will simply leave the card out of the slot unless I actually need to use it - I've only one USB3 drive that I use for occasional backups.

If anyone's interested, the card I have is a 54mm one, with two USB3 slots and a power outlet jack between them. lspci provides the following info:
05:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042 SuperSpeed USB Host Controller (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
	Subsystem: Device 174c:2104
	Physical Slot: 1
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 19
	Region 0: Memory at f1c00000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) 
	Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
	Capabilities: [68] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked-
		Vector table: BAR=0 offset=00002000
		PBA: BAR=0 offset=00002080
	Capabilities: [78] Power Management version 3
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold-)
		Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Capabilities: [80] Express (v2) Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
		DevCap:	MaxPayload 512 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <64ns, L1 <2us
			ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset-
		DevCtl:	Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-
			RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+
			MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
		DevSta:	CorrErr+ UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr- TransPend-
		LnkCap:	Port #1, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited
			ClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot-
		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- CommClk+
			ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
		LnkSta:	Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Not Supported, TimeoutDis-, LTR-, OBFF Not Supported
		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis-, LTR-, OBFF Disabled
		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB, EqualizationComplete-, EqualizationPhase1-
			 EqualizationPhase2-, EqualizationPhase3-, LinkEqualizationRequest-
	Capabilities: [100 v1] Virtual Channel
		Caps:	LPEVC=0 RefClk=100ns PATEntryBits=1
		Arb:	Fixed- WRR32- WRR64- WRR128-
		Ctrl:	ArbSelect=Fixed
		Status:	InProgress-
		VC0:	Caps:	PATOffset=00 MaxTimeSlots=1 RejSnoopTrans-
			Arb:	Fixed- WRR32- WRR64- WRR128- TWRR128- WRR256-
			Ctrl:	Enable+ ID=0 ArbSelect=Fixed TC/VC=ff
			Status:	NegoPending- InProgress-
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd

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#43 Post by dr_st » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:40 pm

That's interesting information. Previously I encountered such symptoms only on Renesas cards, not ASMedia. But I think the reason was that only Renesas was, for some reason, turning L0s on by default. If I turned it on manually for the ASMedia, strange things did happen. It is possible, I guess, that on Ubuntu, the driver messes with the L-states from time to time, causing the issues you have been experiencing, although without further investigation I cannot pinpoint the issue.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#44 Post by turbo9000 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:43 pm

This is confirmed to work with a no-name Renesas upd720202 under 64-bit Windows 7 on a T520. Funny enough, before this fix, the adapter wouldn't provide enough juice to spin up an external HD in an unpowered USB enclosure. Post-fix it powers up just fine.

With the T520, the relevant bus is 00:1c.3

Startup command: setpci -s 00:1c.3 50.b=42 (sure enough it was 43 before the command was run)

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#45 Post by artic_squirrel » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:41 am

I have several question due to a lack of knowledge. I came here in order to enable aspm features so that I can save a few watts, both while plugged in and on battery. I run server2012 on a x201. I learnt that aspm is not enabled on windows with the famous error, from powercfg -energy
Platform Power Management Capabilities:PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) Disabled
PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) has been disabled due to a known incompatibility with the hardware in this computer.
the solution is here, but I do not want to install grub, because I do not want to have another bootloader and all, at least not before I try solutions not involving this install.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... on.606100/

In this thread, you try to disable aspm, but I think I can learn a few things from it, because I have also a AKE card with chipset NEC Renesas uPD720202.
The card was furnished with a cd for the drivers, but windwos 2012 managed to install its own drivers.
this is the list of files on the CD from the vendor
http://abload.de/image.php?img=listefic ... ek3rpc.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=renesasd ... 03xpyd.png
my first question is : should I install the drivers from the vendor or just use the driver from windows or even newer drivers ?

with the driver from windows, I have the following speed
http://abload.de/image.php?img=patriotu ... d8fo1y.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=patriotu ... 2nto1i.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=zalmanus ... so4pjj.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=seagateu ... eqkpwk.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=seagateu ... e1erxg.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=seagateu ... fzqrp2.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=lacieusb ... fdyo5p.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=lacieusb ... fgtobl.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=lacieusb ... e10p89.png

Are they normal/expected ? Can they be better ?

Next, I want to enable this L1/L0 thing for the express card, to see how much the performance decreases and how much power I save.
How can I do this ? How do I calculate the value to enter to enable/disable the L1/L0 feature?

Next, I want to enable L1/L0 for all pcie devices listed by lspci -nn
it turns out that the devices for which L0/L1 are not enabled are
05:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1912:0015] (rev 02)
and
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1 [8086:3b42] (rev 06)

but apparently, the setting is lost after standby, which I use a lot. People say that RWEverything or that egup setup can do this, like here http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... st-7759675
but I have no idea what to do.

this is the overview of the config with the expresscard plugged in. It seems that it must be the root which must have l0/L1 disabled or enabled., but mine is already enabled and yet I do not seem to get the lack of speed...

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C:\Windows\System32>lspci -t
-[0000:00]-+-00.0
           +-02.0
           +-16.0
           +-19.0
           +-1a.0
           +-1b.0
           +-1c.0-[0d]--
           +-1c.3-[05-0c]----00.0
           +-1c.4-[02]----00.0
           +-1d.0
           +-1e.0-[0e]--
           +-1f.0
           +-1f.2
           +-1f.3
           \-1f.6

C:\Windows\System32>lspci -nn
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller [8086:0044] (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller [8086:3b64] (rev 06)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10ea] (rev 06)
00:1a.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [8086:3b3c] (rev 06)
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1 [8086:3b42] (rev 06)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 4 [8086:3b48] (rev 06)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 5 [8086:3b4a] (rev 06)
00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [8086:3b34] (rev 06)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev a6)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation QM57 Chipset LPC Interface Controller [8086:3b07] (rev 06)
00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 6 port SATA AHCI Controller [8086:3b2f] (rev 06)
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus Controller [8086:3b30] (rev 06)
00:1f.6 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem [8086:3b32] (rev 06)
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 [8086:4239] (rev 35)
05:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1912:0015] (rev 02)


this is the root port 1 which does not have the aspm enabled

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C:\Windows\System32>lspci -d 8086:3b42 -xxx
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev 06)
00: 86 80 42 3b 04 01 10 00 06 00 04 06 10 00 81 00
10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0d 0d 00 f0 00 00 20
20: f0 ff 00 00 f1 ff 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30: 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 01 04 00
40: 10 80 42 01 00 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 11 4c 11 01
50: 00 00 01 10 00 b2 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 00 00 00 00 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70: 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80: 05 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90: 0d a0 00 00 aa 17 64 21 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
a0: 01 00 02 c8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
d0: 00 10 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 11 00 00 00 00 00
e0: 00 00 00 00 06 07 08 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 87 0f 07 08 00 00 00 00
this is the expresscard which does not have the aspm enabled

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C:\Windows\System32>lspci -d 1912:0015 -xxx
05:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 02)
00: 12 19 15 00 06 05 10 00 02 30 03 0c 10 00 00 00
10: 04 00 f0 f1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff
30: 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 01 70 c3 c9 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 30 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 20 20 00
70: 05 90 86 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90: 11 a0 07 80 00 10 00 00 80 10 00 00 00 00 00 00
a0: 10 00 02 00 c0 8f 00 00 00 28 19 00 12 ec 07 00
b0: 00 00 11 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
c0: 00 00 00 00 10 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
d0: 02 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 01 05 13 20 c2 00
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
I have run the commands

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setpci -s 0:1c.0 50.b=43
>setpci -d 1912:0015 b0.b=43
to enable L1, but even after a powercfg -energy, I still get this
Platform Power Management Capabilities:PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) Disabled
PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) has been disabled due to a known incompatibility with the hardware in this computer.


there is also something odd, because my audio chip has no asmp feature reported
is this normal ?

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00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
        Subsystem: Lenovo Device 215e
        Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
        Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
        Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 17
        Region 0: Memory at f2520000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
                Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
        Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
                Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
        Capabilities: [70] Express (v1) Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
                DevCap: MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0
                        ExtTag- RBE-
                DevCtl: Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-
                        RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+
                        MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytes
                DevSta: CorrErr- UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr+ TransPend-

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#46 Post by artic_squirrel » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:30 am

okay so it is even worse because it does work, but it reinitializes the setting:
I run the command

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setpci -d 1912:0015 b0.b=43
and I loose 0.5 watt ! on battery.
But if I unplug and replug the card, the setting is back at

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00
and I must run again the command to gain battery life...

with the drivers RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-30230 from renesas, my usb key has quadrule write speeds
http://abload.de/image.php?img=ss2016-1 ... 2m6s1f.png

the other drives have the same speeds or a bit better

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#47 Post by artic_squirrel » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:51 am

I updated the firmware from 2020 to 2026, without much difference in speeds.
however, I notice that the device manager do not eject the card when I remove it from the taskbar.
In the device manager, the renesas host control get a yellow mark and stays there, even after the card is physically removed.
the problem is then that the next time the card is plugged in, the card is not recognized and I must plugged it out, then plugged it in to get it seen by windows.
anybody has this issue?

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#48 Post by artic_squirrel » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:15 am

I put in the path the address of the pciutils, but I get the error, in the prompt

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D:\pgm\pciutils-3.4.0-win64>lspci
pcilib: i386-io-windows: IO library initialization failed. Try running from an elevated command prompt.

lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
and in the event viewer

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The DirectIO driver service failed to start due to the following error: 
The system cannot find the file specified.
okay so the solution is to run as admin

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sc delete driverIO
then to delete any key with driver.sys

I do not know why there is a sudden corruption like this, but deleting the service works.

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#49 Post by dr_st » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:27 pm

You mean

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sc delete DirectIO
The only thing I can guess is that for some reason the service "thinks" that the file should not be where it was created and it "remembers" the wrong path until you delete it.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [ROOT-CAUSED]

#50 Post by BigCatAndy » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:21 pm

Hallo
dr_st wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:55 am
The issue has been root-caused, and there is a solution (or a workaround, if you will).

...
nearly exactly 10 years later I have similar issue with his Express card by Renesas. My system is R61 with modified BIOS (no white list, SATA2 enabled). Thanks a lot for your explanation, but I have one question for your solution: should one apply it ONLY if laptop boots with card inserted, or in any case? I mean, I do not need this card permanently inserted into laptop. So, will it work if I just insert it when needed, after laptop has already booted?

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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#51 Post by dr_st » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:48 pm

BigCatAndy wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:21 pm
Thanks a lot for your explanation, but I have one question for your solution: should one apply it ONLY if laptop boots with card inserted, or in any case? I mean, I do not need this card permanently inserted into laptop. So, will it work if I just insert it when needed, after laptop has already booted?
Re-reading my first post, it seems the workaround is not needed if the laptop has not been booted with the card inserted.
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Re: ExpressCard USB3 adapters - read speed issue [SOLVED]

#52 Post by BigCatAndy » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:48 pm

Hello
dr_st wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:48 pm
Re-reading my first post, it seems the workaround is not needed if the laptop has not been booted with the card inserted.
thanks a lot, you confirm what I understood from your explanation.

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