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Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

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Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#1 Post by Pan-optical » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:01 pm

As we know the aging PIII does not have SSE2 instruction support which means that software compiled for these instructions does not run or crash unexpectedly. MY T23 1GB is the last machine affected by this, as the P4 in the T30 has SSE2.

This affects modern Firefox after v48(?) and modern Chrome which do not run or crash on a T23 and earlier.

Options? You could compile it yourself but that's beyond the scope of most users.

Only option I have so far is a homebrew-compiled version of Pale-moon, itself an offshoot of Firefox (Windows X86 32bit only)
https://www.romanstefko.com/pale-moon-sse/

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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#2 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:20 pm

Why are you trying to use a P3 in 2018 to browse the web? Thats the first problem. Without SSE2, performance will be abysmal at best.
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#3 Post by Pan-optical » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:58 pm

Looking around I found these:

Last Firefox version is 45.9.0 ESR, last release April 2017: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox ... esr/win32/

A homebrew FF derivative called New Moon from Feb 2018: http://matejhorvat.si/en/unfiled/pmxp/index.htm

There is also a lightweight QTWeb browser, which I did not test: http://www.qtweb.net/about.html

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#4 Post by shawross » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:39 am

Pan-optical wrote:Why are you trying to use a P3 in 2018 to browse the web?
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#5 Post by Pan-optical » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:19 am

What has the age of the laptop to do with the ability to navigate the web and download old drivers, retro-games, demos, shareware, old software etc? How else would you get this?

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#6 Post by astroidea » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:49 pm

A P3 laptop is probably less powerful than a $20 smartphone on eBay. :mrgreen:

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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#7 Post by Thinkpad4by3 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:46 pm

Pan-optical wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:19 am
What has the age of the laptop to do with the ability to navigate the web and download old drivers, retro-games, demos, shareware, old software etc? How else would you get this?
VirtualPC 2007 and a modern PC.
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#8 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:00 pm

I do have FireFox 48.0.2 and Windows 7 installed on my maxed out T23 and A30p. They work just fine, if you only open a few tabs, install adblocker and also keep the browser debloated, and max out RAM. Of course, if you expect them to run like a brand new Lamborghini instead of a functional Volkswagen, go for Windows 2000 or Linux.
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#9 Post by micrex22 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:08 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:00 pm
I do have FireFox 48.0.2 and Windows 7 installed on my maxed out T23 and A30p. They work just fine, if you only open a few tabs, install adblocker and also keep the browser debloated, and max out RAM. Of course, if you expect them to run like a brand new Lamborghini instead of a functional Volkswagen, go for Windows 2000 or Linux.
W2K is a huge security risk, I wouldn't run any old NT--unless you're not dealing with any sensitive data and don't care about privacy or security on it (which is fair).

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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#10 Post by jaspen-meyer » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 am

Either use the dated version of Palemoon you linked to, or compile it yourself.
The alternatives I use are not full-featured: links2, dillo, lynx, etc.

Powerusers can zip around the internet on a T23 with 1gb of ram.
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#11 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:02 pm

micrex22 wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:08 pm
W2K is a huge security risk, I wouldn't run any old NT--unless you're not dealing with any sensitive data and don't care about privacy or security on it (which is fair).
True that. But honestly it doesn't interfere too much other than making yourself worried for many ppl. And yes I am the kind of person who cares about privacy or security the least, and I do have a device with strong password, VPN, and doesn't leave my home's doors if I ever need that. I for one won't even set a password to my laptop and smartphone if it doesn't have a fingerprint sensor - not even picture password, facial scanning or pattern.
At the same time, I do know there are ppl who are more sensitive to these kinds of things. And to those ppl, I think using a T6x for such purposes make so much more sense.
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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#12 Post by ThinkTwinki » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:38 pm

jaspen-meyer wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 am
Either use the dated version of Palemoon you linked to, or compile it yourself.
The alternatives I use are not full-featured: links2, dillo, lynx, etc.

Powerusers can zip around the internet on a T23 with 1gb of ram.
Give some love to W3M. It's got pictures!

OP:

I think the biggest issue you're gonna have is Javascript. The modern web is trying to reach an equilibrium where there's no "wasted resources." Javascript is pretty much the only reason (besides really bad browser implementations) that systems freeze once enough tabs are open. As long as you've disabled it (NoScript) or compiled without support for a Javascript engine, you should be fine with Chromium. I've found the each tab is a thread/process to be superior on UNIX derivatives, as long as there's no Javascript not letting threads sleep!

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Re: Internet browser for T23 and older without SSE2 (Pentium III)

#13 Post by ThinkTwinki » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:39 pm

ThinkTwinki wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:38 pm
jaspen-meyer wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 am
Either use the dated version of Palemoon you linked to, or compile it yourself.
The alternatives I use are not full-featured: links2, dillo, lynx, etc.

Powerusers can zip around the internet on a T23 with 1gb of ram.
Give some love to W3M. It's got pictures!

OP:

I think the biggest issue you're gonna have is Javascript. The modern web is trying to reach an equilibrium where there's no "wasted resources." Javascript is pretty much the only reason (besides really bad browser implementations) that systems freeze once enough tabs are open. As long as you've disabled it (NoScript) or compiled without support for a Javascript engine, you should be fine with Chromium. I've found the "each tab is a thread/process" to be superior on UNIX derivatives, as long as there's no Javascript not letting threads sleep!

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