PATA, SATA drives, what's the deal here ?

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PATA, SATA drives, what's the deal here ?

#1 Post by marcos » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:19 pm

I understand that the thinkpads are now using SATA drives. Since I'm not familiar anymore with PC hardware, I have a couple of questions... Aren't SATA the drives with a smaller cable, often bright colored ?
Which thinkpads are using them, and how ?
T440s OK so far.
T420s NVIDIA graphics. Nice, then MB failure.
T400s Workhorse. two of'em, both faulty display with vertical stripes.
T43 °very nice° - MB reflown and dead, two of'em.
T42 15°, dead onboard wireless.
T40, dead memory slot, stolen from me
T30, stolen from me
TP600 dead

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#2 Post by rkawakami » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:45 pm

PATA=Parallel ATA. Large, wide, ribbon cable. Transfers data over many different wires.

SATA=Serial ATA. Small, thin, cable. Transfers data over a couple of wires.

About the only place I know where you can get information about many different current Thinkpads in one document is:

tabook.pdf

Older systems are covered in this document:

tawbook.pdf
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#3 Post by marcos » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:46 pm

Ok, my understanding is that only newer T60, Z60, X60 actually use SATA drives.
For all the others, the support is limited the intel chipset that has, and no physical SATA disk can be connected - maybe with a docking station ?
Hence is there now a different 2nd HDD adapter for SATA drives ?
T440s OK so far.
T420s NVIDIA graphics. Nice, then MB failure.
T400s Workhorse. two of'em, both faulty display with vertical stripes.
T43 °very nice° - MB reflown and dead, two of'em.
T42 15°, dead onboard wireless.
T40, dead memory slot, stolen from me
T30, stolen from me
TP600 dead

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#4 Post by rkawakami » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:53 pm

marcos wrote:Hence is there now a different 2nd HDD adapter for SATA drives ?
A simple Yahoo! search using "ibm sata adapter ultrabay" yielded this (among others):

http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/467614/rss

The part number referenced in the story, 40Y8725, also finds hits in a search engine.
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#5 Post by christopher_wolf » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:57 pm

There are some exceptions; models like the T43, R52 (shares the same mobo as the T43), and the X41/Tablet use PATA drives but with SATA controllers and a SATA-PATA crossover bridge.

For the T60, if I remember correctly, they can take the older 2nd HDD adapters which would handle PATA drives as well as the newer ones which can take SATA drives as well. More than just a tad confusing when first come upon. There are some threads about it in the T60 forum. :)
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#6 Post by GomJabbar » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:26 pm

You can also get a wealth of information from the following site.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
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#7 Post by tomh009 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:25 pm

rkawakami wrote: A simple Yahoo! search using "ibm sata adapter ultrabay" yielded this (among others):

http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/467614/rss

The part number referenced in the story, 40Y8725, also finds hits in a search engine.
But, in the end, why bother? The underlying drive mechanics and electronics are identical, with the interface the only difference -- and hence they also have identical performance. So if you are buying a new drive, just buy one with the interface that matches the one on your ThinkPad.

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