okay, the last stretch in T42p/T43p decision...

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pointfielder · #1 Post by **pointfielder** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:03 pm

Hi guys,

Help me choose between:

T42p 2373-HVU 1.8GHz 1GB Ram 15inch UXGA Combo Drive IBM Atheros 5001X+ ABG
128MB ATI T2 = (EPP Price: $1988+TX)

T43p 2668H8U 2.13GHz 1GB Ram 15inch UXGA DVD Multi Burner IBM Atheros 5004X ABG
128MB ATI FireGL = (EPP Price: $2488+TX)

I plan on keeping the machine for 4-5 years.

Tough call for me!

Thanks!

dukajoe · #2 Post by **dukajoe** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:18 pm

Wow, I'm mad. I got quoted the H8U for $2655, EPP. I wonder whats up with that? I'm in the last stretch in my decision as well, and I'm 90% leaning towards the 43P. I think that it is not necessarily $500 better than 42, but because of the video card, ram speed, and fast hard drive ect, I think it will have another year, year and a half of longevity, and will perform better on the new windows.

dukajoe · #3 Post by **dukajoe** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:22 pm

Also, as we speak, my IBM guy is putting together an T43p 2687-EJU configuration for a quote. Although the custom models are a bit more expensive, this model has the 2.0 ghz rather than the 2.13. The peformance difference is slight, but the price difference is much, much steeper. Intel has always made their top of the line current processors overpriced slightly. I think that getting the 2.0 ghz on the T43p is essential if you want it to be competatively priced with a T42. Also from what I hear, the screens on the T43p's look better than on the T42s.

pointfielder · #4 Post by **pointfielder** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:28 pm

Hi Dukajoe,

I am not attached to 2.13GHz, just that this is the only model with everything else I wanted.

I am really curious about EJU. I believe it is an express open bay model. Where can I find all
its detailed specs, as they are not mentioned in TABOOK? If you have them,
do you mind sending them to me? Also how do you get it configured?

Thanks very much!

emorphien · #5 Post by **emorphien** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:46 pm

[censored], our education pricing sucks! The H8U according to the personal pages is $3,331.23. I feel like my personal pages must be busted, I don't think they're cutting me any deals here. Either that or they're just a hell of a lot worse than they were before.

@ IBM

Great products at competitive prices!

Oh really?

chbone · #6 Post by **chbone** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:58 pm

2687EJU Technical specifications
Product Description IBM ThinkPad T43p 2687 - Pentium M 760 2 GHz - 15" TFT
Dimensions (WxDxH) 3 13 in x 10.6 in x 1.4 in
Weight 2 5.7 lbs
Localization United States
System Type Notebook
Built-in Devices Stereo speakers, wireless LAN antenna, fingerprint reader, ThinkLight, Bluetooth antenna
Processor 1 Intel Pentium M 760 2 GHz
Cache Memory 2 MB - L2 cache
RAM 0 MB (installed) / 2 GB (max) - DDR II SDRAM - PC2-4200 - 533 MHz
Display 15" TFT active matrix UXGA (1600 x 1200)
Graphics Controller ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V3200 - 128 MB
Audio Output Sound card
Telecom 4 Fax / modem - CDC - 56 Kbps
Networking Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth
Input Device Keyboard, TrackPoint, UltraNav
Power AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Battery Lithium ion
Manufacturer Warranty 3 years warranty
Extended specifications
General
System Type Notebook
Built-in Devices Stereo speakers, wireless LAN antenna, fingerprint reader, ThinkLight, Bluetooth antenna
Width 13 in
Depth 10.6 in
Height 1.4 in
Weight 5.7 lbs
Localization United States
Processor
Processor Intel Pentium M 760 2 GHz
Data Bus Speed 533 MHz
Features Enhanced SpeedStep technology
Chipset Type Mobile Intel 915PM Express
Cache Memory
Type L2 cache
Installed Size 2 MB
RAM
Installed Size 0 MB / 2 GB (max)
Technology DDR II SDRAM - 533 MHz
Memory Specification Compliance PC2-4200
Storage
Storage Controller IDE
Display
Display Type 15" TFT active matrix - IPS
Max Resolution 1600 x 1200
Features FlexView
Video
Graphics Processor / Vendor ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V3200 - PCI Express x16
Video Memory DDR SDRAM - 128 MB
Max Resolution (external) 2048 x 1536
Audio
Audio Output Sound card
Audio Codec AD1981B
Compliant Standards DirectSound, AC '97
Audio Input Microphone
Input Device(s)
Type Keyboard, TrackPoint, UltraNav
Telecom
Modem Fax / modem - CDC
Max Transfer Rate 56 Kbps
Protocols & Specifications ITU V.90
Features V.92 upgradable
Networking
Networking Network adapter
Data Link Protocol Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth
Remote Management Protocol DMI 2.0, CIM
Compliant Standards IrDA 1.1
Expansion / Connectivity
Expansion Bays 1 x front accessible
Expansion Slots Total (Free) 2 ( 2 ) x memory - SO DIMM 200-pin ª 1 ( 1 ) x CardBus - type I/II ª 1 ( 1 ) x ExpressCard - 54mm
Interfaces 2 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A ª 1 x parallel - IEEE 1284 (EPP/ECP) - 25 pin D-Sub (DB-25) ª 1 x display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) ª 1 x infrared - IrDA ª 1 x modem - phone line - RJ-11 ª 1 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - RJ-45 ª 1 x display / video - S-video output - 4 pin mini-DIN ª 1 x microphone - input - mini-phone 3.5 mm ª 1 x headphones - output - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm ª 1 x docking / port replicator - 240 pin docking
Miscellaneous
Features Locking device keyhole (cable lock), administrator password, power-on password, IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0
Compliant Standards ACPI 2.0, ACPI 1.0b, CE, MPR II, BSMI, cUL, EPA Energy Star, NOM, VCCI-II, UL 60950, CB, FCC Part 15 B, CCC, MIC, AS/NZS 3548
Pricing Type IBM Think Express / Open Bay
Power
Power Device External
Voltage Required AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Battery
Technology Lithium ion
Installed Qty 0 / 2 (max)
Manufacturer Warranty
Service & Support 3 years warranty
Service & Support Details Limited warranty - parts and labor - 3 years ª Limited warranty - battery - 1 year
Environmental Parameters
Min Operating Temperature 41 ¦F
Max Operating Temperature 95 ¦F
Humidity Range Operating 8 - 95%
Sound Emission 31 dB
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dukajoe · #7 Post by **dukajoe** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:04 pm

Yeah, what I've learned from dealing with IBM is that it is most effective to deal with a human. I'm going to grad school @ alabama, and I have a representative, who, represents a certain number or category of schools, I suppose. It is strange how some peoples pricing is more or less than others, I dont understand how that works exactly. Still, I knew more about the models and their numbers than my rep did, and certainly a lot more about computers in general, so I had to tell him about the EJU. I learned about these particular hard to find models from the link that was in that sticky post from a long time ago--something like "before you configure your t43..." Anyone else remeber that? The link to those personal pages or someone else's personal pages should be posted somewhere, so that all of us can have a reference. Anyways, there is not one method to get your thinkpad configured; I had to use a combination of methods to recieve quotes. BTW, dont use that configuration program they have on their website; it sucks.

emorphien · #8 Post by **emorphien** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:08 pm

dukajoe wrote:Yeah, what I've learned from dealing with IBM is that it is most effective to deal with a human. I'm going to grad school @ alabama, and I have a representative, who, represents a certain number or category of schools, I suppose. It is strange how some peoples pricing is more or less than others, I dont understand how that works exactly. Still, I knew more about the models and their numbers than my rep did, and certainly a lot more about computers in general, so I had to tell him about the EJU. I learned about these particular hard to find models from the link that was in that sticky post from a long time ago--something like "before you configure your t43..." Anyone else remeber that? The link to those personal pages or someone else's personal pages should be posted somewhere, so that all of us can have a reference. Anyways, there is not one method to get your thinkpad configured; I had to use a combination of methods to recieve quotes. BTW, dont use that configuration program they have on their website; it sucks.

Ok, yeah now I want to find an EJU with 14.1" screen, exactly like the one that was just posted, just a 14.1" screen. Where is the list of these "open" models? Or do you have the "open bay" model number for a 14.1 SXGA+ screen?

Also, is there any way to tell (without calling) if that EJU model has the active hard drive protection system? It seems I can custom config that model on my personal page and the price is really good. It doesn't like me adding the enhanced warranties because I'm an educational customer, but it seems it will let me order it. If it has the hard drive system I may put through an order sooner than I thought. I can live with 15"

pointfielder · #9 Post by **pointfielder** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:43 am

These links were posted by Roisin in the really long T43 Discussion
thread: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162
They contain all available T43/T43p models including the open
bay ones. Although the specs are not very detailed and may even
have some typos.

-----EXPRESS MODELS-------
Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers
include a three-year warranty and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-023.PDF

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook feature new
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 chipset
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/ ... 05-029.PDF

Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 and T43p notebook
computers include a three-year warranty
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/ ... 05-027.PDF

New Think Express models of the IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/ ... 05-033.PDF

-----STANDARD MODELS-----(hopefully with 35% epp discount)
New IBM ThinkPad T43p notebooks — Perfect balance of performance and
portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebooks offer perfect balance of performance
and portability
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers offer fingerprint reader on
selected models and the new Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/ ... 05-032.PDF

chbone, can you share where you got the detailed specs for the
open bay model EJU?

does anyone know what parts can be configured/added in the open bay models?

Thanks!

emorphien · #10 Post by **emorphien** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:39 am

I'm right on the edge of ordering an EJU. I'll prob get it with 256 RAM and order upgrades from Crucial since it's way cheaper. As soon as I get an answer from the NY state guy about it I'll probably order.

I just wish I could double check that it has the active hard drive system, but I don't see info on that anywhere.

asiafish · #11 Post by **asiafish** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:37 am

All T42 and T43 machines have the active hard drive protection, its built into the systemboards.

emorphien · #12 Post by **emorphien** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:40 am

asiafish wrote:All T42 and T43 machines have the active hard drive protection, its built into the systemboards.

Yeah I've got that figured out now I guess. Their website just used to say "select models" and that's what had me confused. Tabook talks like its on everything though.

dukajoe · #13 Post by **dukajoe** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:44 am

Bleh I want the EJU, but my IBM guy *still* hasnt emailed me back with a [censored] quote

emorphien · #14 Post by **emorphien** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:56 am

dukajoe wrote:Bleh I want the EJU, but my IBM guy *still* hasnt emailed me back with a [censored] quote

I configured it online, but I think I might call him in a couple hours since I haven't heard back.

pointfielder · #15 Post by **pointfielder** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:17 pm

hi emorphien,

where did you configure your EJU?
i can't find it anywhere on ibm/lenovo website.

thanks!

emorphien · #16 Post by **emorphien** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:59 pm

pointfielder wrote:hi emorphien,

where did you configure your EJU?
i can't find it anywhere on ibm/lenovo website.

thanks!

In the personal pages I chose the EJU and then "Add Options" and it lets me add hdd, Optical, RAM, wifi, etc.

pointfielder · #17 Post by **pointfielder** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:23 pm

hi emorphien,
can you send me the link to personal pages to configure one of those
open bay models? i cannot find the link.
thanks.

okay, the last stretch in T42p/T43p decision...

okay, the last stretch in T42p/T43p decision...

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