New SSD opt. for T4x : mSATA-to-IDE adapter ST663FD9 *PICS*

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jmudrick · #241 Post by **jmudrick** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:18 pm

I'm not sure why the t43 would be unique. As I said the master jumper now comes properly set from the manufacturer. I don't imagine a Windows install would be as smooth as it was on Lubuntu, pretty much everything was [censored] up under Windows 7.

dshin198 · #242 Post by **dshin198** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:21 pm

Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum, and Johan has kindly invited me to share my experience on this topic.

I have successfully installed my T42(p) with Crucial M550 128GB mSATA SSD w/Aleratec mSATA-to-PATA Adapter(Mavell Controller), and I wanted to share as much information as possible to help out anybody else considering this upgrade to T42/p.

Here is the summery of the configuration:
-T42 2.0GHz, 14.1" SXGA+, 2GB RAM, 128MB FireGL T2, TP-Link b/g/n, Running LM17.2 (kernel 3.16), 32bit, Encrypted

- Crucial M550, using Alleratec adapter is in the main HDD bay

- I did not come across any issues fresh installing LM17.1(kernel 3.13) initially, and I update to LM17.2 and kernel 3.16 using the update manager without any problem.

It runs smoothly, and it boots/wakes up seamlessly without any glitch. Fresh installed LM17.1 worked without any big issues. Driver's were set automatically, and the system was up and running as my daily machine the next day.

- Johan has asked about the topic of heat on Crucial M550 - it is somewhat warm, but it is not warmer than my usual experience with HDD. It runs bit cooler than the original 80GB HDD, and I've had much worse experience with palmrest heat issue on X61 with its wireless adapter.

- This is about where my experience ends. TRIM is not enabled by default on LM17.x, and I did not bother as the most of 128GB stays empty at the moment.

If anybody has any questions that I can answer with my current setup, I'll be happy to help you! Any benchmark program to run on Linux system? Please let me know!

--
Dan S.

#243 Post by **Johan** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:17 am

Thanks very much for sharing all your experience, Dan - absolutely and certainly appreciated!

I am glad to see that this thread still being alive and well; both with its read-count steadily increasing, and also with new contributions... so anyone else also having tried mSATA SSD's in a T4x/p, please come forward and share your experience as well!

BTW, the reason why I asked about Dan's observation of whether his Crucial M550 mSATA SSD would run more or less hot, is an earlier remark made in this thread:

... in [url=http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=741992#p741992][u][color=blue]this post[/color][/u][/url] where ajkula66 wrote: ... it was mentioned that the Crucial M500 and M550 mSATA SSD's have been reported to run quite warm in the mSATA format.

Has anyone else perhaps also noticed this, in a T42 or in other machines?

I became aware of Dan having a T42p with a mSATA SSD from seing his advertisement the Marketplace, where I yesterday saw that it is being offered for sale... in this post. Good luck with the sale, Dan, and thanks again for you being so kind to share your experience.

Johan

ajkula66 · #244 Post by **ajkula66** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:26 am

Johan wrote:
... in [url=http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=741992#p741992][u][color=blue]this post[/color][/u][/url] where ajkula66 wrote: ... it was mentioned that the Crucial M500 and M550 mSATA SSD's have been reported to run quite warm in the mSATA format.
Has anyone else perhaps also noticed this, in a T42 or in other machines?

I'm still waiting to hear more on T42/p, but it has most definitely been observed in *numerous* other systems:

http://forums.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SS ... d-p/150690
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSD ... d-p/152140
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... ot.734348/
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSD ... d-p/150234
http://www.overclock.net/t/1488640/msat ... unning-hot

And there's a lot more...

#245 Post by **Johan** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:55 pm

It seems that there's a (at least: Partial) fix to the "high temperature of some mSATA SSD's in T4x/p's"... see the thread T42 temperature with high Crucial CT128M550ssd3 Built in HDD Caddy (the original tread, in German, is here).

Has any of the forum.thinkpads.com users tried this, and if so, with what result?

BTW, I also just found a Japanese (!) Windows XP benchmark of the Crucial M550 mSATA SSD (in a T42), but I couldn't quite figure out what mSATA-to-PATA adapter this fellow is using - maybe anyone here can see that... the Google Translate translation is here. These are the CrystalDiskMark results:

Crucial M550 120 GB mSATA SSD in a T42 (with a 2.1 GHz PM765 CPU, and with 2 GB RAM)

-------------------------------------------------- ---------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.3 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World: Http://Crystalmark.Info/
-------------------------------------------------- ---------------------
*MB/s=1,000,000 byte/s

Sequential Read: 89.021 MB/s
Sequential Write: 82.611 MB/s
Random Read 512KB: 89.182 MB/s
Random Write 512KB: 79.898 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD = 1): 21.316 MB/s [5204.1 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD = 1): 37.502 MB/s [9155.7 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD = 32): 22.717 MB/s [5546.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD = 32): 42.663 MB/s [10415.9 IOPS]

Test: 1000 MB [C: 63.8% (18.9 / 29.6 GB)] (x5) <1Fill>
Date: 2015/01/29 18:25:40
OS: Windows XP Professional SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)

NB: I guess it must be a 128 GB M550, since a 120 GB does not exist.

Johan

MrMaguire · #246 Post by **MrMaguire** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:55 am

I read through this entire thread a couple of months ago and noticed this:

KrypteX wrote:--- The Marvell bridges, on the other hand, play well with most SSD controllers out there. I've tried several Intel and SandForce controller-based SSDs in a PATA-SATA optical bay caddy from Fenvi with Marvell 88SA8040 chip and it passes TRIM perfectly fine. For example, the Aleratec mSATA to IDE 2.5 adapter has the Marvell 88SA8052 inside and the users are reporting that TRIM is passed correctly: http://www.amazon.com/Aleratec-mSATA-Sp ... B00HZT4CFS

RealBlackStuff wrote:Very strange!
That same Marvell 88SA8040 chip is used in the T43/p to convert from SATA to PATA!

Has anyone looked further into this idea that the bridge chips may need to match?

Hans Gruber · #247 Post by **Hans Gruber** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:58 am

I know it's like beating a dead dog but would this perhaps possibly work on the T43? I read the previous post and did a little research. If the controller card chipset is the same, could it be possible to make an SATA conversion without the SATA mod on a T43?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-2pcs-SA ... 4ac73a5602

GACrabill · #248 Post by **GACrabill** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:58 pm

Hans Gruber wrote:I know it's like beating a dead dog but would this perhaps possibly work on the T43? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-2pcs-SA ... 4ac73a5602

"3.5" 40pin IDE" ... how would you connect the 3.5" pin connector to the 2.5" pin connector in the T43 ??

MrMaguire · #249 Post by **MrMaguire** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:19 pm

Yeah, that's not gonna fit.

I know not every Intel 915 laptop has the same bridge chip in it. I have several of them, and so far I only know my Dell Latitude D610 has a Silicon Image chip of some sort.

I'm thinking that matching the bridge chips may prove successful because they'd be identical, with identical latency and everything. I'd appreciate if somebody would like to chime in on this. When I get some spare cash, I may pick up an adapter with the Marvel 88SA8040 chip on it and try it in my T43.

felix_w · #250 Post by **felix_w** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:57 pm

Here are my final results with Intel 755 (OC 2200Mhz), 855GM/ICH4M combo and Samsung 850 EVO msata 250GB with Lycom msata-to-IDE adapter (Marvell 88SA8052)

AS-SSD & CDM

As you can see, trim is tested to work, although i use the intelide driver. It maybe just aggressive GC, not sure which function is scanned by the "trimcheck" utility.

wmgeorge64 · #251 Post by **wmgeorge64** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:24 am

So it seems its not possible to put a SSD into a T43 which I really hoped I could do. Nice laptop and I hate to give it up.

ajkula66 · #252 Post by **ajkula66** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:07 am

wmgeorge64 wrote:So it seems its not possible to put a SSD into a T43 which I really hoped I could do. Nice laptop and I hate to give it up.

You could always install a SSD in the UltraBay with a HDD carrier.

Honestly, sticking with a good spinning drive - especially if one is running XP on these machines - is not the worst thing in the world.

wmgeorge64 · #253 Post by **wmgeorge64** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:29 pm

Its kind of a Duh thing but perhaps the reason my Windows 7 Hone 64 bit won't work is because the computer is 32 bit. I was under the impression the install disk had both versions, 32 and 64 bit.

ajkula66 · #254 Post by **ajkula66** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:01 pm

wmgeorge64 wrote:Its kind of a Duh thing but perhaps the reason my Windows 7 Hone 64 bit won't work is because the computer is 32 bit. I was under the impression the install disk had both versions, 32 and 64 bit.

Yep, 64-bit won't fly on a T43.

#255 Post by **Johan** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:46 pm

wmgeorge64 wrote:So it seems its not possible to put a SSD into a T43 which I really hoped I could do. Nice laptop and I hate to give it up.

@ wmgeorge64 and others being interested in the subject: "Can a T43 be equipped with a SSD in the main HDD-bay, without any hardware modifications?"

This question turns up from time to time, and the answer is actually right here in this very thread (!). Since most people apparently seems too lazy to read this thread from the start (and/or have forgotten what they've read and commented eralier on?), I will summarize the reports about succesful implemantation of SSD's in the main HDD tray of T43's, without any need for hardware modifications. I kindly invite interested users to read all the below-mentioned posts (or, even better: Read the entire thread from the start!), and then ask question, afterwards.

Read the information from yfuj11 about running Linux on a SSD in a T43 and the follow-up post here also with information from yfuj11 about running Windows 7 on a mSATA SSD in a T43.

Also, see this post (by user shicky256 - and note his signature!), also see his subsequent post here, describing experience with Debian (Linux) on a mSATA SSD in a T43.

In this post a T43p-owner is reporting to have used a 30 GB Kingston mSATA running Linux Mint.

Then, a number of must-read posts by our own T43-SSD-Windows-poineer: Xenomorph are the following (chronologically): This post and this post and this post (with a straightforward "how-to" guide describing an easy and succesful way to install and run Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 on a mSATA SSD in the main HDD tray of a T43/p!), and this post.

Update; Sept. 25, 2014: An update to Xenomorph's experience with running SSD's in his T43 for more than a year (SSD's running both Windows and Linux) was just posted here.

Finally, do read GACrabill's sum-up here.

Addendum: In this post user felix_w reported that the Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB mSATA SSD (which is based on the Samsung MGX Controller) works well with the Lycom mSATA-to-IDE adapter (the latter which is based on the Marvell 88SA8052 controller). Note however that felix_w did not use a ThinkPad in this test... but the performance reached on his similarly-aged system is surely very good! Could be very interesting to see the Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB mSATA SSD + the Lycom mSATA-to-IDE adapter in a T42/p or a T43/p!

A humble request: I would very much appreciate to hear comments from T43-owners who have actually tried to install a mSATA SSD in the main HDD-tray, and have had succes (or difficulties!) with this... either under Linux or under whatever Windows-version. Thank you in advance for sharing actual experience (rather than just more unsupported beliefs, postulates or assumptions), for the benefit of other interested users!

Johan

ajkula66 · #256 Post by **ajkula66** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:25 pm

Johan wrote:Could be very interesting to see the Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB mSATA SSD + the Lycom mSATA-to-IDE adapter in a T42/p or a T43/p!

A humble request: I would very much appreciate to hear comments from T43-owners who have actually tried to install a mSATA SSD in the main HDD-tray, and have had succes (or difficulties!) with this... either under Linux or under whatever Windows-version. Thank you in advance for sharing actual experience (rather than just more unsupported beliefs, postulates or assumptions), for the benefit of other interested users!

Johan

IDK...if automobus is correct in stating that the Addonics adapter is just a re-branded Lycom, I'd have to advise against the use of it on T43/p. My own experiences with Addonics adapter are as follows:

I've encountered *massive* stuttering along with occasional system freezes with a Dell-issued Samsung 810 mSATA, Lenovo-issued Intel 310 and a Micron C400 (aka Crucial M4) when used in two different T43p systems (2668-H4U and 2687-D5U). None of the above was present when the adapter in question - as well as SSDs - was installed in a T42p (2373-C96).

Both of these T43p systems were perfectly stutter-free using a spinning drive, as they were once SATA-mod was applied.

I've tested all the machines listed above with the retail version of W7 Home along with my own custom image of W7 32 Pro which was derived from Lenovo's recovery media.

Obviously, YMMV.

natgab · #257 Post by **natgab** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:28 pm

Johan wrote:@ wmgeorge64 and others being interested in the subject: "Can a T43 be equipped with a SSD in the main HDD-bay, without any hardware modifications?"

This question turns up from time to time, and the answer is actually right here in this very thread (!). Since most people apparently seems too lazy to read this thread from the start (and/or have forgotten what they've read and commented eralier on?), I will summarize the reports about succesful implemantation of SSD's in the main HDD tray of T43's, without any need for hardware modifications. I kindly invite interested users to read all the below-mentioned posts (or, even better: Read the entire thread from the start!), and then ask question, afterwards.

...<snipped the rest>

--Thanks for the organized update on this thread. I have a T43 and intend to get a x200 series to replace it. But I want to still work on speeding up the T43. I will have to re-read the mSATA + Lycom adapter / other adapter notes. Worse case scenario I can put the mSATA as a 2nd Hard Drive for the x series. So I would only be out the cost of the adapter.

Now I will be more careful when I choose between x200 to x230 and variants so I don't get stuck with a similar single model weirdness.

Lumen · #258 Post by **Lumen** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:47 pm

I am thinking of attempting this mod for my t41p.
As I cannot find any ST663FD9 or ST-173-7 adapters on eBay, can someone suggest another one? I have only found various chinese no name adapters.
Will the mod work with any msata SSD? I have found a cheap Samsung and was thinking of buying it.
Thanks

GACrabill · #259 Post by **GACrabill** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:16 pm

Lumen wrote:I am thinking of attempting this mod for my t41p.
As I cannot find any ST663FD9 or ST-173-7 adapters on eBay, can someone suggest another one? I have only found various chinese no name adapters.
Will the mod work with any msata SSD? I have found a cheap Samsung and was thinking of buying it.
Thanks

Maybe this one (it's the Lycom ST-173-7): http://www.aimtec.co.uk/addonics-online ... drive.html

If 'cheap' also means 'old', then the Samsung or any other 'old' mSata may not support TRIM ... you may be better off trying to find something newer if possible.

Lumen · #260 Post by **Lumen** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:11 am

GACrabill wrote:If 'cheap' also means 'old', then the Samsung or any other 'old' mSata may not support TRIM ... you may be better off trying to find something newer if possible.

So my only concern regarding the SSD should be if it supports TRIM? Any issues with various controllers?

#261 Post by **Johan** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:26 pm

Lumen wrote:I am thinking of attempting this mod for my T41p. As I cannot find any ST663FD9 or ST-173-7 adapters on eBay, can someone suggest another one? I have only found various chinese no name adapters.

As described earlier in this thread, the Lycom PATA/IDE-to-mSATA adapter is being sold by a number of companies, under different names (see details in earlier posts in this thread). In Europe the adapter is probably easiest to find if searching (= Google) for either "IDE + mSATA" or if searching after "DeLock + 62495". Doing this, you will e.g. find the adapter on various European Amazon-sites, incl. this and this and this and this and this and this.

Now, because we're so intelligent

we try to Google for delock 62495 site:.gr to check if it is perhaps available in Greece, and yes, indeed it is, e.g. here and here...

Lumen wrote:Will the mod work with any mSATA SSD? I have found a cheap Samsung and was thinking of buying it.

With respect to what mSATA SSD's are usable/recommended for this adapter, I would like to encourage you to do a bit of research yourself, which is actually very easy... just read this thread!

Here you will find numerous user-reports about what specific mSATA SSD have been successfully used (mainly in T4x/p ThinkPad's) with this adapter; some of which I will make reference to below (for your convenience!).

Other user-reports (typically more brief) may be found on Amazon (incl. above-mentioned); such as e.g. here.

By the way, note the comments by automobus in the thread Trying SATA in 2001-2002 machines? Limited to Ultra ATA/33... you may want to check your BIOS-version.

The following mSATA SSD's have been reported to work successful with the Lycom/Addonics/Aleratec/DeLock/Kuroutoshikou etc. IDE/PATA-to-mSATA adapter (arranged in alphabetical order):

ADATA SP310 (64 GB): Here and here.

ADATA XPG SX300 (128 GB ): Here.

Crucial M4 (= Micron C400): Here.

Crucial M500 (also in a T43): Here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here.

Crucial M550: Here and here and here and here.

NB: The Crucial M500 (and perhaps also the M550; don't know, search for yourself!) have been reported to run hot; see this post and find a fix described in this post.

Intel 310 mSATA: Here and here.

Intel 311 (SSDMAESC020G201): Here.

Intel 525 (using the Sandforce SF-2281 controller): Here (fastest benchmarks I recall ever having seen with this adapter!) and here.

Kingston (30 GB): Here in a T43p running Linux Mint.

Kingston (120 GB): Here and here.

Mushkin Atlas 120GB (w/Sandforce SF-2141 controller; ref.: Here), although not used in a ThinkPad, here.

Plextor M5M (128 GB): Here and here.

Plextor M5M (256 GB, using the Marvell 88SS9187 controller): Here and (not in a ThinkPad) here and here.

Plextor M6M: Here and here and here and here.

Samsung 810 (128 GB): Here pointing to this post.

Samsung PM830 (MZMPC064HBDR, 64 GB): Here.

Samsung 840 EVO (MZ-MTE120BW): Here and here and here (see the comments to the feedback by "tandemam" of 29. Januar 2015).

Samsung 850 EVO: Here (in a T42p!) and here (in a T40) and here and here and here and here.

Samsung 850 Pro: Here (in a T42)

Samsung MZ-MPC0320/0H1 (32 GB): Here.

SanDisk (128 GB): Here.

Transcend MSA340: Here and here.

Transcend MSA370 (128 GB): Here and here and here.

Finally, also see the comments about earlier mSATA SSD that has been suggested/used, described in this post and this post and this post.

Please be kind to report back about your experience, when you get the IDE-to-mSATA adapter and the mSATA SSD... thanks!

Johan

felix_w · #262 Post by **felix_w** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:21 pm

Great post Johan !!! All the relevant information in one single post !!! Very useful.

The greek shops you link was very nice trick. Actually, one store i always get what i want, no matter if in stock or special order is Visionstudio.gr>link here<

I would like to add the place i got my Lycom adapter, the UK store Scan (.co.uk) and you can find the adapter at >this link<

The price is also low, compared to the other stores i found (conrad and maybe alternate, i think ).

Recife · #263 Post by **Recife** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:36 pm

I also got my Lycom adapter from Scan! Very happy with it!

Xenomorph · #264 Post by **Xenomorph** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:25 pm

Possible WARNING for those using an adapter and SSD in the T43's main drive bay.

It looks like the default in the latest Linux kernel builds and/or in some distributions is to force TRIM on, even if your system won't work with it.

Quick background info:

OK, I've had luck with non-SandForce drives on my T43. I'm currently using Crucial (Marvell) and Samsung SSDs. The Intel and Mushkin drives were a no-go (both SandForce).

In the regular hard drive bay, I've had to make sure to DISABLE TRIM. TRIM seems to work fine in the optical bay (which might be just PATA to SATA) - or it at least doesn't cause problems. But using TRIM in the main drive bay always caused lots of problems (probably because in my T43 it is SATA to PATA to SATA).

The OS would query the drive, it would report that it supported TRIM, but the system would nearly freeze up when sending the TRIM command, since it wouldn't get passed through the adapters.

For Windows, I first did this:
* install to HDD
* disable TRIM after installation
* clone to SSD

Now, I just install straight to the SSD in my optical bay (I've removed my DVD-ROM).

For Linux, I installed straight to the SSD in my main drive bay. TRIM has always been DISABLED by default. I have the option of enabling it, but why would I if it only caused problems?

Well, there's an issue now:

Starting with Ubntu 15.10 (Kernel 4.2), TRIM is enabled by default, and there is NO WAY TO TURN IT OFF.

I cannot find any kernel flags on how to disable regular TRIM. There is an option to disable Queued TRIM, but I'm not using that. I want to disable TRIM completely.

/etc/fstab doesn't come into play, because the OS will try to actively TRIM a drive during a format (before you can mount it in fstab).

"mkfs -E nodiscard" will let you format without TRIM, but then as soon as the drive is mounted to write to, TRIM is enabled. Adding "nodiscard" to fstab doesn't help (nor do I think that is a valid mount option).

Searching Google for how to DISABLE TRIM gets me no where. All documentation seems to assume that it defaults to OFF, and then you can manually turn it ON. But what do we do now that it defaults to ON?
There was never an "off" command for it.

shicky256 · #265 Post by **shicky256** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:45 am

Xenomorph wrote:Possible WARNING for those using an adapter and SSD in the T43's main drive bay.

It looks like the default in the latest Linux kernel builds and/or in some distributions is to force TRIM on, even if your system won't work with it.

<snippped the rest of Xenomorph's post above>

I've noticed this as well, and actually complained about it a few months ago on the Arch forums, but didn't get any solutions from that. You can note that since that post, Debian did a kernel update that experienced that behavior as well, so the "problem kernel" issue started somewhere around 4.0.4. It's kind of stupid that the Linux kernel TRIMs on an SSD without user intervention. However, the kernel shipped with Debian Jessie is fine, so if this laptop can last 5 more years until that version stops being supported, that's good enough for me.

Fotis · #266 Post by **Fotis** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:02 am

Positive experience with a cheap adapter from eBay (JM20330 based) and a Toshiba THNSNB128GMCJ 128GB SSD. The drive was instantly recognised in my t41p BIOS and in the Windows 7 installation which went very smoothly. Speeds are good considering the cost of the adapter and the older JM20330 chip.

screen grab

I have been using it for a couple of days, and everything is ok. Startup and programs loading times are faster than I was expecting. The computer did freeze once and had to hard reset it, but it hasn't froze since (could be a driver issue).
The drive does get a bit hot, with HD Sentinel recording temps up to 50C.
The BIOS installed is the latest. (I think 3.23)
I bought the drive used and was advertised to have 100% health but after installation of Windows 7 drive shows health of 91% and has remained there. Hopefully the adapter doesn't damage the drive too quickly.
TRIM appears to be working fine.

dandreye · #267 Post by **dandreye** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:58 pm

Hi All,

Thanks so much to all the contributors (and especially Johan) for so useful thread! I'm preparing to speed up a couple of T4x in my household, in particular:
- a 14" T42 (2373-Q91 with i855PM chipset / 82801DBM (ICH4-M) southbridge)
- a 14" T43 (2669-YJ6 with i915GM chipset / 82801FBM (ICH6-M) southbridge)
It's obvious that SATA mod is best for T43 and that's exactly what I'm going to do with it, so it's out of scope. It's no less obvious that T42 needs a friendly adapter + SSD combination.

After carefully reading entire thread as well as several others it's referring to and getting inspired in particular by Yetanfou's, KrypteX's and felix_w's posts, out of sheer curiosity I'm willing to try a recent enough Samsung 8xx SSD to support TRIM and a cheap unbranded JM20330-based mSATA-IDE/PATA adapter in my T42 first (luckily no problems buying an ST-173-7 from Scan in case I see its 6x higher price justified).

Assuming none of those famous adapter-SSD interop issues occur:

- can I expect 4K (QD=1) R/W speeds close to 20-25/30-40 MB/s resp. achieved with several Samsung 8xx SSDs in a JM20330-based adapter by felix_w?

- do I get it right that there will be no obstacles for proper TRIM operation under W7/8.1/10?

- do I get it right that I will have no AHCI and so no HIPM/DIPM that comes with it? (because of its absence in T42 BIOS settings though, hence affecting any adapters incl Marvell-based) Is it roughly as bad as running an SSD w/o TRIM or no noticeable extra wear and tear will occur?

- any other weaknesses of JM20330-based adapters compared to Marvell-based ones to be aware of in my particular case? (besides things like complications fitting them into T42's primary HDD bay, which is easily overcome)

Many thanks in anticipation!

P.S. A bonus question if I may (apologies for offtopic): can I follow the T42 speeding up pattern proposed above with my Asus A3500L too? It has an Intel Celeron M CPU @ 1.50GHz and i852GM chipset / 82801DBM (ICH4-M) southbridge.

GACrabill · #268 Post by **GACrabill** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:01 pm

dandreye wrote:- any other weaknesses of JM20330-based adapters compared to Marvell-based ones to be aware of in my particular case?

The HDD activity LED light does not work with the JM20330 ... but does work with the JMH330-based adapters.

dandreye · #269 Post by **dandreye** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:48 am

GACrabill wrote:The HDD activity LED light does not work with the JM20330 ... but does work with the JMH330-based adapters.

Hi GACrabill,

Thanks for your reply. It'll be a pity indeed if HD-LED doesn't work. Could it be SSD dependent though?
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 80#p756713

Unfortunately there seem to be no cheap JMH330-based adapters on the market - only Minerva ST663FD9 at $18.99 and not even shipping to the UK. If I could find a JMH330-based one at, say, twice the price of the cheapest JM20330-based one (currently selling at $3.50 incl UK shipping) I'd be happy to try it, or in fact even both of them out of interest.

Meanwhile Samsung TLC SSD performance degradation issues (e.g. in 840 EVO) discourage me from any of those, effectively leaving just PM800 and PM830 to choose from. Would these be a reasonable choice for a SATA I laptop, e.g. can I still expect 4K (QD=1) R/W speeds ca. 10-30MB/s with them? I haven't come across any test results with PM800 in either adapter - only seen KrypteX's post reporting TRIM working successfully with PM800 in a JM20330 adapter.

GACrabill · #270 Post by **GACrabill** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:40 pm

dandreye wrote:It'll be a pity indeed if HD-LED doesn't work. Could it be SSD dependent though?
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 80#p756713

It's more likely that the Dell C400 HD-LED works differently than the Thinkpad HD-LED. With an older laptop, I totally understand the desire to limit the amount spent on an SSD upgrade ... you might be able to tolerate a non-working HD-LED.

dandreye wrote:Meanwhile Samsung TLC SSD performance degradation issues (e.g. in 840 EVO) discourage me from any of those, effectively leaving just PM800 and PM830 to choose from. Would these be a reasonable choice for a SATA I laptop, e.g. can I still expect 4K (QD=1) R/W speeds ca. 10-30MB/s with them? I haven't come across any test results with PM800 in either adapter - only seen KrypteX's post reporting TRIM working successfully with PM800 in a JM20330 adapter.

Based on the prices I see on eBay, I wouldn't consider either the PM800 or PM830.

I would look for an msata Samsung 850 EVO at 120GB to keep the SSD upgrade expense as low as possible ... it's been available for a year and I am not aware of any problems with TLC V-nand (TLC planar-nand works but is the cheapest, least reliable alternative ... ie. Samsung 840 EVO, Crucial BX200, Sandisk Ultra, etc).

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