T43 with IDE SSD; Master/Slave/CS jumper on or off?

[burns334]

Folks, about to get started building an SSD for one of my T43's, IDE SSD. When I removed it from the box I noticed a jumper across the last two pins, should this stay or be removed?

Thanks

burns

[Cigarguy]

The jumpers should be for selecting be master or slave. Without the jumper it should be cable select and should work. If it doesn't work then jumper it is. Another benefit of SATA, no more jumpers.

[TRS-80]

Yeah I would try without. But then I think I recall reading somewhere (and I have been reading a ton on related topics lately) that some SSDs need to be set as Master before they are recognized.

[Cigarguy]

Some SSDs need to be set as Master before they are recognized.

No such setting for a SATA SSD, it's a serial device not parallel like IDE. I think you must have read about a PATA SSD for one of the T4x.

[ajkula66]

Yeah I would try without. But then I think I recall reading somewhere (and I have been reading a ton on related topics lately) that some SSDs need to be set as Master before they are recognized.

I don't think I've ever heard of such a requirement, but PATA SSDs are weird ducks to begin with.

[Johan]

I've been using a couple of different 2.5" IDE/PATA SSD's as the bootable drives (holding the OS and documents etc.) in the main HDD bay of T42's and T42p's; the Transcend TS32GSSD25-M, the Transcend TS16GSSD25-S and the OWC Mercury Legacy Pro.

The two above-mentioned Transcend's will need to have the Master/Slave/Cable-Select jumper set to "Master" in order to boot (in the main HDD bay in a T42/p). The OWC, on the other hand, has no jumpers set; I'm actually posting this using that drive.

@ burns334: Kindly share your experience with your (new?) SSD in your T43... there are no doubt many people here who are interested in some good news about achieving suucces with whatever SSD in the main HDD-bay of a T43, without going the "SATA-mod" route. Thanks in advance!

PS: I guess you've already seen the GUIDE: Make your T4x *FAST* by replacing the HDD with a SSD! sticky at the top of this forum, mentioning several attempts to put SSD's in T43/p's...

Johan

[burns334]

Folks, just confused: I left the jumper on the SSD in the master position, placed the drive to be cloned in my ultra bay and cloned from the operating system in the HDD slot. I used AEOMI and wiped and migrated with the OS to SSD command. When I put the cloned drive in the HDD bay I got the first splash screen and then a blinking cursor in upper left. I think I will try EASEUS todo and see what happens, I've had success with that program before, this seems easiest to do. Next I will switch drive bays ie clone in HDD bay, boot system in Ultrabay. Any suggestions welcome I will probably not get to it till 8 pm EST, Thanks in advance.

Burns

[ajkula66]

Next I will switch drive bays ie clone in HDD bay, boot system in Ultrabay. Any suggestions welcome I will probably not get to it till 8 pm EST, Thanks in advance.

The "new" drive must be in the main bay, the "old" one in the external enclosure or ultrabay.

Rarely do I clone anything, but when I do, Clonezilla is my software of choice.

Good luck.

[burns334]

AKJ, will do, when do I align the partition?

[ajkula66]

AKJ, will do, when do I align the partition?

What OS are you installing?

[burns334]

AKJ, installing Xp professional

[ajkula66]

AKJ, installing Xp professional

Why bother...

Anyways, you can use something like GParted to align the OS afterwards...

If you're cloning from a drive that has the original IBM install with recovery partition intact, it will be somewhat more difficult to align than the vanilla one.

[TRS-80]

You may have to mess around with reassigning the boot drive letter on the new, cloned drive per this post:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... of+cloning

[burns334]

The jumper, well without the jumper the SSD is not seen. ie SSD in hard drive bay, and booted off of HDD in the ultra bay. I fire up Ease us todo and it does not see the SSD. Installed jumper across end pins and now SSD shows up and I am wiping it first.

[ajkula66]

Installed jumper across end pins and now SSD shows up and I am wiping it first.

Why are you wiping it and even more importantly, HOW are you wiping it?

[burns334]

AKJ, I thought wiping was a good thing to do, using Easetodo

[ajkula66]

One doesn't wipe SSDs like they would a conventional hard drive.

It's done by secure erase the implementation of which depends on the manufacturer.

Oh well.

Now you know for the next time around.

[burns334]

AKJ, no luck with my method, wipe, boot from master in ultrabay, clone to the ssd in main bay using easetodo.

Should I start over with a secure erase using parted Magic?

[ajkula66]

You're using software I'm not familiar with.

For Cloning, burn a CD of Clonezila, it's as easy as it comes.

Does Parted Magic offer the option of secure erase? I never used it so I'm clueless here...

[burns334]

Ok AJK, I downloaded the Ultimate boot CD which has HDDerase on it which is recommended by Kingspec to get the drive back to as new condition. Conezilla CD in my collection, so you just use the disk to disk option to clone?

burns

[burns334]

Guys, really lost at trying to secure erase the Kingspec PA25.6-064MS SSD. I've tried HDDerase and parted magic and I always get messages that the drive does not support security mode features or security mode set features. My first try at cloning using Easeustodo was not successful probably because I had the target ssd in the ultra bay, Anyway I wanted to erase the drive and try again with target not in HDD bay but I cannot find a way to secure erase (which I think is what you are suppose to do). Any help would be appreciated.

burns

[burns334]

One doesn't wipe SSDs like they would a conventional hard drive.

It's done by secure erase the implementation of which depends on the manufacturer.

Oh well.

Now you know for the next time around.

AKJ and others, no luck at making the Kingspec drive work. I've cloned it with the master in the ultrabay and ssd in HDD0 slot using Conezilla. I tried with the drive set in master mode and in slave mode, you can not use no jumper as the drive is not seen. Anyway no boot, sometimes I get the blinking cursor and sometimes it asks me if I want to boot to R&R mode with F11, F11 does not do anything. I guess the only thing I can think of is to find out how to secure erase a Kingspec. Hdderase and Parted Magic give message about security mode and will not go any farther. Need help.

thanks
burns

[dtwalters]

I received a KingSpec 128GB PATA ssd and an Dell OEM version of Windows 7 Professional 32 bit in the mail today. I purchased these planning to upgrade my Thinkpad R51e. When I opened the SSD, I noticed a jumper which I immediately took off (after all, it's 2014, we don't need no stinkin' jumpers!). Then I proceeded to be unable to get the ssd to fit in the drive bay. I did everything but put it in the caddy correctly trying to get the darn thing to fit. Once I put it into the caddy correctly, it slid right into the drive bay without problem (I know, amature day at the races!). So I put the disc in the optical drive and watched while Windows did its thing. The next thing I know I am getting a message that Windows 7 cannot be installed on this drive. Bummer! I then took the drive out of the bay and put it in a USB hard drive enclosure and hooked it to another computer. Windows recognized it immediately and was able to write and read without problem. I then looked up the spec sheet for the ssd and found the jumper table and put the jumper back on as master and put the ssd back into the R51e's drive bay. Boom, Windows loaded. I am currently downloading and installing the Windows 7 updates. Boy, am I pumped!

Moderator: if this message should be in another thread, please feel free to move it. (perhaps: Consider turning to the dark side?)

DTW

[burns334]

I then took the drive out of the bay and put it in a USB hard drive enclosure and hooked it to another computer. Windows recognized it immediately and was able to write and read without problem. I then looked up the spec sheet for the ssd and found the jumper table and put the jumper back on as master and put the ssd back into the R51e's drive bay. Boom, Windows loaded.

DTW

I'm confused, did you do clean install of windows with other machine without any jumper on the Kingspec?

[dtwalters]

I'm sorry to be so confusing. I took the hard drive out of the R51e, replaced it with the ssd (which I found out only works with the jumper on set as master) and did a clean install of Windows 7. I only used the other computer to check and see if the drive was working at all.

DTW

[TRS-80]

One doesn't wipe SSDs like they would a conventional hard drive.

It's done by secure erase the implementation of which depends on the manufacturer.

Oh well.

Now you know for the next time around.

AKJ and others, no luck at making the Kingspec drive work. I've cloned it with the master in the ultrabay and ssd in HDD0 slot using Conezilla. I tried with the drive set in master mode and in slave mode, you can not use no jumper as the drive is not seen. Anyway no boot, sometimes I get the blinking cursor and sometimes it asks me if I want to boot to R&R mode with F11, F11 does not do anything. I guess the only thing I can think of is to find out how to secure erase a Kingspec. Hdderase and Parted Magic give message about security mode and will not go any farther. Need help.

thanks
burns

burns,

I am following this threat with interest, as soon I plan on ordering (probably multiple) Kingspec SSDs. I don't have any hands on experience with SSDs but I have been reading a lot. Another tool that exists is DBan (Derrick/Darrin(?)'s Boot And Nuke). This may or may not allow you to be able to Secure Erase. You may need a different tool, perhaps one from the mfr. as ajkula suggested. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Hopefully if DBan doesn't work, someone with more experience will be along with a more definitive answer. Good luck.

[burns334]

TRS-80, SUCCESS, I cloned it using Clonezilla but it would not start, just blinking cursor, I hit access thinkpad and F11 alot and finally it went to recovery console. So I just did a recovery. Trying to get up to date now, it came up at SP2 so lots of stuff to load. Goes slow, but I'll get there tonight. The jumper is in the master setting, across last two vertical pins

burns

[burns334]

folks, it is step by step for sure. SSD all built and up to date windows wise and trying to align the partition(s). I've tried Gparted from a stand alone .iso burn and from things like the Ultimate boot CD but the GUI does almost nothing. I click on the upper right drive, sometimes it highlites sometimes it doesn't. The whole interface is just unresponsive, any thoughts?

burns

I downloaded AEOMI and it handled aligning the partition with no problem.

[burns334]

Before and after comparison
Before
read 26.6 Mb/s Write 25.5 Mb/s
overall drive score 9

After
read 85.4 Mb/s Write 29.6 Mb/s
overall drive score 48

[ajkula66]

That's a pretty horrendous write speed for a SSD...

Can you download and run Crystal Disk Mark then post the results from there?