Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs)

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Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs)

#1 Post by TRS-80 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:26 pm

I know I keep hearing bad things about these. But I cannot help but keep coming back to them. They are a drop in solution (well, maybe not exactly, may require a little shaving from what I hear, lol) for only $75 for the 64GB version. In my case, I can even get away with the 32GB version, which are less than $50, shipped! Although in some cases that may be from China, taking a couple weeks.

No messing around with Frankenstein adapters and the potential conflicts between those different controllers, etc. Although I applaud those who continue to research in that area, I am thinking I will go in a different direction.

I mean, at that price, I could afford to buy a few and keep spares (already imaged with what we need) sitting on a shelf. For my use case (supporting a few truck mounted T4x and R5x in a small landscape company) they seem to be ideal. I get the benefits of an SSD (in my case, not looking for speed but rather eliminating moving parts due to the truck mount and resultant jostling about) for not much more than it costs to buy the least expensive new PATA HDD (currently $30-60 depending if you go brand name or not).

Are all the bad reports from old stock? Perhaps they have updated their firmware or hardware in newer versions. Or maybe it's a vocal minority, you know you always hear about failures, but what if there are thousands of people out there who are very happy with their Kingspec drives, and just never took the time to go back and leave positive comments at Amazon or wherever they bought from? Of course, that could all be wishful thinking on my part. But, like Fox Mulder, I want to believe! :)

Finally, I would like to add that the Mfr. offers a 2 year warranty, and the following specs:

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Write endurance 	      80years@10GBytes write and erase per day at 32GB
Read endurance 	       unlimited
Wear-Leveling Algorithm  Dynamic and static wear-leveling
Data Retention           10years at 25ºC
MTBF	                  1,000,000hours
ECC                      Supports BCH ECC 8bits or 15bits in 512 bytes
Bad Block Management     Auto Bad Block Management in system
Interestingly, while I was looking up the specs on the Mfr. website, I noticed they have some other models that actually have a 3 year warranty (KSD-PA25.6-XXXSS), and even some SLC NAND models! The 3 year warranty ones are also grey in color but they don't look like they are available for purchase commonly here in US (belay that, although it is $188.99 for 64GB). The SLC ones are black, couldn't find any either although I'm sure they would be really expensive as they are SLC. The ones commonly available here seem to be the KSD-PA25.6-XXXMS model (where xxx=064 for 64GB for example).

I want to hear everyone's honest opinion, especially if you have been using them and have had good experiences. My gut is telling me that may be an under-represented group. Of course I could be completely wrong.
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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#2 Post by TRS-80 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:55 pm

You know, some of these bad reviews I am reading on Kingspec almost seem like plants (poster with 2 posts, or review on Amazon who never replies when questioned, etc.). I know that may be venturing into tin foil hat area, but is is so far fetched to think that a Chinese manufacturing company is not managing their web presence as well as a more internet savvy American company serving the same market, and perhaps selling much the same PATA SSD at a premium?

Then there is the issue of 4K block alignment in XP. I have just begun reading a bit on that myself, but do you think many of these casual users take the time to do the research like I (we) do? Hell no, they just google "PATA 2.5 SSD" (or even "HDD"), it comes up as one of the top results, they order it, throw it in, and when it doesn't work, go back to Amazon and write "Kingspec sucks!" Could be a simple case of PEBKAC.

Perhaps confirming one of the suspicions in my OP, I also just read that earlier Kingspec drives apparently use[d] the first generation Jmicron (JMF602) Controller but now have switched to Silicon Motion SM2235.

I will continue to study this issue and report my findings. Because if Kingspec drives are actually better than what they have been made out to be (and/or if they are improving) I think they could potentially be the perfect solution to the HDD replacement issue we all face.
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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#3 Post by TRS-80 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:47 pm

Aha! According to the last page of the following datasheet, the .6 in the model number does seem to indicate a switch to the SM2236 controller! So, one of my suspicions has been confirmed!

http://www.kingspec.com/media/pdown/f.p ... 0111_1.pdf

I don't see any way to attach the PDF, or else I would here, for posterity...
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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#4 Post by burns334 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:22 pm

TRS-80, bought one a few weeks ago and just started building it use AEOMI, I migrated the OS, XP, but I have not fired it up yet, ran out of time last night.

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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#5 Post by TRS-80 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:02 pm

burns334 wrote:TRS-80, bought one a few weeks ago and just started building it use AEOMI, I migrated the OS, XP, but I have not fired it up yet, ran out of time last night.
Cool! Let us know how it goes!

You did the 4k block alignment, correct?

In other news, I found a whole thread (3 pages) of X4x users that seem pretty happy with their Kingspec drives. Only one guy in the whole thread reported any issues:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=76690
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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#6 Post by TRS-80 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:11 pm

burns334 wrote:Noy yet
I think you are supposed to do it when formatting, before you install the OS. But if you already did, I guess you could move the partition(s) around with some partition manager.

Also, I hope you got a .6 version, although if you got it a few weeks ago you probably should have.
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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#7 Post by burns334 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:10 pm

TR-80, no luck yet, just confused, see my other thread.

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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#8 Post by TRS-80 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:20 pm

Just posted over there in your thread, actually. :)
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#9 Post by dtwalters » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:39 pm

Well, I just ordered a 128GB KingSpec 2.5 PATA/IDE SSD from Amazon.com. When I install it into my R51e and load a fresh install of Windows 7, I'll report back. Are there any caveats from the "old guard" before I get started on this project?

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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#10 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:42 pm

I'm fairly certain that there's no GPU support for R51e in Vista/W7

Apart from that you should be OK.

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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#11 Post by dtwalters » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:50 pm

ajkula66 wrote:I'm fairly certain that there's no GPU support for R51e in Vista/W7 Apart from that you should be OK.
I'm sorry to be so uninformed, but what is GPU support? Would that be the video driver?
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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#12 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:45 pm

Correct. No video driver.
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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#13 Post by dtwalters » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:56 pm

Lenovo lists a Windows Vista video driver for the R51e on it's support site.

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#14 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:04 pm

dtwalters wrote:Lenovo lists a Windows Vista video driver for the R51e on it's support site.
Then I stand corrected and you are golden.
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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#15 Post by dtwalters » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:09 pm

AWESOME!

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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#16 Post by TRS-80 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:05 pm

Apologies if my post derailed the thread a bit into discussion of Kingspec PATA SSDs.

@dtwalters,

Perhaps it would be best to report your findings pertaining to the Kingspec PATA SSDs in that linked thread about them.

@Admins,

Feel free to move the last few posts (starting with this one maybe) over to my thread about Kingspec SSDs. Again sorry, and thanks.

Moderator edit: Moved relevant posts (to this thread), as per request of the OP.
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Re: Successful upgrade of T42 with Crucial M4 128 GB mSATA S

#17 Post by Johan » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:10 am

In his post of Fri Feb 21, 2014, dtwalters wrote:Well, I just ordered a 128 GB KingSpec 2.5" PATA/IDE SSD from Amazon.com. When I install it into my R51e and load a fresh install of Windows 7, I'll report back. Are there any caveats from the "old guard" before I get started on this project?
Since I (and probably many other forum-members, too!) are very interested in hearing about actual experience with a KingSpec SSD in a R51e, I recently asked dtwalters (via PM) to kindly provide us with in this public thread some feedback regarding his experience, incl. how esay/hard the installation/configuration was, and how the SSD has performed since; unstable/stable, slow/fast etc., and if any benchmarks, e.g. using CrystalDiskMarks, is available? In reply to this, I received the following reply via PM a few days ago:
dtwalters wrote: I have had no trouble from it. It is installed in a R51e I have set up for audio recording and I am very satisfied so far. It really boots up fast!

Dan
I (Johan) have no more information than this brief feedback. I would assume (but this is an assumption only!) that the SSD discussed by dwalters might be the 128 GB KingSpec 2.5-inch PATA/IDE SSD Solid State Disk (MLC Flash) SM2236 Controller. I notice the poor customer feedback... which I also recall having seen for many other KingSpec SSD's earlier.

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Re: Considering turning to the dark side (Kingspec PATA SSDs

#18 Post by kweiske » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:10 pm

I've got a KingSpec 128GB SSD in my T42, and love it so far. I'm running Lubuntu (Ubuntu with LXDE window Manager) and it installed/ran without a hitch.

(this is a non-PAE system, so I needed to install Lubuntu 12.04 LTS, then upgrade to 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 and then finally to 14.04)

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