Would you buy a T43 today?
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Having used a IPS 15in T43 for the last month along side my 220T at work, i would say for text based its fine. I include in this using scribus to do 5/6 page complex DTP/graphic work instructions and Libreoffice for reports/non macro-spreadsheets. If i'm on the shop floor I save data to a SD card which i swap to the T43 when back at desk. The 1440x1050 IPS real estate is great for office working, the kb is a given [probably only 2nd to my X32] and the IPS screen surprised quite a few given the age of the machine and the initial £20 cost. Steams audio and works well with my bluetooth headphones.
However that's as far is it goes as the single core P-M 750 is terrible on websites that expect JS optimised for multi-core CPUs so web browsing and watching any flash or video is pretty much out of the question.
Don't regret buying it and spending a few pounds on it but it's best days are behind it unless CPU/GPU technology goes backwards.
However that's as far is it goes as the single core P-M 750 is terrible on websites that expect JS optimised for multi-core CPUs so web browsing and watching any flash or video is pretty much out of the question.
Don't regret buying it and spending a few pounds on it but it's best days are behind it unless CPU/GPU technology goes backwards.
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Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
While ThinkPads continued to flaunt the IBM name well after the Lenovo acquisition, it appears that the T42 was the last ThinkPad completely engineered and designed (not built) by IBM. The T43 was not announced until after the Lenovo acquisition announcement.micrex22 wrote:"Pure" is relative, I consider the T60 quasi-IBM, since early run T60s had IBM labeling at the bottom (and IBM sold them to corporate clients, and the T61s as well briefly-- which is why there was still the 'IBM logo' alternative FRU palm rest).
The T60 in my opinion is a better laptop, except the T43 got the aesthetics down better (naturally). The T43p can be used for light modern things, but you'll have your hands tied.
The T42 was released in May 2004, six months before the December 2004 announcement that Lenovo would purchase the business. However, any T42's built after 12/04 may have Lenovo copyright information on the bottom base of the machine.
Concurrently, the T43 was the first post-IBM model to introduce a SATA-based hard disk drive controller, even though it relied on a physical PATA interface. This, in addition to some T42 models with a fingerprint reader, was a departure from the legacy T40/T41 models.
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
You also have to remember that the T43 was already basically completed after the Dec 2004 announcement (It would be impossible for Lenovo to design the T43 in one month).sdfox7 wrote:While ThinkPads continued to flaunt the IBM name well after the Lenovo acquisition, it appears that the T42 was the last ThinkPad completely engineered and designed (not built) by IBM. The T43 was not announced until after the Lenovo acquisition announcement.
The T42 was released in May 2004, six months before the December 2004 announcement that Lenovo would purchase the business. However, any T42's built after 12/04 may have Lenovo copyright information on the bottom base of the machine.
Concurrently, the T43 was the first post-IBM model to introduce a SATA-based hard disk drive controller, even though it relied on a physical PATA interface. This, in addition to some T42 models with a fingerprint reader, was a departure from the legacy T40/T41 models.
Early T43 and T43p units will state "manufactured for IBM". And the reason for that is the following quote from the Lenovo announcement that you've referenced:
Also during the January T43 fingerprint announcement, IBM refers to them as IBM ThinkPads, and not Lenovo ThinkPads:While the transaction is being completed, both companies expect their existing PC operations, including customer service and product availability, to continue as usual. Following the closing of the transaction, Lenovo expects customer service and product availability will continue as usual as the two companies' operations are integrated.
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bi ... guage=enus
I've spoken to Lenovo and IBM actually forced Lenovo to keep old drivers and manuals publicly searchable on the lenovo website until 2014 when the external interface was removed. Due to the fact IBM also still has shares in the PC division, they dictated a few aspects until the IBM branding was completely retired in 2007. This is why early T60s (as previously mentioned) have IBM stickers at the bottom and no Lenovo logos-- they do state 'manufactured for lenovo' which is the reason why I consider them quasi-IBM. Late T60s will have the Lenovo badges at the bottom and on the LED clearplate.New IBM ThinkPad T43 notebook computers offer fingerprint reader on selected models and the new Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
EDIT: Another reason why they're quasi-IBM is that the T60s were the only ones to have FlexView, soon as the T61 rolled by and Lenovo got more amibitous (and simultaneously when IDTech was losing money and being sold off) FlexViews were discontinued. Lenovo was never sold the rights to IDTech. So without IBM, so too you lose FlexView.
Early 14.1" T43p Magnesium lid:brchan wrote:That is very interesting. Anyone have photos for magnesium frames and lids in 15" t4* models? I tried searching for frames of T4* models but came up with nothing. There only seems to be the standard aluminum cover for the ultrabay + HDD area. Of course, there is the minor magnesium section at the battery compartment and a small strip next the the pcmcia slots, but it isn't really a frame (or at least not like the ones on T60 models).
PSREF sheets lists 15" t42p models as having magnesium covers, but I can't seem to find any that aren't CFRP covers.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/original-IBM-Len ... SwBLlU6KyU
Late 15.1" T43p plastic (lenovo) lid:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-Lenovo-Think ... Swe-FU8SdI
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Agreed, and I have found pretty good performance improvements in overclocking the gpu.Dekks wrote:Having used a IPS 15in T43 for the last month along side my 220T at work, i would say for text based its fine. I include in this using scribus to do 5/6 page complex DTP/graphic work instructions and Libreoffice for reports/non macro-spreadsheets. If i'm on the shop floor I save data to a SD card which i swap to the T43 when back at desk. The 1440x1050 IPS real estate is great for office working, the kb is a given [probably only 2nd to my X32] and the IPS screen surprised quite a few given the age of the machine and the initial £20 cost. Steams audio and works well with my bluetooth headphones.
However that's as far is it goes as the single core P-M 750 is terrible on websites that expect JS optimised for multi-core CPUs so web browsing and watching any flash or video is pretty much out of the question.
Don't regret buying it and spending a few pounds on it but it's best days are behind it unless CPU/GPU technology goes backwards.
T43 models also run hot even with a 2ghz P-M + x300 gpu. Just out of curiosity, I removed the thermal pad on the gpu (which is supposedly not recommended), and applied tunix tx-4 thermal paste to the gpu. The 26R9074 long fan was already touching most of the left side of the gpu. After screwing in the fan, full contact was made. Idle temps dropped from ~60C to 48C and the fan was much quieter. I predict that the temps would be even lower if a thin shim (or the taken off thermal pad) is added ontop of the gpu heatsink area. Screwing down the keyboard would then clamp down on this spot.
Current Thinkpads: W530 (functional classic keyboard mod), X301, T61, T60, T43, T23, 600X, 770
Other: mk5 Toughbook cf-19, mk1 Toughbook cf-53
Other: mk5 Toughbook cf-19, mk1 Toughbook cf-53
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
My 1.86Mhz runs at about 53 under load idles at 48ish, repasting in the summer i think.
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Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
My 1.86Mhz runs at about 53 under load idles at 48ish, re-pasting in the summer i think. It's a 2668-84G with the x300 btw.
Arch//Openbox R61//GNOME 3 X201i/X230 Tablet //Spectrwm T61/X61/X61 Debian 9/X32
Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
I use my T43p as service computer in garage.
M780 2,26GHz, hitachi 100GB 7200 rpm and 2gb ram (now windows 7 pro)
the last unique construction with colored keyboard
as daily driver I use W500 - good solid machine with Windows 7 support
I plan only upgrade cpu from 2.8 to 3,06
p.s.
some time ago my company give me dell latitude with i5 but I hidden this crap in wardrobe
M780 2,26GHz, hitachi 100GB 7200 rpm and 2gb ram (now windows 7 pro)
the last unique construction with colored keyboard
as daily driver I use W500 - good solid machine with Windows 7 support
I plan only upgrade cpu from 2.8 to 3,06
p.s.
some time ago my company give me dell latitude with i5 but I hidden this crap in wardrobe
W500 @ T9900, 7K750, 2GB ITM as TMP
now W500, W700, X301, X120e,T43p
before T23, T40, T43p*2, T61p*3 (I hate Nvidia),
Total solution for absolutely ZERO oscillatory noise in t4x
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... highlight=
now W500, W700, X301, X120e,T43p
before T23, T40, T43p*2, T61p*3 (I hate Nvidia),
Total solution for absolutely ZERO oscillatory noise in t4x
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... highlight=
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
You can modify the T60 keyboard to look identical to a T43 keyboard (including the trackpoint buttons).AdaSch wrote:I use my T43p as service computer in garage.
M780 2,26GHz, hitachi 100GB 7200 rpm and 2gb ram (now windows 7 pro)
the last unique construction with colored keyboard
as daily driver I use W500 - good solid machine with Windows 7 support
I plan only upgrade cpu from 2.8 to 3,06
p.s.
some time ago my company give me dell latitude with i5 but I hidden this crap in wardrobe
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systemBuilder
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Anybody can make a decent-sounding sub-$400 laptop with an i3 processor and FullHD. In my message, I specifically said the new Toshiba Chromebook is IPS and 400 NITS. It also has an M.2 SSD slot which trounces any HDD. It turns out the Celeron 3215U has an Octane score of 18,000, and the i3-5005U has ... an Octane score of 18,000 !!! Again, for $329, the Celeron 3215U CB35-C3300 is a steal; it crushes our T60p T7500 and equals the FireGL v5250 gpu. We have many T42's also.pianowizard wrote:Doesn't sound like such a good deal when compared with this $350 Asus laptop with 15.6" FHD, Core i3-5010U, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, DVD burner and Windows 10: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B011KFQASE?tag ... PDKIKX0DERsystemBuilder wrote:Since June I was an alpha tester of the new Toshiba Chromebook 2 with Celeron 3215U. This is a dual-CPU chromebook which does 18,000 on the Octane benchmarks. It has a 13.3" Full-HD IPS 400 nits display and 4GB of RAM and costs a measly $329.00 at retail.
People liked the thinkpads because they had long battery lives, didn't give off a lot of heat, had some great screens, keyboards, and trackpads. The first four of those characteristics are in the Toshiba Chromebook 2 although I miss the 4:3 aspect ratio and the scratchpad. You cannot argue with 10 hrs of battery life from a 3 lbs laptop. Once you load windows on a chromebook most of the advantages (longevity/lightness, responsiveness) disappear because windows is really, really inefficient, especially MS Office.
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Lots of thinkpads (10+) but I would never be so stupid as to list them all because that would spam everybody's searches and people who *do* try to list them all would be jerks.
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theterminator93
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
A Chromebook is a purpose built web machine, and in that regard they fare well. But there's no way a Chromebook can replace a proper Windows laptop for me since the power just isn't there and I need support for a different array of applications that aren't web/cloud based. Plus, they break relatively easily and have their own set of reliability issues (I've deployed thousands of various makes and models in educational environments and have seen how well these fare vs. traditional laptops) and are often not cost effective to repair.
Chromebooks do what they're designed to do well, no arguing that. It's a different market segment entirely, which cannot be ignored.
Chromebooks do what they're designed to do well, no arguing that. It's a different market segment entirely, which cannot be ignored.
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
For those of you who would still like to buy a T43/p, I have some for sale!
Both have a SATA-mod done by me.
T43: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120015
This T43p should get a place of honor in any collection, it looks that new!
It has a 15" IPS SXGA+ screen and it has up to 300Mbps Wifi-N.
T43p: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120229
Both have a SATA-mod done by me.
T43: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120015
This T43p should get a place of honor in any collection, it looks that new!
It has a 15" IPS SXGA+ screen and it has up to 300Mbps Wifi-N.
T43p: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=120229
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
I think they're still fun machines, although, as someone said, they're increasingly less capable on the web front these days.
I picked up a T43 on eBay not too long ago, did the bios mod, put a 160gb PATA drive in it, new keyboard, new battery. It's got Windows 7 on it now and it runs fairly well for what it is. I've been thinking about putting an SSD in it, but not sure if I will yet. Basically, it's a fun money hole, but I wouldn't expect to ever get my money back out of it, or for it to serve as an every day computer.
I use my x220t most of the time, but there are some tasks for which I enjoy the 1400x1050 on the T43 a lot more than the 1366x768 on the x220t. I miss those good 'ol high res 4:3 screens.
I picked up a T43 on eBay not too long ago, did the bios mod, put a 160gb PATA drive in it, new keyboard, new battery. It's got Windows 7 on it now and it runs fairly well for what it is. I've been thinking about putting an SSD in it, but not sure if I will yet. Basically, it's a fun money hole, but I wouldn't expect to ever get my money back out of it, or for it to serve as an every day computer.
I use my x220t most of the time, but there are some tasks for which I enjoy the 1400x1050 on the T43 a lot more than the 1366x768 on the x220t. I miss those good 'ol high res 4:3 screens.
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
I have 2 T43s (ATI x300) running as daily driver
both of them have the 160gb Hitachi 5k160 IDE hard drive with 2gb ram and fingerprint sensor
The 15" version have an upgraded 2.26ghz Pentium M 780, an UXGA display, a replaced 9-cell battery, and a DVD-RW drive
The 14.1" version have everything in stock config except for hard drive and ram.
Both of them are running in Windows 10 10586 x86
The 15" is really great except the animations may be laggy.
The 14.1" have absolutely no lags for windows 10 animations but the screen shell is cracked and the screen seemed to be slightly yellowish.
I love the UXGA display even to today's standard.
If you just do some light stuff like me: streaming Spotify, writing assignments, checking mails, shopping on eBay, etc. This could be your daily driver as long as you fully upgrade the ram at the very least.
both of them have the 160gb Hitachi 5k160 IDE hard drive with 2gb ram and fingerprint sensor
The 15" version have an upgraded 2.26ghz Pentium M 780, an UXGA display, a replaced 9-cell battery, and a DVD-RW drive
The 14.1" version have everything in stock config except for hard drive and ram.
Both of them are running in Windows 10 10586 x86
The 15" is really great except the animations may be laggy.
The 14.1" have absolutely no lags for windows 10 animations but the screen shell is cracked and the screen seemed to be slightly yellowish.
I love the UXGA display even to today's standard.
If you just do some light stuff like me: streaming Spotify, writing assignments, checking mails, shopping on eBay, etc. This could be your daily driver as long as you fully upgrade the ram at the very least.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Right now, i'am using T41(XGA) with windows 7 pro for a daily use...it is still fast enough for typing and browsing. I'am also have T30(XGA), T43p(UXGA), R60, X60s, X200, T60 and T60p, all these laptop working well even in windows 10.
T43p Type 2669-BB4 : 2.13 Ghz|1 GB|ATI FireGL V3200|40 GB|15" UXGA
T30 Type 2366-87M : 2 Ghz|2 GB|ATI Radeon 7500|40 GB PATA|14" XGA
T43 Type 2668-VQX : 2 Ghz|2 GB|ATI X300|60 GB PATA|15" UXGA
T60p Type 2007-YS3 : 2.33 Ghz|2 GB|ATI FireGL V5250|80 GB SSD|15" SXGA
T30 Type 2366-87M : 2 Ghz|2 GB|ATI Radeon 7500|40 GB PATA|14" XGA
T43 Type 2668-VQX : 2 Ghz|2 GB|ATI X300|60 GB PATA|15" UXGA
T60p Type 2007-YS3 : 2.33 Ghz|2 GB|ATI FireGL V5250|80 GB SSD|15" SXGA
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Turns out I kind of did buy a T43 today. Scored an operational Z60m from the feebay.
Daily driver: lenovo T500 P9700, WUXGA, 8GB
Ultraportable: IBM lenovo X60s
Home theater: lenovo T420
Enable advanced features on older Synaptics touchpads with the registry: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122612
Ultraportable: IBM lenovo X60s
Home theater: lenovo T420
Enable advanced features on older Synaptics touchpads with the registry: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122612
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
One quick correction: Any ThinkPad T series before T43 will NOT work with Windows 10 due to the missing NX-bit function by the CPU (PAE also in the case of T40-42, SSE2 as well in the case of T20-23). That is why I gave my T42 to the school and trade with their T23 and A30 while I kept my 2 T43s and already fully upgraded one of them.priono2000 wrote:Right now, i'am using T41(XGA) with windows 7 pro for a daily use...it is still fast enough for typing and browsing. I'am also have T30(XGA), T43p(UXGA), R60, X60s, X200, T60 and T60p, all these laptop working well even in windows 10.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
With the advent that the T43p handles OS/2 Warp 4.52 effortlessly with complete driver support, my opinion on the laptop has changed somewhat. While it 'just barely' runs Windows 7, OS/2 Warp is an entirely different story.
It fulfills a very odd niche that not really much else can.
Surreal going from Windows 7 (with full driver support) to OS/2 Warp (with full driver support).
It fulfills a very odd niche that not really much else can.
Surreal going from Windows 7 (with full driver support) to OS/2 Warp (with full driver support).
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
You might want to know that regardless af the absence of the NX-bit, and the lack of PAE-support in T42's, Windows 8 can actually be installed on T42's as discussed in the thread Windows 8 on a T42 - anyone? pointing onwards to Windows 8 installed on a T42!kfzhu1229 wrote:One quick correction: Any ThinkPad T series before T43 will NOT work with Windows 10 due to the missing NX-bit function by the CPU (PAE also in the case of T40-42, SSE2 as well in the case of T20-23).
Whether someone has tried (and perhaps even succeeded?) to install Windows 10 on a T42/p; that I don't know.
Johan
IBM T42p's (2373-Q1U & -Q2U): 2.1 GHz, 15" UXGA FlexView, 2 GB RAM, 128 MB FireGL T2, 128 GB 1.8" SATA SSD, IBM a/b/g, BT, Win 7 Ultimate
IBM T42 (2373-N1G): 1.8 GHz, 15" SXGA+ FlexView, 2 GB RAM, 64 MB Radeon 9600, 64 GB 1.8" SATA SSD, IBM a/b/g, BT, Win 7 Ultimate
IBM T42 (2373-N1G): 1.8 GHz, 15" SXGA+ FlexView, 2 GB RAM, 64 MB Radeon 9600, 64 GB 1.8" SATA SSD, IBM a/b/g, BT, Win 7 Ultimate
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
First, Windows 10 modified the ntoskrnl and none of the patches work, and even if they work, you know Windows 10 has an automatic Windows Update which cannot be disabled easily.Johan wrote: You might want to know that regardless af the absence of the NX-bit, and the lack of PAE-support in T42's, Windows 8 can actually be installed on T42's as discussed in the thread Windows 8 on a T42 - anyone? pointing onwards to Windows 8 installed on a T42!
Whether someone has tried (and perhaps even succeeded?) to install Windows 10 on a T42/p; that I don't know.
Johan
And I am curious if I can make either my A30 (Don't be fooled by the name, it is a Pentium III M model, not T30's P4m) or T42 in Windows 8.1... That super long post was annoying to see and follow... If you know the way to do it that will be much appreciated.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
basically my means ..exTPfan wrote:Not a T43 (fan too noisy), but I did buy a T42p 1600x1200 IPS in almost-new condition for $188 a year ago, and I'm currently using it 8 hours a day in my work (I'm a mathematician). In comparison with a T450s, it has a much better (NMB) keyboard, a much taller screen, and with an SSD is only slightly slower on the things I do.
I can't find a better solutions for my tasks ( that would be : a better 15' 4:3 screen on a laptop ..with a better keyboard .. )
I have also a t 61 too which i use for different tasks , it runs much smooter then the t43p, but for some visual tasks the 4:3 15'' t43p is nearly necessary to me
The only speculation I still can have to upgrade my job assistant is to build a frankenpad , I don't think there's many if any 15'' 4:3 lcd laptop available nowdays .
I have a t43p running w8 , and would like to know if someone got it runinng w10 with any decent resut if any different from w8
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
There is no magnesium frame around the board (a.k.a rollcage) in the T4x, but there is one in the T60.micrex22 wrote:#2 The "roll cage" was present on the T43p in the same way as on the T60 (at least the 14.1" T60).
T4x:
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20070208/Img248128187.jpg
T60:
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20070208/Img248128186.jpg
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Retired: X61 7673-V2V, A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
Past: Z61t 9440-A23, T60 2623-D3U, X32 2884-M5U
Collectibles: T430s (IPS FHD + Classic Keyboard), X32 (IPS Screen)
Retired: X61 7673-V2V, A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
Past: Z61t 9440-A23, T60 2623-D3U, X32 2884-M5U
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Windows 10 gives you better experiences (things like Cortana, start menu and action center) and better animations but in terms of speed it is the same. Also if you do frankenpad, try to use 2.26ghz Pentium M 780 + 2gb RAM + XGA screen (SXGA+ if XGA is not enough, UXGA makes everything laggier) and also a 7200RPM HDD (But do bear in mind about error 2010 unless you want to risk and do a BIOS mod)boodi wrote:basically my means ..exTPfan wrote:Not a T43 (fan too noisy), but I did buy a T42p 1600x1200 IPS in almost-new condition for $188 a year ago, and I'm currently using it 8 hours a day in my work (I'm a mathematician). In comparison with a T450s, it has a much better (NMB) keyboard, a much taller screen, and with an SSD is only slightly slower on the things I do.
I can't find a better solutions for my tasks ( that would be : a better 15' 4:3 screen on a laptop ..with a better keyboard .. )
I have also a t 61 too which i use for different tasks , it runs much smooter then the t43p, but for some visual tasks the 4:3 15'' t43p is nearly necessary to me
The only speculation I still can have to upgrade my job assistant is to build a frankenpad , I don't think there's many if any 15'' 4:3 lcd laptop available nowdays .
I have a t43p running w8 , and would like to know if someone got it runinng w10 with any decent resut if any different from w8
15" 4:3 LCD are available everywhere on eBay and I have a XGA one + cable from my T43 as I have UXGA now. I remembered the condition is not the very best (maybe slightly yellowed screen, a few unnoticeable scratches, some dirt went inside the LCD, but no dead pixels) and the cable is not contacting the best (at a single angle the screen may flicker once) I also appear to have a working XGA inverter from a 14.1" T43 unit. Lid is very easy to find on eBay.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
You should remember that most of the people that use ThinkPads (such as myself) will have their mentality diametrically opposed to Windows 10 gimmicks and cancerous workflow mutations. My fingers work faster than my mouth, so I have no interest in talking to my computer (re: Cortana). The Windows 10 start menu is a joke, I don't want my computer sending me advertisements and news I don't care about (or polling websites constantly for streaming that data even when it's not being presented to me after removing said 'live tiles'). Windows 10 also has the *worst* GUI yet with flat shading rendering buttons ambiguous and a bipolar colour scheme with a black task bar and white title bars. Better animations? Nobody who needs to do serious work on a high-functioning computer will have the animations and transitions enabled... they waste time-- and due to the fact I flash through windows and programs so quickly, in many cases I work *faster* than the time it takes for the transitions to animate, so if they are enabled it just slows me down.kfzhu1229 wrote: Windows 10 gives you better experiences (things like Cortana, start menu and action center) and better animations but in terms of speed it is the same. Also if you do frankenpad, try to use 2.26ghz Pentium M 780 + 2gb RAM + XGA screen (SXGA+ if XGA is not enough, UXGA makes everything laggier) and also a 7200RPM HDD (But do bear in mind about error 2010 unless you want to risk and do a BIOS mod)
Also, Windows 7 is actually faster than Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, graphically. My 3840x2400 monitor stutters under Windows 8.1/10 when doing graphically intense operations versus being smooth under Windows 7. There's many reasons why this could be... but it's wrong to say it's 'the same' in terms of speed, it's not. Granted this is a unique thing as most people are running low-resolution 16:9 monitors and so they wouldn't know any better.
There is *no* risk doing a T43p BIOS mod, so I'm not entirely sure where you got that idea from. The TTAV BIOS is just a simple flash and go.
With that said, I'm not trying to be malicious, just offering my perspective since I deal with 7/8.1/10 on a daily basis, with different hardware. The T43 is a sad distant memory of what a sensical portable computer needs in terms of aesthetics and interfacing.
Proper keyboard with good feedback? Check.
TrackPoint instead of a stupid finger-paint-exclusive touchscreen? Check.
High resolution with good vertical? Check.
Amazing colour scheme that soars beyond anything else ever conceived? Check. Some people hate the T43 aesthetic, but it has more character and personality you'll get with anything else. Those who can recognize it adore it, those who can't see the genius in its design will think it looks ugly.
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Most likely has to do with specific video driver optimizations. Hardware drivers are always most optimized for their contemporary OS versions. So older hardware will likely perform a bit better with Win7, newer hardware with Win10.micrex22 wrote:Also, Windows 7 is actually faster than Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, graphically. My 3840x2400 monitor stutters under Windows 8.1/10 when doing graphically intense operations versus being smooth under Windows 7.
Current: X220 4291-4BG, T410 2537-R46, T60 1952-F76, T60 2007-QPG, T42 2373-F7G
Collectibles: T430s (IPS FHD + Classic Keyboard), X32 (IPS Screen)
Retired: X61 7673-V2V, A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
Past: Z61t 9440-A23, T60 2623-D3U, X32 2884-M5U
Collectibles: T430s (IPS FHD + Classic Keyboard), X32 (IPS Screen)
Retired: X61 7673-V2V, A31p w/ Ultrabay Numpad
Past: Z61t 9440-A23, T60 2623-D3U, X32 2884-M5U
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Well I just feel like Windows 10 looks better and it is just a personal opinion really. As long as u disable these automated stuff it works fine on a 11 years old T43
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Just put a new heatsink in, upgraded the CPU to 2.13Ghz and put in 2x1GB matched RAM, the fan is now quiet and at first glance it feels snappier. Indeed it can actually play 720p video with ~ 30% CPU utilisation and the CPU temp is within the 50-55 range. I was concerned i had put too much paste on but going from1.86Ghz to 2.13Ghz probably means more heat, but it idles at 50 so i'm not too unhappy as thats just a little cooler than before.brchan wrote:T43 models also run hot even with a 2ghz P-M + x300 gpu.
Arch//Openbox R61//GNOME 3 X201i/X230 Tablet //Spectrwm T61/X61/X61 Debian 9/X32
Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Work - Win7/X220T BunsenLabs T43
Retired T60p/T60/X30/X31/X61S RIP T400/T21/X61T/X200T
Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
The CPU goes up to 2.26Ghz (Pentium M 780)Dekks wrote:Just put a new heatsink in, upgraded the CPU to 2.13Ghz and put in 2x1GB matched RAM, the fan is now quiet and at first glance it feels snappier. Indeed it can actually play 720p video with ~ 30% CPU utilisation and the CPU temp is within the 50-55 range. I was concerned i had put too much paste on but going from1.86Ghz to 2.13Ghz probably means more heat, but it idles at 50 so i'm not too unhappy as thats just a little cooler than before.brchan wrote:T43 models also run hot even with a 2ghz P-M + x300 gpu.
I did not notice too much difference between a 1.86ghz 750 and 780 since they all have the same TDP.
720p is 100% fine for local file playback and can also handle youtube 720p but not 60fps.
I would say 720p utilization is around 30% to 60% depending on the video quality and codec (MPEG2 requires much less CPU power due to the GPU acceleration and lower quality but H264 would certainly take 60% CPU power for a Pentium M 780 but the image quality looks amazing)
The top 2.26ghz also handles some 1080p video playback while the common 750 simply cannot.
MPC is recommended because it outputs maximum efficiency even though the UI does not look too good.
T43 can be very flexible. It can run Windows NT 4.0 SP6 all the way to Windows 10 if you have the ATI graphics.
Always buy a IBM approved or 5400 or 7200rpm Hitachi IDE hard drive if you do not plan to do the BIOS mod.
In terms of LCD upgrade, the Intel graphics version does not give you much choices, only XGA or sometimes 15" SXGA+ while the ATI versions can handle XGA, SXGA+, UXGA and QXGA if you have the right cable. Inverter changing is also recommended for LCD upgrade but I found it not completely necessary at the price of heating up more and consuming more battery.
At idle the machine should settle at around 45 degrees Celsius even under Windows 10.
At full load the machine may throttle depending on your environment so Fan64 mode from TPFanControl is recommended for 86+ degrees Celsius.
The southbridge heats up the base area right below the palmrest. The palmrest's temperature may be acceptable, but certainly not the area below it.
The fingerprint sensor does work under 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. I found the support for Fingerprint sensor under Windows 10 is the best.
Radeon X300 is not a very strong GPU but at least it handles Windows Aero just fine.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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ajkula66
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
I'm not quite sure that I understand why one would settle for an older, inferior (in terms of both performance and capacity) drive just to gain a few seconds during the boot time while the "2010" warning is displayed...both WD Blue 320GB and Samsung HM160HC will leave any of these older drives eating their dust.kfzhu1229 wrote: Always buy a IBM approved or 5400 or 7200rpm Hitachi IDE hard drive if you do not plan to do the BIOS mod.
While a single-core CPU will easily be throttled by many of today's applications, I've found that undervolting Dothans works quite well in extending that point and making it almost acceptable. There are trade-offs to be made, though, one way or another.At full load the machine may throttle depending on your environment so Fan64 mode from TPFanControl is recommended for 86+ degrees Celsius.
The southbridge heats up the base area right below the palmrest. The palmrest's temperature may be acceptable, but certainly not the area below it.
Having said that, even a SATA-modded T43p spec'd out with 2GB RAM and SSD shows its age *really* quick when tested head-to-head with a *61 unit, let alone a newer system. While these machines will run W7 in a fairly competent manner, they shine in the realm of XP which in itself says a lot about their overall usability today.
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Cheers,
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Cheers,
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AARP club members:A31p, T43pSF
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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
I seriously wouldn't put XP on that thing. It is very obvious that under Windows XP SP2 or SP3 a Pentium 4 650 is going to beat a Pentium M 780 hands down. No matter how much startup options I actually disable it still takes more than one minute to start Windows XP, which is the same time a 450mhz MMC2 Pentium III Coppermine ThinkPad 390X took, while a Pentium 4 on Dell OEM Windows XP takes 30 seconds to start. A Pentium 4 really shows its snappiness in Windows XP while a Pentium M 780, not as so. If you move into Windows 7, they show equal performance and when you move to 8.1 and later, that is when Pentium M 780 beats the Pentium 4's performance if you forget about heat. I think if you really need performance, Windows 2000 is better. I remembered that one being really snappy even though it takes forever to start. Windows XP is not as optimized to the Dothan cores. Windows server 2003 shows that significantly. I used XP and 2003 for some years and remembered being so tired of sitting in front of my T43 watching the loading bar's blocks moving right. Also one more thing since I was using Chinese, the Truetype font is only available for English texts under Windows XP so the font edges also looked horrible comparing to Windows 7. I also had tons of problems such as getting the fingerprint software to work under Windows XP. I don't know how you can get away with that but even Windows 7 starts faster in every single way under a Pentium M. Don't let the automatic update slide though, that will hurt the performance. I don't know how you think but for me, I have had enough with Windows XP. If you like XP, that is understandable because there is still over 30% of Chinese people using XP today because it is much easier to crack than 7.
Patience, boys. All good things to those who wait. – Mother Gothel (Tangled)
_________________________________
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
_________________________________
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
2xT43 14.1" 2.26 SXGA+ 2gb 1*fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
Flexview UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10
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ajkula66
- SuperUserGeorge

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Re: Would you buy a T43 today?
Says who? Intel, IBM, Microsoft?kfzhu1229 wrote: Windows XP is not as optimized to the Dothan cores.
I never liked XP.If you like XP, that is understandable because there is still over 30% of Chinese people using XP today because it is much easier to crack than 7.
Having said that, it doesn't stop me for recognizing which OS works the best on the given hardware.
Lastly, I'm neither Chinese nor do I maintain any interest in cracking.
...Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one sets the rules...(King Crimson)
Cheers,
George (your grouchy retired FlexView farmer)
AARP club members:A31p, T43pSF
Abused daily: R61
PMs requesting personal tech support will be ignored.
Cheers,
George (your grouchy retired FlexView farmer)
AARP club members:A31p, T43pSF
Abused daily: R61
PMs requesting personal tech support will be ignored.
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