Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

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Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#1 Post by jlee » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:01 pm

I was thinking about buying one, but they're pretty expensive on ebay (upwards 200+). Is the uxga and form factor in your opinion worth the money? What are the pros and cons? Do the old school ports work under linux (parallel port etc). I own a 14" t42 for context, and I fitted a uxga screen onto a t60, but I personally think thta the t4Xp series had a better design and was smoother.

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#2 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:23 pm

It really depends on one's needs and expectations.

I own a SATA-modded T43p, running an Intel X-25E SLC SSD and love it dearly. Having said that, web experiences in both W7 and Linux are less than stellar. The system struggles with today's web architecture due to its single-core CPU and no amount of tweaking can change that state of affairs IME.
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Re: Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#3 Post by dr_st » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:06 am

I have to agree with George's summary above. The single core (and not even a hyper-threaded one) really keeps these old ones back.

I have a T42 SXGA+ IPS myself (that was the first Thinkpad I ever owned, incidentally). Now it's been relegated to a backup-of-a-backup in my parents' house; only used for light web browsing and Office occasionally. I didn't even bother upgrading it in any meaningful way (SSD, UXGA etc.) - it is simply not worth it to me for such a rarely-used computer, especially considering that T42, unlike T43 is PATA only and you cannot even apply a SATA mod to speed it up a bit.

If you really want a 4:3 SXGA+/UXGA IPS, just stick with a T60 (or better yet a T601 Frankenpad). It has quite a bit more to offer over a T43. It is also better-designed in almost every way, except maybe the looks, which are a subjective thing. I find the overall case design of T60 more appealing, but T4x series has some specific advantages, like red stripes on trackpoint, slightly bigger touchpad and a few others that I would not mind to give up to have the extra performance of a whole CPU core.

Some good pics of T4x vs T60 15", for those who want to refresh their memory, are available here:
By NathanA: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=48697
By yours truly: /viewtopic.php?t=48697#p593888
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Re: Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#4 Post by wujstefan » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:24 am

$200 for 15" T4xp!

in Poland those are easily obtainable for less than $100, and if you hunt well - in a very good shape.

Unless you are web brosing these are nice machines. I personally like the craftsmanship better than any T6x and above, use it much, love it, keep it on the Royal Shelf. Maybe it's because this was my first thinkpad ever, obtained by accident and with giant amount of stories I'd tell to my children and/or forum users someday.
dr_st wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:06 am
If you really want a 4:3 SXGA+/UXGA IPS, just stick with a T60 (or better yet a T601 Frankenpad).
I completely, totally agree with that. And with some help and a little bit of work, your final output may look like this:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2p58 ... TNTZUx5UHc

Not to mention $200 is actually enough to build a startup frankenpad with X3100 that will still do wonderfully well in everyday usage.
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Re: Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#5 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:07 pm

I still have my T43p used as a daily driver. Now it has some scuffs from my daily commuting.
The UXGA IPS LCD is still nice to use. The FireGL V3200 fares so much better than X300 to UXGA panels, though I can certainly use a newer GPU with video acceleration and DX 9.0c or DX 10 support.
Windows 10 still works on this computer, I guess.
The speed of this computer is not very fast and everybody knows that, but I feel like I can be patient enough to wait for that, as it is not like the apps that I use on this computer fails to load.
YouTube still works for me, in 720p30.
Now the batteries that I bought a few years ago are really starting to struggle with it barely being able to squeeze past one hour of battery life.
I am considering to retire this computer from my daily driver by the end of this year or so, as I feel like it is no longer worthy for me to go out and buy replacement batteries for this thing again, and my newer T530 is gonna get a 1080p display upgrade and mSATA SSD. I am probably gonna use that computer for another year or so, and then when I decide to upgrade, I will go all out and get a laptop computer with at least GTX 10 series GPU.
As for overall usefulness, I guess you can still use it, if you can keep it from being OS bloated.
As for pricing, I personally find it hard to obtain a T4x with IPS display for under $100. I got mine for $200 in total 2 years ago (upgraded a 15" T43 to T43p eventually during a span of one year or so).
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Re: Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#6 Post by Hans Gruber » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:49 am

Stick with XP on a T43. I think T43's run better using Linux.
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Re: Those who own the 15" T4xp laptops, how useful are they in 2017?

#7 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:41 pm

Well I have just fixed another one of those UXGA IPS LCD with red backlight (From an A31p but on my T43), and things look so much better on a T43 of mine after getting rid of the red hue. UXGA panels are still pretty useful, while not so for XGA panels anymore.
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