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IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#1 Post by Callahan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:04 am

Just finished reading this article 'IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD: A Blast from the Past' ... since the T41 and two T42s are the only computers I currently have.

I thought some others still 'rockin' with a T42 might like reading the review. The article is really a 'blast from the past' X 2.

The article is from 2010 and the author is talking about a T42 model from 2004 or thereabouts. I was interested in more information on 'LCD and LED displays' for an older ThinkPad and came across this. The author calls it an 'archeological find'.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/4052/ibm ... m-the-past

IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD: A Blast from the Past

by Jarred Walton on December 7, 2010

IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD: A Blast from the Past

As a vocal proponent of improving laptop LCD quality—and LCD quality for desktops as well—the past few years have been painful. True, laptop LCDs have never been at the level of their desktop counterparts, but once upon a time there were at least a few laptops that didn't use TN panels. One of those is the vaunted IBM ThinkPad T42, launched way back in 2004. Besides coming before virtually everything migrated to widescreen displays, the T42 is one of the few laptops to use an IPS panel. As luck would have it, I recently had a chance to use a T42, and I took the opportunity to run it through our standard set of LCD tests. Mostly I was curious to see the results, but I figured some of our readers would enjoy getting our impressions of this archeological find as well.

Before we get to the display, let's make a few other points about this venerable old soldier. First, it's absolutely astonishing how well a six-year-old laptop continues to hold together—a true testament to the ThinkPad engineering team. The LCD hinges are still fully intact and work well, the chassis still feels solid, and the particular T42 I had access to is even running Windows 7…and running it rather well, actually! Of course, this was no entry-level laptop back when it was purchased. It has 2GB of DDR-266 RAM, a fast 1.8GHz Pentium M 745 (Dothan) processor, and it even includes a powerful (at the time) Mobility Radeon 9600 with 64MB of RAM. You might laugh at some of those specs, but this system will still run circles around Atom and it checked in at roughly $2500 at the time of purchase. Then again, six years of use for $2500 is pretty darn impressive.

.... there's much more to the article with pictures and charts.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#2 Post by dr_st » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:10 am

One my first laptops was such a T42 as he reviewed (the 2373-F7G, still in my sig). Bought in new in 2005. It's the 15" SXGA+ IPS with 1.8GHz Dothan and Mobility 9600. I was very happy with the IPS screen quality (and the resolution) at the time, though of course by today's standards the screen is quite dim and has dimmed further due to the poor aging of the LG IPS panels.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#3 Post by Callahan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:28 am

Well I have had all three of my T4x ThinkPads since 2010. All three were listed as 'refurbished' but my T42 - 15in was really like new. Maybe before it was used very much, a newer model was bought to replace it ... I don't know of course. The T41 - 14in seemed to used the most with some cosmetic wear and the keyboard shiny with a few keys somewhat faint. I replaced that with a new one and all three got a newer Dothan 1.8 CPU some years later.

The T41 has been used the most since 2010 ... many hours ... the two T42s mostly are in their cases and they all get updated every so often with backups.

Getting back to the T41 ... with all the daily use, I don't think I see any signs of the screen going dim ... so far. That's what I was searching around for. I usually have kept my screen brightness lower ... and then last year I installed a 'blue light' filter program for night use.

Also in the last two years I installed a free utility (NirCmd utility) to turn the screen completely off, if I'm doing a download for instance. I thought that might help with the life of the backlight.

I also used this to turn the screen off and I just decided to go with that little utility. I found this information somewhere, maybe here in an older post.

"The CCFL backlight can and will burn out over time unless LCD is off. Use the Fn+F3 combination to switch off the screen to make sure the backlight/CCFL strip doesn't burn out."

So turning the screen off when possible should help ... or will this be more harmful in the long run ... turning it off and on?
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#4 Post by dr_st » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:46 am

There was some specific defect with the LG 15" SXGA+ IPS panels that were used on T42, T43 and T60, which was causing them to dim noticeably within 1.5-2 years of life, and then kinda stay at that level. They weren't losing brightness uncontrollably, so even many years down the road they remain useful.

Your T41 is not IPS, because there were not IPS T41 (they were all 14.1"), so it does not apply.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#5 Post by Callahan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:09 am

My T41 is a 14.1 size ... my one T42 has a larger screen or a 15 inch. However, you mention a term that I have never heard before ... IPS. Searching Google, I can find no information (so far) what IPS stands for.

I found this information: IPS displays have become increasingly common on notebook computers, though TN panels still make up the majority sold. TN panels are less expensive to produce. Notebooks with IPS displays can generally be found starting around $600. The Dell Inspiron 15 7559 is one example.

So what display does the T41 have ... is it a TN panel? I also don't know what 'TN' stands for. I will search that out.

What about my two T42s ... one is a 14 and the other a little larger which I take to be 15 inch. Would they probably be IPS or still a TN display?

... reading the article from above again and some Google searching ... I guess I have TN panels.
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#6 Post by dr_st » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:58 am

Strange, I thought you would know about IPS by reading the review you linked to. He talked about it quite extensively, although seemingly only glossing over its primary advantage over TN - wide viewing angles.

Back in the day, the 15" SXGA+ (1400x1050) and UXGA (1600x1200) panels on T42, T42p, T43, T43p, T60, T60p, R50p, R51 where IPS. The rest (including all 14.1" units) were TN. Before that you could find IPS panels on select A31 and all A30p/A31p units. And (almost) all of the Thinkpad X tablets were IPS.

There were several years where IPS was almost nowhere to be found on laptops, but gradually, as manufacturing costs went down and people's awareness went up, it became more popular, to the point of being almost standard now on higher end models.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#7 Post by w0qj » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:36 am

Callahan wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:04 am
...six years of use for $2500 is pretty darn impressive.
That's the beauty of ThinkPads... when you amortize the ThinkPad cost over 5+ years, you actually get a good bang for your buck!
Especially if you extend your ThinkPad to 5 Year Warranty like we do.

I still miss my T42 for its 4:3 TFT LCD screen, an aspect ratio which lets you be more productive with your daily work.
And the TFT screen is actually OK for doing daily work.

Putting a PATA SSD into the T42 *greatly* speeded up my T42 speed!
[Edit: This is not a typo. A Parallel ATA SSD in T42. Imagine that!]

I still miss my T42 ;)
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#8 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:51 am

While LG screens found in T42 and many subsequent models did not age gracefully in the least when it comes to brightness, they were incredibly easy on the eyes when new(ish) and arguably had better colour reproduction than their ID Tech and Hydis counterparts.

In general, an IPS-equipped T42 was a great system for its day and age and I'm certain that there are many of us around here who remember them with fondness. They were also remarkably quiet, especially when compared to T43 when it first came out. With all of that being said, the RoHS-soldering-related problems killed a lot of them in the stage when they were still useful.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#9 Post by Callahan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:11 pm

dr_st ... I missed that mention, I've heard of the term 'TN' before but not the other. I was happy the computers didn't have any burned out pixels and the screens looked OK ... bright and no scratches. I wondered about the tube behind the screen and how long it might last.

I seem to remember that it might have been advertised that the computers (two of them) were refurbished by IBM but I'm not sure at this point. My T42 - 15 in came from a seller in Seattle who told me on the phone that it was like new and I would be very happy with the purchase. It was a company selling a lot of ThinkPads and other brands.

I had an old slow Pentium Toshiba notebook before ... so these ThinkPads were fantastic when I received them. I was still using Windows 98SE in 2010 ... went to Windows XP in 2012. My plan was to use the three ThinkPads with Windows 98SE, Windows XP and Windows 2000. Eventually, I just put Windows XP on all three. I didn't have the time to update or work with three different OS's.
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#10 Post by w0qj » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:29 pm

Back in the day, our old Toshiba Protege was the only one that had its screen illumination tube burnt out... we then switched to ThinkPads, and have never looked back ;)

Our (small) fleet of notebooks was standardized on Win'XP, same reason as yours...
Now our (small) fleet of notebooks are standardized on Win7 (64-bit), again same reason as yours...

So when Win7 support ends in early 2020, we will then...
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...I wondered about the tube behind the screen and how long it might last...
...I had an old slow Pentium Toshiba notebook before ...
...I just put Windows XP on all three. I didn't have the time to update or work with three different OS's...
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#11 Post by dr_st » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Callahan wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:11 pm
My plan was to use the three ThinkPads with Windows 98SE, Windows XP and Windows 2000. Eventually, I just put Windows XP on all three.
That's what that generation works best with anyways. :D
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#12 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:43 pm

w0qj wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:29 pm
So when Win7 support ends in early 2020, we will then...
Well then that means T42 and below will be stuck with an unsupported version of Windows or switched to linux, and T43 (ATI based) and above can still live with Windows 10 for a little bit longer since T43 is stuck on an older version of Windows 10.
Honestly I don't even care about all those security updates and such since they either don't connect to internet at all or only goes to a certain number of websites (pretty much all of those older laptops are purposed with at most a singular purpose anyways)
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#13 Post by dr_st » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:57 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:43 pm
Well then that means T42 and below will be stuck with an unsupported version of Windows or switched to linux, and T43 (ATI based) and above can still live with Windows 10 for a little bit longer since T43 is stuck on an older version of Windows 10.
What's the newest version of Win10 that can work on a T43? If it's too old and not one of the long-term service branches, then its support may have already ended, or will end before 2020...
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Honestly I don't even care about all those security updates and such since they either don't connect to internet at all or only goes to a certain number of websites (pretty much all of those older laptops are purposed with at most a singular purpose anyways)
In that case you can probably stay even on XP (almost) indefinitely, not to mention the far more modern Windows 7. Thanks to some combination of popularity among users and lucky timing, Win7 has got many key technologies, and it will be a long time before applications and web protocols actually start breaking on it (as they are already breaking on XP/Vista).
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#14 Post by Callahan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:46 pm

Over the last year I have thought about picking up a copy of Windows 7 and see how it might work on one of my T42s. Just not ready yet to start that project.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#15 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:34 pm

dr_st wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:57 pm
What's the newest version of Win10 that can work on a T43? If it's too old and not one of the long-term service branches, then its support may have already ended, or will end before 2020...
The newest version that works perfectly on a ThinkPad R52/T43/p ATi variant is 10.0.14393 (The first anniversary edition that came out in 2016). Later versions have performance issues with the DirectX 9.0 capable but not 9.0c capable ATi card, while the current version and the April version simply give you a bluescreen upon setup. If you wanna try Windows 10, be sure to have at least a Pentium M 750 and 2GB RAM, and DM me for working drivers and workarounds to some problems you may experience in Windows 10 for a T43/p...
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In that case you can probably stay even on XP (almost) indefinitely, not to mention the far more modern Windows 7. Thanks to some combination of popularity among users and lucky timing, Win7 has got many key technologies, and it will be a long time before applications and web protocols actually start breaking on it (as they are already breaking on XP/Vista).
Well I like how Windows 10 looks (And animations are smoother than Windows 7, and doesn't quite lag a whole lot even on X300 graphics unless you use the UXGA display), and I had a bad memory of me stuck with a super bloated copy of Windows XP on my T43 before I know how to install OS...
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#16 Post by dr_st » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:14 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:34 pm
The newest version that works perfectly on a ThinkPad R52/T43/p ATi variant is 10.0.14393 (The first anniversary edition that came out in 2016).
That's good, because that is the LTSC, supported until 2026. 8)
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#17 Post by Trzyzet » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:06 am

w0qj wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:36 am
I still miss my T42 for its 4:3 TFT LCD screen, an aspect ratio which lets you be more productive with your daily work.
You don't need to be worried, most of more portable laptops now have 3:2 displays and this is still changing.
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#18 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:59 pm

dr_st wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:14 am
That's good, because that is the LTSC, supported until 2026. 8)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1 ... on_history
Hmm how are you gonna use LTSC? And right now for this anniversary edition, you have some apps in Windows store that you can no longer download, but otherwise it is pretty well functional with Microsoft Edge browser which works pretty well to older hardware (since you won't be having Windows Update enabled on those computers anyways)
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#19 Post by dr_st » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:20 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:59 pm
Hmm how are you gonna use LTSC?
It just means that Microsoft is committed to providing important bug fixes and security updates to this version, for a long time to come.
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#20 Post by popsmoke » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:49 pm

I have written before about my obsessive-compulsive Thinkpad T42 retirement hobby. I have picked up about 16 of these machines in various states of repair. Eight are in perfect condition currently. This is being composed on my daily driver a T42p, a truly great machine. I have other desktops and laptops around the house (ref the "obsessive-compulsive" remark above) and most are more recent, but the ergonomics of the T42 series lures me back like a siren song. Here is my two cents on this thread:

1. Weight, design, screen size, speakers, all perfect. Too perfect in fact. Lacking an exoskeleton to protect the MB from flexing, all you have to do is lift one by the front-right corner just ONCE, and you will crack the MB. I have ruined 3 machines this way, and I literally know better. There is a reason "they don't build em like this anymore." Exoskeletons were standard after the T42.

2. Hinges are fake metal. Lift a T42 by the screen and the left hinge will snap. Guaranteed. Done this too.

3. The standard display is awesome and wears well over time, although the comment about the backlight is accurate. They go. It is easier to swap screens from a donor machine than pry apart the display to change the backlight. Ditto for hinge issues.

With practice you can do even major surgery on the T42 in 20 mins or less. The IBM manual is overkill and you can pull out parts (like the fan) without removing half the machine first.

4. Not sure I agree with the enthusiasm for Win 7 and later OS. Installing Win7 will get you a "best guess" video driver that will SEEM to work but if you use the machine daily you will have one or two BSODs a day. Because the driver does not like Win7. There is a Russian modded driver floating around the net, not easy to find, that solves the BSOD problem handily but overall the video ram, the video card, and the processor will not even run a screen saver in Win7, and even VLC craps out trying to play a movie. (Although KM player seems to work better, for some reason). If you want to go nuts, set up a dual boot including WIN 7 and look for the modded driver. Anything beyond that is foolhardy.

5. The hard to find T42p is the best of the series because of the upgraded specs. If I were starting my nutty hobby from scratch I would look for T42ps only.

6. If you practise "safe downloading" you can use XP almost exclusively. I have 1000s of hours with XP on the T42 series and never infected. Browsers are a problem. No support. An anonymous programmer did a Pale Moon fork strictly for XP users called MYPAL and it works very well. Check it out.

7. As this is written, you can get a working machine for less than $50 and memory, DVD drives and even batteries are cheap and easy to find also.

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#21 Post by dr_st » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:17 am

Thanks for the write-up. :thumbs-UP: A couple of quick remarks:
  1. You are not distinguishing a 14.1" and a 15" T42, but in terms of weight, design, chassis - these are very different machines.
  2. The design changes were actually after T43. T43 design shares all the high and low points of the T42. The hardware is different, though.
  3. I don't share your pessimism that it's enough to lift a T42 by the screen or by the right corner even once to cause damage.
  4. Agree that Win7 is not ideal on these systems, but depending on which GPU you have, the driver may not be such a problem. I think ATI 7500, 9600 and X300 (T43) have slightly different levels of support.
  5. I found that I prefer Slimjet to Pale Moon on XP. It has better compatibility with the modern web.
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#22 Post by Callahan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:06 am

Well this is amazing ... I started this thread last month and I figured it had run it's course. I logged in today to start a new topic but after reading the last two recent topics, I can just continue on here.

Yesterday I decided I want to give Windows 7 SP1 X86 a try on one of my T42 machines. After going through some searching yesterday and early today ... to see what problems I might run into, the only possible problem I can find mention of will be trying to find a driver for the Radeon 7500. I did read about a 'modded driver floating around the net' as mentioned by popsmoke ... but I could not find a good working link ... I copied this version number from somewhere ... 6.14.10.6606 but now I can't find where I came up with this number. It may be the 'modded version' and maybe not. Anyone here recognize that version number?

However, I found this information in an older thread from this forum searching Google. Can anyone confirm this information from below ... "I found the 9000 Vista driver worked fine on the T4x 7500 GPU but the (non-mobility) 7500 driver gave more resolution settings. I never could find a mobility 7500 driver in Vista. (My understanding is that Win 7 uses mostly Vista drivers)"

What I found:

"The Radeon 9000 and (non-mobility) 7500 drivers should be built in to Win 7 (they are in Vista). But it's rather convoluted to get to them - they don't appear on the standard list of drivers in the hardware wizard - you need to uncheck a box for "compatible hardware only" (or words to that effect) in the wizard. I found the 9000 Vista driver worked fine on the T4x 7500 GPU but the (non-mobility) 7500 driver gave more resolution settings. I never could find a mobility 7500 driver in Vista. (My understanding is that Win 7 uses mostly Vista drivers)

I have used the driver included in vista for the mobility radeon 9000, and that worked fine, no bluescreens.

I can confirm that (non-Mobility) FireGL T2 driver on Windows 7 DOES work on T41p/T42p as I installed Win7 on my T41p yesterday and manually chose to install FireGL T2 driver.

After WEI assessment Aero kicked in ok and video performance was very good: 3,2 and 3,4 respectively.

I made some "before/after" tests also. In 3DMark2001SE I got 10700 points using XP SP3, in Win7 with the Win7 FireGL T2 driver score was 7700 points. Rather good considering that 3DMark 2001SE always results less score in Win7 vs XP.

Fire GL T2 is officially supported by both Vista and W7 where Radeon 7500 is not.

Nice to hear. Did you get the (non-Mobility) FireGL T2 driver that is in the win7 O.S or from somewhere else?

The driver for non-Mobility FireGL T2 was included in the Windows7 itself, just have to choose to select from all the drivers, not just compatible ones."
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I'm going to search around more for the "modded 7500 driver" unless there is already this Vista driver in Windows 7 that will work. Any further information would be appreciated. I may not keep Windows 7 on my T42 and just go back to Windows XP ... I have a quick Windows XP backup but I would like to check Windows 7out and see how it goes.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#23 Post by popsmoke » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:24 pm

DISCLAIMER: IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, THIS MESSAGE WAS COMPOSED ON A T42p IN PERFECT WORKING CONDITION


I too was pleasantly surprised to get feedback on the T42 line!

Quick comments:

1. This used to be a good source for the modded display drivers. Not sure if still working. I recall I had a lot of trouble using Google to translate from Russian http://radeon.ru/drivers/amd/mobility/ .. but the downloads were worth it.

2. Did not intentionally ignore the full size 15" T42s. I have two of them in my collection, perfectly restored. Because the hardware is virtually identical, except for screen size, I tend to consider them just another variation of the basic line. I take of one of them with me when I do chelation therapy (3hrs sitting in the same spot, staring at other people, in the same predicament) and everyone in the clinic comments on the familiar screen size and crisp display. Not bad for an almost 20 year old machine!

3. As for the comment doubting whether lifting the unit "just once" by the screen could snap a hinge, or "just once" by the right front corner, could do damage, I am going to take those as back-handed compliments, meaning you are saying that no one could be that incompetent. Unfortunately you are wrong. The first time I lifted a T42 by the top part of the screen frame, the hinge snapped (I picked up a full lid assembly on Ebay for $20 and swapped it out); and I ruined 3 motherboards by grabbing the right front corner. They are now parts donors. And somewhere on this forum there was a comment from an ex-IBM tech who said the biggest issue IBM had with the T42s was cracked MBs for that precise reason. Seriously, there is a reason they went to an exo-skelton design over the MB afterwards.

4. Thanks for the tip on Slimjet. I am totally addicted to Firefox addons (pre-Quantum, where they lost, what, a zillion loyal users?) but will give it a shot. :D

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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#24 Post by popsmoke » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:26 pm

On the T42 with the 7500 RADEON, the "modded" driver for Win 7 shows up in Device Manager as

ATI TECHNOLOGIES
2/10/2010
8.593.100.0
Not Signed


As for "keeping either XP or WIN7", all my machines are dual booters and the bios is very happy with the setup, never a hiccough.

You can start with XP, and do "variant" install of Win 7 into a free partition. The WIN7 installer does all the heavy lifting for you.

The only issue is that the startup choose-me screen is sloppy in that MSFT deliberately calls the XP partition something like "old version of Windows" (or an equally insulting phrase) to shame you for keeping an old OS and interfering with their profit stream. You can fix this easily with a download of EasyBCD which is one of the best free programs out there. :D

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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#25 Post by dr_st » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:53 pm

popsmoke wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:24 pm
3. As for the comment doubting whether lifting the unit "just once" by the screen could snap a hinge, or "just once" by the right front corner, could do damage, I am going to take those as back-handed compliments, meaning you are saying that no one could be that incompetent. Unfortunately you are wrong. The first time I lifted a T42 by the top part of the screen frame, the hinge snapped (I picked up a full lid assembly on Ebay for $20 and swapped it out); and I ruined 3 motherboards by grabbing the right front corner.
Nothing to do with incompetence, but with chances. I've certainly lifted the T42 many times by the frame and no hinges snapped, and I bet I probably picked it up once or twice by the corner, and the original motherboard still works. I do tend to avoid the latter, as the motherboard damage due to flexing is well-documented, but if every T42 would snap a hinge because someone picked it up once by the LCD, we would hear more about this problem, and IBM would have had to recall and replace every single unit.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#26 Post by Callahan » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:09 am

Thanks for the link to the Russian site with the different Radeon 7500 drivers. I am not sure which one will actually work ... there seem to be 'many' to download and try. I have no idea what is meant with the words 'Catalyst 12.4' ... that will be a project to download every possible driver and store them in a folder for future testing ... and I still may not have the correct one.

For instance:
Catalyst 12.4 Mobility для Windows 7/Vista x86
официальная версия драйвера для дискретных карт Mobility Radeon серий HD 2000, HD 3000, HD 4000, HD 5000, HD 6000M, HD 7000M (HD 7500/7600); интегрированных Mobility Radeon 3100, HD 3200, 4100, HD 4200 Series; APU Llano Radeon HD 6000G, HD 7000 (HD 7310, HD 7340);
размер 109.69 MB

I guess the HD 7000M (HD 7500/7600) is one to download and hope it might be the correct driver ... but the are four different X86 drivers and many more HD 7000 drivers that also might work in the end. I am assuming that 'HD 7500' is also the 'Mobility Radeon 7500' driver.

Thanks for the information and working link.

As for some really updated nice browsers for Windows XP ... I am using four browsers by roytam1 ... he updates them every weekend (Friday/Saturday) ... actually he updates at least eight or ten browsers browsers (32bit and 64bit) ... but the four that I currently use and test ... and I really like them in 2019 for Windows XP and so do many others. He's from Hong Kong and just showed up one day over a year ago in the Windows XP forum (also Windows 2000 sometimes) ... has been there ever since. He also showed up at the K-Meleon forum a short time later and started helping with updates there. I don't know how many total browsers he actually updates. He keeps adding a few every so often ... he has a day job as he mentions but still has time for all the updates.

I use New Moon 27, New Moon 28, Basilisk52 (New build of Serpent/UXP for XP!) and K-Meleon (KM-Goanna) ... they all work very well for me and as I mentioned earlier ... updated every week. The downloads from yesterday are on Page 121 of the MSFN forum. He also has browsers for some older machines that are also updated every week or monthly. I will put the link for Page 121: That thread has grown to 121 pages since he started posting less than 1 1/2 years ago.

My build of New Moon (temp. name) a.k.a. Pale Moon for XP

https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my- ... /?page=121

As I mentioned ... these browsers are for 32bit and 64bit ... there are a lot of current weekly updated browsers for Windows XP at that thread.

popsmoke ... I've mentioned this before, I have three ThinkPads - T41 14in / T42 14 in / T42 15 in ... I can take the T42 14in to just experiment with Windows 7. If it works fairly good, I may leave it on that one laptop but I still enjoy Windows XP. I didn't start working with Windows XP till May 2012. I'm always a few years (or more) behind everyone else.

Also, you said this in Post 20 ... 2. Hinges are fake metal. Lift a T42 by the screen and the left hinge will snap. Guaranteed. Done this too.

I would never lift my computers holding the screen but the hinges to me look like 'stainless steel' and not fake metal. I thought I read that the hinges were supposed to be 'stainless steel' ... maybe they were changed later but the hinges on my three ThinkPads sure look 'stainless' to me.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#27 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:46 am

Another group of graphics drivers that most people seem to have forgotten: Omega.
Look for the specific ATI/nVidia GPU model Omega driver on Google, there are too many links to give here.
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Re: IBM's ThinkPad T42 LCD - A Blast from the Past

#28 Post by Callahan » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:08 am

I will do that ... search Omega. I know very little to nothing of the Omega drivers. Have only heard or saw the name mentioned here and there through the years.

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