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Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#1 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:21 pm

Hello,

I'm looking for the 2nd HDD trays for the T40 series. I'm looking for both the one that takes IDE / PATA drives, which I believe were originally made by IBM (FRU 62P4533) and for the "aftermarket" ones that take SATA drives. I don't see any original IBM/ Lenovo made ones (FRU 26R9246 for T60 series) available and those have the tab on the end that one must cut off to use in a T40 series, which I'd be willing to do, but I can't find any.

I have a couple of each, but need 2 or 3 more of both types for these newly acquired T 40 series. Any recommendations, please feel free and if I should post this in WTB I'll do that.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#2 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:12 pm

I was never able to find one on eBay. I saw some on Taobao though and perhaps even 51nb has it as well.
What I did was I used Ultrabay 2000 IDE caddies and put them in the Dock II and use it with T4x that way.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#3 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:45 pm

I might have to bring one of the Dock IIs down from the attic!
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#4 Post by cadillacmike68 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:33 pm

I finally did find some. It took a couple dozen ebay searches, but I found ones that take PATA/IDE and ones that take SATA drives. The "aftermarket" ones that take SATA do not have the tab the "real" ones have, so they can be used in T40 series. And now I don't have to cut the tab of my originals that I bought from Lenovo way back.

I even found (a long time ago) Ultrabay 2000 trays with a little bridge circuit in them to take SATA drives in T20 and T30 series (as well as the Dock and Dock II) I bought some of those a while ago and haven seen them since, but I haven't specifically looked for them either.

So now I'm tray'd out.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#5 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:40 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:33 pm
I finally did find some. It took a couple dozen ebay searches, but I found ones that take PATA/IDE and ones that take SATA drives. The "aftermarket" ones that take SATA do not have the tab the "real" ones have, so they can be used in T40 series. And now I don't have to cut the tab of my originals that I bought from Lenovo way back.

I even found (a long time ago) Ultrabay 2000 trays with a little bridge circuit in them to take SATA drives in T20 and T30 series (as well as the Dock and Dock II) I bought some of those a while ago and haven seen them since, but I haven't specifically looked for them either.

So now I'm tray'd out.
Well I guess I am having a very different experience as you did because just today I picked up a listing on facebook marketplace that says HDD caddy but it turned out to be a T4x one!
It's the ultrabay slim one with a curved T4x style faceplate and it's still new in box!
Well it's the kind of thing that it pops up when you don't look for it and it's all gone when you try to look for it.
I don't have a use for it yet. But is anyone desparately needing one?
It's FRU 41N5661 btw
Also taking dead ultrabay 2000 drives and then fitting them with SATA converters is surprisingly easy. Unlike the Ultrabay slim, the Ultrabay 2000 drives use the standard slimline IDE connector and you can just fit a slimline IDE to SATA caddy within the housing. But the face plate may or may not fit though.
That said though I really don't have much luck with using drives over 120GB for anything before the Pentium M laptops like the A30p and T23 that I have. It works rather sketchy.
This is the one that I bought: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pata-IDE-to-SAT ... 2749.l2649
This stuff is surprisingly high quality by these knockoff HDD caddy standards. It's no match from the IBM original HDD caddies of course but it holds up on its own.
I've been using this one in a D-bay caddy for the Core 2 Dells to have extra HDD storage should I need them. It seems like the face plate mounts have been standardised around like 2005 or something because the later 2005-2007 made D-bay optical drives' face plates fit perfectly on this generic thing while the 2003 made one that I have does not.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#6 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:00 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:40 pm
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:33 pm
I finally did find some. It took a couple dozen ebay searches, but I found ones that take PATA/IDE and ones that take SATA drives. The "aftermarket" ones that take SATA do not have the tab the "real" ones have, so they can be used in T40 series. And now I don't have to cut the tab of my originals that I bought from Lenovo way back.

I even found (a long time ago) Ultrabay 2000 trays with a little bridge circuit in them to take SATA drives in T20 and T30 series (as well as the Dock and Dock II) I bought some of those a while ago and haven seen them since, but I haven't specifically looked for them either.

So now I'm tray'd out.


Well I guess I am having a very different experience as you did because just today I picked up a listing on facebook marketplace that says HDD caddy but it turned out to be a T4x one!
It's the ultrabay slim one with a curved T4x style faceplate and it's still new in box!
Well it's the kind of thing that it pops up when you don't look for it and it's all gone when you try to look for it.
I don't have a use for it yet. But is anyone desparately needing one?
It's FRU 41N5661 btw
Also taking dead ultrabay 2000 drives and then fitting them with SATA converters is surprisingly easy. Unlike the Ultrabay slim, the Ultrabay 2000 drives use the standard slimline IDE connector and you can just fit a slimline IDE to SATA caddy within the housing. But the face plate may or may not fit though.
That said though I really don't have much luck with using drives over 120GB for anything before the Pentium M laptops like the A30p and T23 that I have. It works rather sketchy.
This is the one that I bought: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pata-IDE-to-SAT ... 2749.l2649
This stuff is surprisingly high quality by these knockoff HDD caddy standards. It's no match from the IBM original HDD caddies of course but it holds up on its own.
I've been using this one in a D-bay caddy for the Core 2 Dells to have extra HDD storage should I need them. It seems like the face plate mounts have been standardised around like 2005 or something because the later 2005-2007 made D-bay optical drives' face plates fit perfectly on this generic thing while the 2003 made one that I have does not.


120BG limit.

The actual limit is 128GB, and it's BIOS related. It affects T30 and earlier systems. The machine will boot but as soon as any data or NTFS info strays past the 128GB portion of the drive, you'll get a blinking cursor top left of the screen the next time you start it. I had to do something to correct it (boot with a floppyy, can't remember) and it would work for a few days and then bingo, another top left cursor. I was close to having 128GB on the drive so this got very annoying very fast. I found out about it on an old Acronis forum and I re-partitioned the drive (using Disk Director 9 or something) to shrink the primary partition to 127GB and made the remainder of the 320GB an extended partition / logical drive. That worked fine until I retired the system from daily use. When I re-do my T30 images, I'll put them on 100GB or 120GB drives and will use the 160GB, 250GB and 320GB drives in T40 series or as secondary ultrabay drives.

On the trays. The FRU 41N5661is supposed to have a flat bezel. The curved bezel ones are FRU 62P4553 / 2 / 4. If you do have an IBM / Lenovo flat bezel FRU 41N5661 tray, I'd be interested. All my trays are curved Bezel FRU 62P4553 style. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ultrabay has details.

How do you resurrect a "dead" UltraBay 2000 drive? Are you talking about fitting an interface converter on the end of the drive or replacing the internals on the HDD tray?

I have two trays that I bought back about 9 years ago that take a SATA drive (like a Hitachi TravelStar 500GB) and have the ultrabay 2000 connector at the back. These worked great on my T30s before I changed over to T61s. But I cannot find them any longer. I'm glad i bought two, because It gives a T20 / T30 series access to storage of up to 2TB via the Ultabay (and the bay on the Dock II).
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#7 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:49 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:00 pm
The actual limit is 128GB, and it's BIOS related. It affects T30 and earlier systems. The machine will boot but as soon as any data or NTFS info strays past the 128GB portion of the drive, you'll get a blinking cursor top left of the screen the next time you start it. I had to do something to correct it (boot with a floppyy, can't remember) and it would work for a few days and then bingo, another top left cursor. I was close to having 128GB on the drive so this got very annoying very fast. I found out about it on an old Acronis forum and I re-partitioned the drive (using Disk Director 9 or something) to shrink the primary partition to 127GB and made the remainder of the 320GB an extended partition / logical drive. That worked fine until I retired the system from daily use. When I re-do my T30 images, I'll put them on 100GB or 120GB drives and will use the 160GB, 250GB and 320GB drives in T40 series or as secondary ultrabay drives.
Yeah that's what I am talking about and well I think this stuff is just sketchy. My boot drive right now on my laptop is still like 160GB and I don't need any other storage space often enough to bring a secondary drive with me.
That's how I get around with 40GB drives on Pentium MMX and PII era machines like my ThinkPad 600 and Latitude CP M233ST. Though for some reason the blinking cursor is back on the 600 and when that happens it also corrupts the master file table so the partitions are pretty much useless.
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:00 pm
On the trays. The FRU 41N5661is supposed to have a flat bezel. The curved bezel ones are FRU 62P4553 / 2 / 4. If you do have an IBM / Lenovo flat bezel FRU 41N5661 tray, I'd be interested. All my trays are curved Bezel FRU 62P4553 style. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ultrabay has details.
I have the curved bezel but it's a very late one. While the box itself has most printings rubbed off by some tape applied and removed, the Lenovo style anti-tamper red seal is still there so I am pretty sure this stuff is manufactured well after the acquisition of ThinkPad by Lenovo.
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:00 pm
How do you resurrect a "dead" UltraBay 2000 drive? Are you talking about fitting an interface converter on the end of the drive or replacing the internals on the HDD tray?
What I meant is taking dead Ultrabay 2000 optical drives, strip them out of the plastic cage and the connector imposer board as well as the face plate, and then put one of those generic slimline IDE to SATA converters that I've talked about. Again the optical drives used in a Ultrabay 2000 enclosure themselves are standard slimline IDE drives but perhaps with different face plate mounts, so you can fit any generic drive inside (either those HDD enclosures or another slimline IDE optical drive) and just hot glue the face plate back on if the clips don't fit.
Again, I've been doing this to Dell D-bay drives and they work perfectly. I have one with those generic HDD enclosure with a 120GB SATA drive inside for fast file transfer and it does job quite well. Besides, it looks like a glorified microSD card anyway doesn't it? :lol:
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#8 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:12 pm

Oh, OK, you left out "Optical" in your initial post.

I'll bet that is how someone made the Ultrabay 2000 connector trays that take SATA HDDs that I bought way back, because they do have a DVD bezel complete with the inoperative eject button.

I should not have tossed those bad optical drives earlier this year. I won't any longer.

What do you use as an interposed SATA to IDE connector? Any part # or item that one can buy? I have a few old DVD only opticals that I could convert.

If I could find my old posts or links I could tell you what I did when I encountered the top left blink. It might have been as simple as boot XP (or W98) via a floppy and use FDISK /MBR to re-write the partition table, or it could have been as drastic as restoring a saved backup image to the drive. Or anything in between. That was 9 years ago. I might have some posts on this forum about it in the T30 section. It always worked - until the NTFS system drifter over the 128GB area on the HDD and I had to do it over.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#9 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:01 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:12 pm
I should not have tossed those bad optical drives earlier this year. I won't any longer.

What do you use as an interposed SATA to IDE connector? Any part # or item that one can buy? I have a few old DVD only opticals that I could convert.
Yeah you should start collecting some junk Ultrabay 2000 drives too. I had to open up two perfectly working DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo D-bay drives to make two of these D-bay to SATA caddies.
But fortunately they didn't die in vain at all because one drive went to a C-bay optical drive whose drive itself is totally dead, and the other went to a Toshiba Satellite A200 also with a totally dead optical drive :D
I have told you already the interposed SATA to IDE converter is this thing here: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pata-IDE-to-SAT ... 2749.l2649
This looks like a standard caddy you find everywhere else but notice that the inside end is SATA but the outside connector is slimline IDE! This has an active signal converter built in thus this higher price tag!
Now do you understand where I am going with this caddy thing?
And yes it seems like there are also plenitude of ppl doing the same thing with D-bay drives on ebay (pardon the pun) and then sell them for crazy amounts of money (like 50-60 bucks!)
At that point it's cheaper for you to buy the IDE version of the D-bay caddy (which sells for $10) and get a high capacity IDE drive!
Just to clarify, the C-bay (1997-2002) is a much older standard than the D-bay (2003-2007) and the connector is entirely different. The C-bay is like the size slightly smaller than an Ultrabay II (ThinkPad 770 series) and the D-bay is the size of a Ultrabay 2000 or Ultraslimbay device!
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#10 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:29 am

Yes, I saw that. That's basically the IBM T40 series tray. The connection to the computer in that ebay listing is for T40 / T60 series. I have plenty of those trays (about 8). What I'd like to find or make is one that takes a SATA HDD in the tray but connects to the Ultrabay 2000 connector for T20 / T30 series on the outside end.

Is that what you are calling a C connector? IBM never called it that. What is the IBM / Lenovo equivalent of what you are calling C and D connector?

I have about 20 - 30 old Ultrabay 2000 optical drives. Everything from basic CD to DVD Multi.
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#11 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:18 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:29 am
Yes, I saw that. That's basically the IBM T40 series tray. The connection to the computer in that ebay listing is for T40 / T60 series. I have plenty of those trays (about 8). What I'd like to find or make is one that takes a SATA HDD in the tray but connects to the Ultrabay 2000 connector for T20 / T30 series on the outside end.
No it is NOT! The T4x/R5x/T/R6x series along with some Macbooks used a propietrary connector that looks like this but is totally different! You see how the T6x ultrabay connector has a piece of plastic in the middle of the connector and pins are on that thing? This thing has none of that and the pins are on the inner edges of the connector.
If you disassemble an Ultrabay 2000 drive, you will find an imposer board that converts this connector shown in that eBay listing into the Ultrabay 2000 connector. The same is true for Ultraslimbay. This is also how I was able to take dead Ultraslimbay CD-ROM drives and then fit Ultrabay 2000 DVD-ROM drives (which are plenty) and make a working Ultraslimbay DVD-ROM drive.
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:29 am
Is that what you are calling a C connector? IBM never called it that. What is the IBM / Lenovo equivalent of what you are calling C and D connector?
I don't want this to be a Dell Latitude lesson, but the C series connector is used on all the Latitude C series notebooks (CP, CPi, CPx, CPt, C5xx, C6xx, C8xx, not on subnotebooks obviously) as well as a few Inspirons. The oldest model, the CP, is from late 1997 (it's a laptop with a price tag sandwiched inbetween a 38x series and a 76x series) and the newest model C840 is the direct competitor of A31. The size is inbetween the size of an Ultrabay II and Ultraslimbay. The reason why is it is the exact same size as the primary 8-cell battery, so all Latitude C series can take dual main batteries exactly like the ThinkPad 390 series.
The D series connector is used on all Latitude D series laptops (All of Dxxx except D4xx, which is a subnotebook) as well as a few Inspirons. This thing is equivalent of an Ultrabay enhanced but has USB signalling built into the connector, enabling Sony made D-bay USB 1.44MB floppy drives to be used. The oldest models using this are the D600, which is a 14.1" T40/T41/T42, and D800, which is an widescreen version of an R50/R51, and the newest are the D630 (14.1" T61) and D830 (15.4" T61).
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#12 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:29 pm

O(K, I took a closer look and yes the connector is not the same as on any ThinkPad T40 / T60 series (or the other series). That adapter tray as is will not fit in any ThinkPad - correct? But that's not what you got it for, if I understand correctly.

My objective is to have or make some sort of HDD tray that will take a SATA drive but have a ThinkPad Ultrabay 2000 IDE connector on the outside to work in T20 / 30 series systems. I have two from 9 years ago, but cannot find any nowadays.

If I understand correctly, you can take the SATA to IDE connector from one of those ebay listed adapters and connect it to the interposer in an Ultabay 2000 optical drive and you could then either put a DVD drive in an Ultraslimbay (ThinkPad 600 series) or, tell me if i am wrong, make a tray that takes a SATA HDD that fits in an Ultrabay 2000 (or Ultraslimbay) bay?? Do I have that correct?

All I need to know about the dell tray connectors is that they either will fit in and work in ThinkPads or not, and from what you wrote, the C connector will not fir or work, but the D connector will,or do I have that wrong as well?
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#13 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:55 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:29 pm
O(K, I took a closer look and yes the connector is not the same as on any ThinkPad T40 / T60 series (or the other series). That adapter tray as is will not fit in any ThinkPad - correct? But that's not what you got it for, if I understand correctly.
Yes it will fit in ThinkPads with IDE optical drives as fixed drives if unmodified - like the A2x fixed optical bay and the G4x series.
And no it is not what I got this for.
I have taken some images of fitting the caddy on a Ultrabay 2000 DVD drive to give you an idea as well as what you should do.
Disassembly:
1. remove the screws (4 on the sides, 2 by the far ends of the connector. Do NOT remove the big head screws right beside the connector!) circled on 100_5140_new.jpg
2. Slide off the top connector portion. You will end up with something like 100_5142.JPG
3. Take the rest of the plastic rails off.
Assemble it on the SATA HDD enclosure: reverse the steps. You will end up with something like 100_5143.JPG (I did not assemble the side rails because I won't be using it like this, you need those rails so the latch can lock the drive in place)
I have tested the enclosure with three HDDs: 100GB, 320GB and 500GB.
On my A30p, on the Ultrabay 2000 bay (left), none of these drive works no matter what I do to the partitions. It will conflict and I can no longer see the primary hard drive in the BIOS. If I plug it in while the computer is at sleep (On A3x the bays are NOT hot swappable!), it wakes up and shortly after gives you a bluescreen.
On the Ultrabay plus bay (right) however it works just fine.
It works on the T23 as well.
The speed is rather slow though. 20MB/s is just not doing justice to the theoretical speeds of the drives.
One last thing: I highly recommend you doing this only on low end drives like the CD-ROM or DVD-ROM only drives, or broken drives. The DVD/CD-RW combo drives deserve to be left alone and perhaps even sold on this forum for ppl who wants one in their A3x collection for example.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!At7-rt1KJ7WviPt-MlM ... Q?e=PBcAwG
cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:29 pm
All I need to know about the dell tray connectors is that they either will fit in and work in ThinkPads or not, and from what you wrote, the C connector will not fir or work, but the D connector will,or do I have that wrong as well?
None of these modules as is will fit any thinkpads. they too just like the Ultrabay 2000 and Ultraslimbay modules have plastic rail and propietrary connectors on top of the drives themselves. Disassembling them will give you the bare drive and that is interchangable provided the face plate can be swapped. The screw holes for the plastic rails are all the same so that's not a problem.
Here's C-bay and D-bay optical drives disassembled just for you to see it's all the same drive on the inside:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!At7-rt1KJ7WviPwBG-6 ... A?e=uqnTKN
This is true only for the optical drives and the non-USB based floppy drives. The standard optical drive connector on a laptop is that same connector that I've shown you on that ebay listing. The standard floppy drive connector on a laptop is a ZIF connector like what you see on the keyboards of a ThinkPad X1 carbon for example.
The reasons why you have these manufacturer propietrary connectors on top of those standard connectors are:
1. provide you the flexibility to use a variety of different drives in the same module bay.
2. As-is, those standard connectors do NOT support hot swappability! Extra circuitry is required to achieve that.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#14 Post by cadillacmike68 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:12 pm

OK, that was informative.

A series - I never had any, but the left side bay appears to be quite temperamental. T series was always my top choice.
Only 20MB / Sec?? Yow. Is a regular IDE drive (supposedly ATA-100) in a regular Ultrabay 2000 caddy any faster or is it at the same speeds? I'm not expecting SATA II or III, the old ThinkPads cannot support that, but they should at least work at the IDE ATA-100 speed.

I promise not to open up any working CDRW/DVD or DVD Multi drives to do this. I have lots of old DVD only Ultrabay 2000 drives sitting in a box to be used for experiments.

Now the only thing would be to find that caddy / tray that you linked from a source that ships to the US. That seller does not ship to the US.
600, 600X
760LD FUBARd
T21 2647 T22 2647 1@ 1GHz SXGA+ 4 more; T23 2647 1@ 1.2GHz SXGA+ 3 more
T30 2366-88U 2GHz; 2366-83U 1.8G; 5@ 2366-LU0/66U; 2367-KU6 FUBARd
T41 T42 T43
T61 8897 2.4GHz SXGA+; 8898 2.4Ghz; 6463 2@ WSXGA+; 7658 2.5GHz; T61p; 6 more T61s
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#15 Post by kfzhu1229 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:27 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:12 pm
Now the only thing would be to find that caddy / tray that you linked from a source that ships to the US. That seller does not ship to the US.
Well there are plenty of sellers for this stuff (though most from China so it's gonna take quite a while to deliver). If you don't buy from the one that I've bought then obviously I can't comment on the build quality anymore. This is from ebay.com:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-5mm-PATA-IDE ... Sw65FXrZh8
I thought these from ebay.com would be much cheaper for cheaper postages but apparently I am wrong.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#16 Post by cadillacmike68 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:19 pm

^^
Well, $11 and .99 shipping is not so bad. Ship time looks to be rather long. The idea is get one with the open, standard IDE connection so the UB 2000 connector can connect to it.
600, 600X
760LD FUBARd
T21 2647 T22 2647 1@ 1GHz SXGA+ 4 more; T23 2647 1@ 1.2GHz SXGA+ 3 more
T30 2366-88U 2GHz; 2366-83U 1.8G; 5@ 2366-LU0/66U; 2367-KU6 FUBARd
T41 T42 T43
T61 8897 2.4GHz SXGA+; 8898 2.4Ghz; 6463 2@ WSXGA+; 7658 2.5GHz; T61p; 6 more T61s
T500 2
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Re: Source for 2nd HDD tray for T40 series

#17 Post by kfzhu1229 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:27 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:19 pm
^^
Well, $11 and .99 shipping is not so bad. Ship time looks to be rather long. The idea is get one with the open, standard IDE connection so the UB 2000 connector can connect to it.
Yup that's precisely the point. Alternatively this will also work with Ultraslimbay provided that your HDD isn't too large in capacity. Again this will also work out of the box with A2x fixed optical drive bay and G4x's fixed optical drive bay.
One perk you have with the Ultraslimbay and Ultrabay 2000 is that there is no plastics on top of the drive unlike the Dell ones that I am dealing with, so this means you can secure all the screws and still have it open. If I do that with the D-bay, I have basically just made myself a 500GB optical bay sized Dell propietrary SDCard. :lol: That's not what I want because relying on this removable SATA drive for high speed data transfer is actually quite important. (USB2 speeds on a USB1 based machine and USB3 speeds on a USB2 based machine)
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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