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T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#1 Post by jeodavid » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:05 pm

Hi everyone,

I just got a msata to pata adapter for my t43 1873.
I had upgrade the bios from http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_w ... hard_disks with the bios : $0199000_SLIC2.1_M09_no_1802_no_2010.ROM

And now don't shows any disk erro anymore.

When I install the msata adpter w/ the msata the t43 detect the ssd on boot menu and the windows 7 detect too but when I'm almost done with installation of w7 the erro "windows could not update registry data in the installation" show up and the installation won't finish.

Do you guys have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

My adapter it's a JMicron JM20330
And my msata it's TCSunBow 60GB SSD M-SATA3.

I know it's not a really got ssd but I just wanted to try.

Thanks you guys in advance.

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#2 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 am

Long read here about SSD in T43: viewtopic.php?t=112081&start=90
Search on that page for JMICRON.

I'd say your cheap Chinese knockoffs are causing your problem.

A good alternative would be the 160GB Samsung HM160HC HDD.
Even at 5400rpm it surpasses almost any 7200rpm HDD and it's also very quiet (AND cheap).
IMHO best HDD worldwide for an (un-SATA-modded) T43.
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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#3 Post by jeodavid » Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:30 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:23 am
Long read here about SSD in T43: viewtopic.php?t=112081&start=90
Search on that page for JMICRON.

I'd say your cheap Chinese knockoffs are causing your problem.

A good alternative would be the 160GB Samsung HM160HC HDD.
Even at 5400rpm it surpasses almost any 7200rpm HDD and it's also very quiet (AND cheap).
IMHO best HDD worldwide for an (un-SATA-modded) T43.
Thanks for the help I really appreciate.

I read most of the topic and some small stuff I not even know what that means ahah but it's ok we all here for fun...


Just a question, since I can't have a Microsoft OS can I put a Linux OS working with my setup?

Which Linux is the most stable for my T43? I always can go back to my 40gb Hitachi 5400rpm..

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#4 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:10 pm

jeodavid wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:30 pm
Just a question, since I can't have a Microsoft OS can I put a Linux OS working with my setup?

Which Linux is the most stable for my T43? I always can go back to my 40gb Hitachi 5400rpm..
I believe it's just your SSD being low quality. Even getting a used msata SSD name branded on local Kijiji is a far more viable option.
And well if you want faster/bigger native IDE drives, I do happen to have a 100GB 7200RPM IDE drive and a 160GB (128GB usable due to IBM firmware to avoid error 2010) 5400RPM IDE drive, both Hitachi travelstar. And I am located in Toronto.
As for what Windows OS works on a T43 Intel GMA version, any Windows NT based OS from 4.0 Sp6a all the way to Windows 7 would work fine. Windows 8 to 10 version 1709 will also work but no display drivers available as the GMA does not support DX9 by hardware.
The other option is you can always mount a regular 2.5" SATA drive on a Ultrabay slim to SATA adapter and put the 40GB IDE drive as a secondary drive.
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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#5 Post by jeodavid » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:57 pm

1st good news.
I managed to make it work the xubuntu-18.04.5 with my msata(piece of crap) and the adpter.
I had to forcepae command to make it work but at the end the OS was installed with success!
But kinda slow on light browsing for my taste, not sure it's the ssd or the laptop itself that cause the slow-motion browsing.
I reboot a few times and was ok and fast.
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:10 pm
I believe it's just your SSD being low quality. Even getting a used msata SSD name branded on local Kijiji is a far more viable option.
I'm thinking of giving up the idea of use a ssd on this T43.
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:10 pm
And well if you want faster/bigger native IDE drives, I do happen to have a 100GB 7200RPM IDE drive and a 160GB (128GB usable due to IBM firmware to avoid error 2010) 5400RPM IDE drive, both Hitachi travelstar. And I am located in Toronto.
I may look in the future for a ide hdd for my other t42p. But 1st I need to make it usable. He needs 2 keys on the keyboard.
That lives me to a new question.
Can I steal keys from a keyboard for a t42 15" and put just the keys on a 14"?
I know it's a weird question but it's a guy selling for cheap a keyboard on kijiji for t42 but it's a 15" and I know u can't use them on the 14".
Anyone knows if it's ok to do JUST THE KEYS swap?
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:10 pm
As for what Windows OS works on a T43 Intel GMA version, any Windows NT based OS from 4.0 Sp6a all the way to Windows 7 would work fine. Windows 8 to 10 version 1709 will also work but no display drivers available as the GMA does not support DX9 by hardware.
The other option is you can always mount a regular 2.5" SATA drive on a Ultrabay slim to SATA adapter and put the 40GB IDE drive as a secondary drive.
I'm interested to try the W10 on the t43, it's any link or topic that I can have more info about or even to download? It's probably necessary do some stuff before or after the installation.

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#6 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:37 am

jeodavid wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:57 pm
I'm thinking of giving up the idea of use a ssd on this T43.
Well in my experience you should. The computer is enough of a bottleneck that a fast 7200rpm drive would perform just about the same. Doesn't help that the built in SATA to IDE conversion within the motherboard creates compatibility problems if you use a conversion on top of that.
jeodavid wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:57 pm
I may look in the future for a ide hdd for my other t42p. But 1st I need to make it usable. He needs 2 keys on the keyboard.
That lives me to a new question.
Can I steal keys from a keyboard for a t42 15" and put just the keys on a 14"?
I know it's a weird question but it's a guy selling for cheap a keyboard on kijiji for t42 but it's a 15" and I know u can't use them on the 14".
Anyone knows if it's ok to do JUST THE KEYS swap?
The keys swap perfectly fine between all T4x and R5x whether it is 14.1" or 15" ONLY if you have the same key switch on your versions of the keyboard.
If you have missing keycaps, can you send a photo (attach as a link) of the key switch so we know what it is? Also what keys do you need? I might have some spares.
jeodavid wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:57 pm
I'm interested to try the W10 on the t43, it's any link or topic that I can have more info about or even to download? It's probably necessary do some stuff before or after the installation.
Windows 10 on your T43 will work but it is NOT usable! Your T43 has the Intel GMA integrated graphics and that has no compatible drivers for Windows 10! You need a T43 with ATi Radeon X300 or FireGL V3200 to have full functionality! I have such a 14.1" machine as spare too and has Windows 10 already installed, just it's not in the best shape. I don't need that anymore as it has since been replaced with a Latitude D610 that I got for free
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
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T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#7 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:40 am

As long as both keyboards are from the same manufacturer (NMB, Alps or Chicony) you can swap keys between 14.1 and 15 inch KBs.
The HMM will tell you which KB was made by whom.
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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#8 Post by jeodavid » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:15 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:37 am
Well in my experience you should. The computer is enough of a bottleneck that a fast 7200rpm drive would perform just about the same. Doesn't help that the built in SATA to IDE conversion within the motherboard creates compatibility problems if you use a conversion on top of that.
Yah, I got the stuff from Amazon so I'll probably just return this crap...
Just to make sure, the same problem gonna happen if I put this set on the T42p right?

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:37 am
The keys swap perfectly fine between all T4x and R5x whether it is 14.1" or 15" ONLY if you have the same key switch on your versions of the keyboard.
If you have missing keycaps, can you send a photo (attach as a link) of the key switch so we know what it is? Also what keys do you need? I might have some spares.
So I took at look on the back of my missing keys keyboard and I need the T and C. All the rest I think it's in working condition.
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kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:37 am
Windows 10 on your T43 will work but it is NOT usable! Your T43 has the Intel GMA integrated graphics and that has no compatible drivers for Windows 10! You need a T43 with ATi Radeon X300 or FireGL V3200 to have full functionality! I have such a 14.1" machine as spare too and has Windows 10 already installed, just it's not in the best shape. I don't need that anymore as it has since been replaced with a Latitude D610 that I got for free
Ok that's a good help. Very good to know...
So I probably can make this T42p work with w10 cause it have a ATi Radeon.

Thanks for all the help guys...
Good to know still cool people in this world that care about this old but beautiful laptops.

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#9 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:23 pm

jeodavid wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:15 pm
Ok that's a good help. Very good to know...
So I probably can make this T42p work with w10 cause it have a ATi Radeon.
Unfortunately no. A T42p will NOT START Windows 10 unless you go all the way out and stuff a Pentium M 7x0 CPU from T43 AND have a modded BIOS.
The reason why is the difference between Pentium M 7x5 and the Sonoma 533Mhz Pentium M 7x0 used is that the latter supports all the instruction sets such as PAE and NX that's required to run Windows 8 and above, while the T42 does NOT.
But what the T42p will do better at is that it will run Windows 7 with Windows Aero support, whereas a T43 with the integrated graphics do not have such capability. The T42p also supports DVI via the docking solutions, whereas the T43 you have do not.
Fortunately though, you have the NMB version of the keyboard, and I do happen to have a NMB keyboard also from 14.1" that's already missing lots of keys and have lots of broken switches that I can get you the specific keys that you need! I have the T and C keys, they have some wear but they will surely work.
Also, putting that adapter on T42p MIGHT work slightly better because T43 has a SATA to IDE converter circuit for its primary HDD slot whereas on the T42p it's native IDE.
That said don't expect anything more than 1-2 years of lifespan with such a cheap SSD that you might as well return it.
One of the kijiji sellers that I buy routinely is called bestbear sales, maybe see if they have a used name branded one that's gonna work far more reliably.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#10 Post by jeodavid » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:56 pm

So my CPU's are a Pentium® M Processor 755 and a Pentium® M Processor 740.

Right now I have the 755 on the T43.
I didn't know that either.
So my goal it's have the T42p with a Windows OS. If possible 10 or 8 in the worst case just 7.
In the T43 just a Linux OS for backup laptop and fun stuff.

What you think it's the best CPU for wich on?

That's OK for me 1 or 2 years on the T42p is good enough but I'll try 1st to make sure it's workable if not I'm going send that back cause I don't have any use for a msata..

I know bestbear really well I bought parts from them more than 3 times. They are like 30min from my place.
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:23 pm
Fortunately though, you have the NMB version of the keyboard, and I do happen to have a NMB keyboard also from 14.1" that's already missing lots of keys and have lots of broken switches that I can get you the specific keys that you need! I have the T and C keys, they have some wear but they will surely work.
I'll pm you soon to know when you available to do the keys deal.

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#11 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:45 pm

jeodavid wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:56 pm
So my CPU's are a Pentium® M Processor 755 and a Pentium® M Processor 740.

Right now I have the 755 on the T43.
I didn't know that either.
So my goal it's have the T42p with a Windows OS. If possible 10 or 8 in the worst case just 7.
So a Pentium M 755 on the T43 will also stop the T43 from even starting Windows 8 and above. I think the 755 should go to the T42 and the T43 have more CPU's like the 760 and 770 that will offer similar or faster experience at potentially cheaper prices.
You should use Windows 7 on T42p in this case. Windows 8 and above will not work whatsoever.
You can dm me about the keycaps but please make sure those keys still work if you push on the membrane before you fit them with proper rubber domes, keycaps and switches.
I am glad if that parts keyboard can help one more person.
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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Re: T43 problem with a msata to pata upgrade on windows 7

#12 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:47 pm

CPU Overview:

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Banias (standard-voltage, 130 nm)	For T40/T41/T42/R50/R51	
Model Number 	sSpec Nr. 	Frequency 
Pentium M 1.3 	SL6N8 		1300 MHz 
Pentium M 1.3 	SL6N4 		1300 MHz 
Pentium M 1.4 	SL6F5 		1400 MHz 
Pentium M 1.4 	SL6F8 		1400 MHz 
Pentium M 1.5 	SL6F6 		1500 MHz 
Pentium M 1.5 	SL6F9 		1500 MHz 
Pentium M 1.6 	SL6F7 		1600 MHz 
Pentium M 1.6 	SL6FA 		1600 MHz 
Pentium M 1.7 	SL6N9 		1700 MHz 
Pentium M 1.7 	SL6N5 		1700 MHz 
		
Dothan (standard-voltage, 90 nm)	For T40/T41/T42/R50/R51		
Model Number 	sSpec Nr. 	Frequency 
Pentium M 710 	SL7V5 (B1) 	1400 MHz 
Pentium M 715 	SL7GL (B1) 	1500 MHz 
Pentium M 725 	SL7EG (B1) 	1600 MHz 
Pentium M 735 	SL7EP (B1) 	1700 MHz 
Pentium M 745 	SL7EN (B1)	1800 MHz 
Pentium M 755 	SL7EM (B1) 	2000 MHz 
Pentium M 765 	SL7V3 (B1) 	2100 MHz 
		
For T43/R52		
Model Number 	sSpec Nr. 	Frequency 
Pentium M 730 	SL86G (C0) 	1600 MHz 
Pentium M 740 	SL7SA (C0) 	1733 MHz 
Pentium M 750 	SL7S9 (C0) 	1866 MHz 
Pentium M 760 	SL7SM (C0) 	2000 MHz 
Pentium M 770 	SL7SL (C0) 	2133 MHz 
Pentium M 780 	SL7VB (C0) 	2266 MHz 
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