Convince me to get the T43...please!

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snabjab · #61 Post by **snabjab** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:04 pm

haha nope, no T43 for me. It seems like about 55% of people think the T43 is noisy, which means that people like me who are bothered by minor things like fan noise should steer clear. Longer battery life is a plus, too.

So yeah, there's probably nothing really wrong with T43s, but it sounds like the 42 better suits my needs (wishes).

ddutta · #62 Post by **ddutta** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:58 am

Dude

Do remember that folks on this forum are a little more picky. My T42 fan makes a lot of noise and blows hot air when it runs math code. But again, people say that the T42s dont make any noise. I am confused and will be till my T43 arrives.

Anyway good luck with your T42 purchase. For me, I am a llittle bored of this 42 vs 43 war. I have accepted that todays laptops will make noise and blow hot air coz I will continue to run the code that I am running!!! As long as I get good warranty service, I am happy.

If you want a quiet laptop buy a X22. I can swear I never heard my old X22 make any sound. I like it so much that I extended the warranty on it for another 2 yrs (5yrs total).ITs excellent for browsing, taking notes, emails, and office.

danny_isr · #63 Post by **danny_isr** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:50 pm

snabjab wrote:haha nope, no T43 for me. It seems like about 55% of people think the T43 is noisy, which means that people like me who are bothered by minor things like fan noise should steer clear. Longer battery life is a plus, too.

So yeah, there's probably nothing really wrong with T43s, but it sounds like the 42 better suits my needs (wishes).

hmmm i wonder where did u take the 55% number ?
if it's based on this forum , then this number is meaningless .
People that are happy with their laptop don’t bother usually to come over to forums and write about it. Only the people that are unhappy will.
so u get VERY wrong picture here.i have a t43 , the fan is on almost all the time, the fan is not laud most of the time, period.

Keep in mind that T43p gets hotter then T43 (at lease from reading about it). So comments from T43p owners on the fan are not relevant for someone that considering
A non p model.

All i can say about the T42 crowd that jump on every thread here against the T43. It's childish.

If you don't want to buy a T43 then don’t buy it. Why we need to convince you ? buy whatever you feel will make you happy.

hoya · #64 Post by **hoya** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:14 pm

if you do get the T42, I HIGHLY recommend the 2373H6U which is on sale at Lenovo's general US site. it's CTO model but it will ship within a week (at least mine did).

the best part is that it's cheaper than EPP!

snabjab · #65 Post by **snabjab** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:30 pm

Hey mate, thanks for your marginally helpful post which bordered on politeness.

My percentage was, in fact, derived from a careful scientific study of T43 owners. I called IBM and asked for their list of everyone who'd bought a T43 and proceeded to give them all a ring. Therefore I stand by the number 55%. That's somewhat misleading; the actual percentage was 54.7%, but I hope my rounding-up won't be taken as dissemblance.

Now getting to the real heart of the issue, which you acknowledged in an entirely nonsensical kind of way, is that the definition of loud is subjective and that the T43 gets hotter than the T42. Maybe I should have used "noisier" rather than "noisy"? In any case I've made my preferences clear enough so it should be obvious to you that I've decided in favor of what will probably be a quieter, cooler, longer-lasting (battery performance-wise) machine.

If you had bothered reading the entire thread you would have picked up on the fact that this thread started as a "Dell vs Thinkpad" thread and has since developed (more or less0 into a "T42 vs T42" discussion. The entire thread has been useful to me, regardless of how much of an ordeal this seems to have been for you.

So thank you for your concern. Due to the comments posted here I am fairly confident that I can now make a decision which will "make me happy." I might suggest that if you want to do something that might make you feel happy, stay away from the T43 v T42 threads, they don't seem to agree with you.

danny_isr wrote:
hmmm i wonder where did u take the 55% number ?
if it's based on this forum , then this number is meaningless .
People that are happy with their laptop don’t bother usually to come over to forums and write about it. Only the people that are unhappy will.
so u get VERY wrong picture here.i have a t43 , the fan is on almost all the time, the fan is not laud most of the time, period.

Keep in mind that T43p gets hotter then T43 (at lease from reading about it). So comments from T43p owners on the fan are not relevant for someone that considering
A non p model.

All i can say about the T42 crowd that jump on every thread here against the T43. It's childish.

If you don't want to buy a T43 then don’t buy it. Why we need to convince you ? buy whatever you feel will make you happy.

Moderator's Note: Knock it off, both of you.

dtakias · #66 Post by **dtakias** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:01 pm

i agree that some people are picking on t43 for no reason.
it is childish and at the end of the day it uses a new technology and it wont blow itself up...!!!

i own a brand new t43 2668-46g since june and i absolutely love it.
it does blow lots of hot air when full load but who cares???Makes room hotter as well. Maybe battery draws itself faster but still who cares??? 9-cell batteries are out, just get more cheap from ebay, plus theres everywhere a power source in our days. On idle i cant consider it being loud as when it works it works on the lowest setting, maybe its the *p models that use the fan on high setting all the time.

It has a dothan@1.86ghz on 533Mhz FSB, state of the art chipset with ddr2 memory controller and PCI-Express interface.On top of that Express PCMCIA cards are coming and i cant wait. Plus no dead pixels at all for my model until now.

Buy it or leave it alone...

snabjab · #67 Post by **snabjab** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:56 pm

Right so I've pretty much decided on getting a T42 from the deal they've currently got going at Thinkpad.com (so much for finally getting access to EPP...) and hopefully this is my final question:

Which wireless option should I choose? Is there a consensus? Or just another debate like T42 v T43?

darrenf · #68 Post by **darrenf** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:04 pm

Oh NOW you've opened a can of worms!

-d

The Counterpart · #69 Post by **The Counterpart** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:42 am

snabjab wrote:My percentage was, in fact, derived from a careful scientific study of T43 owners. I called IBM and asked for their list of everyone who'd bought a T43 and proceeded to give them all a ring.

If anybody actually believe that IBM will give you full access to its Customers information including private information such as phone numbers so you can give them all a ring, please let me know. I have a bridge for sale.

If anybody also believe that you have the means, the time, ect... to call all of the IBM Customers world wide, I have a lot of bridges for sale world wide also

BTW, I am still waiting for your phone call, some how you have forgotten to call me up since you already have the list. I am sure many other T43 Owners are anxiously waiting for your phone call also. Don't forget to add us to your statistical data will you

darrenf · #70 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:49 am

I'm speechless

-d

dtakias · #71 Post by **dtakias** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:06 am

hi,

i have made a list with photos of the expresscards that will be available very soon.
Those include sataII specificatiion card from sunix, tv tuner cards from avermedia/lifeview, also somewhere i spoted firewire800 card but i cant remember, all 54 type wide.
These type of cards will benefit a lot from the direct access to the pci express bus because of the much higher bandwidth, at least 4x more.
USB,wireless will not see much benefit maybe better latency.
i wish the t43 had more than 1slot, but at least its better than nothing;-)
http://www.dtakias.com/expresscard.html

snabjab · #72 Post by **snabjab** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:12 am

right so...back to the wireless question...?

dtakias · #73 Post by **dtakias** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:23 pm

i use intel2200bg that came with mine. i am thinking to change it to 2915 altough it works just fine on windows and linux.
some people prefer ibm wireless because i have heared that they get better reception but i cannot guarantee that.
either way i think you'll be fine...

edit- meant 2200bg obviously... and not 2215

ddutta · #74 Post by **ddutta** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:36 pm

I have a 2200b/g and I have no issues at all. I use a netgear router at home. I use school networks and they work (they did for some 3-4 schools for sure). I think people in this forum are too critical and this way of thinking is infectious

I started becoming critical of IBMs. Then I saw a bunch of Dells in my group and normalcy was restored!!!

snabjab · #75 Post by **snabjab** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:44 pm

today i ordered a 2373M1U, spending about $400 more than the ridiculously discounted price Dell offered me on the D610. So expect to hear from me again in two weeks!

I decided to go EPP instead of going through the special deals on the website right now since for a few dollars more I got 512 instead of 256 and XP Pro instead of XP Home. Another $50 at newegg for another 512 RAM and I should be set.

Thanks to (most) everyone for their comments, they've been helpful.

snabjab · #76 Post by **snabjab** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:18 am

Wow, the T42 came in 4 days, one of those days even being the weekend.

Well I don't see any purple underneath my arrow keys and this keyboard doesn't feel a whole lot (read any) better than my Dell, so does someone want to point me to the thread which explains how to get a NMB? Would be much appreciated!

Also...hate to say it but this thing is pretty much as loud as the D610 I've got packed up ready to return. And whereas the noise from the Dell very clearly came from the area of the fan exhaust, the noise here seems to emanate generally from the front half of the machine. Makes me think I should have just gotten a T43! Maybe I'll just send it back for one and see if the NMB arrives. Comments?

ddutta · #77 Post by **ddutta** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:35 am

Well My T42 makes a lot of noise and so do the T42s of some of my relatives esp when teh CPU works at 1.6G. I dont live in igloos but in hot-n-sunny golden state with the mercury hitting 35-40deg C in summer. People on this forum wouldnt believe such statements. They want to believe that the T42s make no noise and the T43s scream!

darrenf · #78 Post by **darrenf** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:16 am

A noise from the front of the machine sounds unusual. If it's under the right palm it's the hard drive. What speed hard drive is it? Do you feel a vibration as well? If you move the laptop through the air (parking the HDD) does the sound stop for a second?

BTW: IBM has always changed out keyboards on request for me. Let them know that you're unhappy and that the keyboard doesn't feel like the "other T42s you've tried" and so you researched online and discovered that there was this NMB/Thai keyboard and you want one. You will probably have it the next morning. While you're at it, request a set of recovery CDs -- they are free in the first 30 days.

-darren

#79 Post by **GomJabbar** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:23 am

snabjab wrote:the noise here seems to emanate generally from the front half of the machine.

The speakers are located in the front of the T42. Try hitting the mute button and see if the sound disappears.

My T42 is quiet as a church mouse. The only thing I occasionally hear is the DVD drive when it's accessing a disk. However it's true I don't run programs that really tax the CPU.

snabjab · #80 Post by **snabjab** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:36 pm

Interesting. Thanks for the tips, guys. That was a quick, preliminary email I sent out and I haven't had time yet to look into it further, but in the pad's defense (not that it needs defending here) I'd just like to say that upon first inspection the thinkpad build quality seems to justify its reputation. It really feels solid and the trackpoint and buttons are all much much better than the Dell.

I'll give them a call about the keyboard and I'll take a closer look at the noise issue. If the noise doesn't go away I'd be tempted to try a T43, especially considering I'd get a faster processor and everything else equal for $50 less. Would it probably ship as fast as the T42? I mean...4 days is pretty quick! Also, are there any concerns with ordering two and sending one back or is Lenovo fine with that?

not to give the wrong impression - I intend to get the bugs worked out and get going with my T42, but one never knows!

snabjab · #81 Post by **snabjab** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:31 pm

OK so I've taken a closer look. After all the hype I'm surprised that I'm still impressed with this thing, but it really is a work of art in comparison with a Dell. This keyboard - whichever it is - is crap though and must be swapped for a NMB. I think I can say without hesitation that it's actually worse than the Dell keyboard.

The noise - the noise basically sounds like fan exhaust and is being emitted from the front part of the unit's base - so where the right palm rests when typing. So I guess this has to be the hard drive. Is it normal that it would be so loud? It's not bad - when there's background noise it's inaudible. I have the 2373M1U so it's a 80GB 5400rpm drive.

Keyboard - I'm looking to remap keys. People who don't use the windows key are just silly. I use the win key constantly to switch to the desktop, open explorer, open the run command, open the browser, find files, go to device manager, etc. So the keys on the left which are currently Fn / Ctrl / Alt, I want to make Ctrl / Win / Alt. Am I the only one who constantly uses Ctrl + backspace to delete entire words/lines quickly? It's very handy and Ctrl realy needs to be at the end of the line. I tried to remap these keys using Access IBM but it doesn't seem to allow the remapping of the Fn key. Am I missing something?

Thanks! Also still very interested in knowing if it's feasible to order a T43 and send back whichever one I don't want.

#82 Post by **GomJabbar** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:56 pm

snabjab wrote:People who don't use the windows key are just silly.

Silly me.

jlingo · #83 Post by **jlingo** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:20 am

I think this thread is good for people like me living in Asia. I bought T43p and it's noisy in my opinion. It's very annoying especially when I'm staying in the hotel where the surrounding is dead quiet. Also surrounding temperature is mostly around 30-39degrees during the day. And T43p could get really hot!! and battery life is very short too.
I wish I have read this forum before buying. We don't have a 30days money back guarantee like in The United States. So basically I'm stuck with the machine I bought. I'm an unsatisfied user.

Hans Gruber · #84 Post by **Hans Gruber** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:38 am

This is rediculous. People arguing over fan noise, heat and other superficial differences between the T42 & T43. The biggest difference between the two machines. Finger print reader, higer FSB and DDR2 memory. Some T42's have a fingerprint reader. Essentially, both machines are physically identical. The T43 benefits from newer technology stated above. Is the T43 better, of course it is. For those of you who wish to cry over this, get a tissue.

PCworld.com says the T43 battery lasts longer than the T42. Other websites say different things about the respective battery life. IBM thinkpads are like Rolex watches. The purchasers tend to be highly superficial with egos that bruise with extreme ease. If you have the T42, your laptop is slightly inferior but equally as beautiful.

Lenovo now owns and manufactures the T42/T43 however, IBM's thinkpad team still calls all the shots. The only thing Lenovo will have control over is the size of the Think Pad logo after 18 months. Until then, the logo shall remain as it is. Too many people think that Lenovo is taking over the entire design process of the new Think Pads. It takes up to 2 years just to design a Think Pad line. Lenovo just bought the IBM laptop business, they have had no time to change anything.

Too many thinkpad owners are far to pretentious about their purchase. Just like all technology, newer is always going to be superior is some way shape or form. There is little physical difference between the T42/T43. Hardware wise the T43 is superior and T42 owners cannot handle this fact. The Sonoma line of processor is no Prescott. It runs slightly hotter but the increased performance is slightly better. Both machines are excellent.

My T43 is better than your T42 because most T42's lack fingerprint readers. The fingerprint feature is a very nice addition.

snabjab · #85 Post by **snabjab** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:35 am

Hans Gruber wrote:This is rediculous. People arguing over fan noise, heat and other superficial differences between the T42 & T43. The biggest difference between the two machines. Finger print reader, higer FSB and DDR2 memory. Some T42's have a fingerprint reader. Essentially, both machines are physically identical. The T43 benefits from newer technology stated above. Is the T43 better, of course it is. For those of you who wish to cry over this, get a tissue.

PCworld.com says the T43 battery lasts longer than the T42. Other websites say different things about the respective battery life. IBM thinkpads are like Rolex watches. The purchasers tend to be highly superficial with egos that bruise with extreme ease. If you have the T42, your laptop is slightly inferior but equally as beautiful.

Lenovo now owns and manufactures the T42/T43 however, IBM's thinkpad team still calls all the shots. The only thing Lenovo will have control over is the size of the Think Pad logo after 18 months. Until then, the logo shall remain as it is. Too many people think that Lenovo is taking over the entire design process of the new Think Pads. It takes up to 2 years just to design a Think Pad line. Lenovo just bought the IBM laptop business, they have had no time to change anything.

Too many thinkpad owners are far to pretentious about their purchase. Just like all technology, newer is always going to be superior is some way shape or form. There is little physical difference between the T42/T43. Hardware wise the T43 is superior and T42 owners cannot handle this fact. The Sonoma line of processor is no Prescott. It runs slightly hotter but the increased performance is slightly better. Both machines are excellent.

My T43 is better than your T42 because most T42's lack fingerprint readers. The fingerprint feature is a very nice addition.

wow, what a nice bit of pretension and superficiality from someone so concerned with avoiding said qualities.

wait just a sec I'm struggling with something here....so if my T42 has a fingerprint reader then it's as good as your T43? i think i need to do another one of those surveys where i call every single thinkpad owner and collect opinions, i'm beginning to doubt the results of my first. oh you know what??? i bet the problem was lenovo!!! i bet that since they're a chinese and not american company they didn't give me the entire list of thinkpad owners!!! so in conclusion, i am a xenophobe (and quite possibly a racist, i haven't decided yet!) and a luddite!

hans gruber i must say that your cognitive powers leave us all in awe! i mean to claim that newer is always better...this is a breakthrough!

cheers to another mind-numbingly insubstantial post. it's not that there's anything wrong with your opinion, but there are serious problems with the way you expressed it.

aabram · #86 Post by **aabram** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:08 pm

Offtopic: I somewhat agree with Gruber partly on that sillyness thing. For 99% of the users the technology is long past the neccessity point already and the rest becomes at some point relatively petty.

Essentially we're arguing here over whether Gilette 5-blade razor with two lubricating strips is better than Gilette 5-blade razor with one lubricating strip while most chins in the world could still be perfectly shaved with two-blade razor and no-name shaving foam. It's cool to have 5-blade and not 3-blade but it's hardly a matter to lose a sleep over. Unless you absolutely must have two lubricating strips.

Michael1980 · #87 Post by **Michael1980** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:24 pm

Hans Gruber wrote:This is rediculous. People arguing over fan noise, heat and other superficial differences between the T42 & T43. The biggest difference between the two machines. Finger print reader, higer FSB and DDR2 memory. Some T42's have a fingerprint reader. Essentially, both machines are physically identical. The T43 benefits from newer technology stated above. Is the T43 better, of course it is. For those of you who wish to cry over this, get a tissue.

PCworld.com says the T43 battery lasts longer than the T42. Other websites say different things about the respective battery life. IBM thinkpads are like Rolex watches. The purchasers tend to be highly superficial with egos that bruise with extreme ease. If you have the T42, your laptop is slightly inferior but equally as beautiful.

Lenovo now owns and manufactures the T42/T43 however, IBM's thinkpad team still calls all the shots. The only thing Lenovo will have control over is the size of the Think Pad logo after 18 months. Until then, the logo shall remain as it is. Too many people think that Lenovo is taking over the entire design process of the new Think Pads. It takes up to 2 years just to design a Think Pad line. Lenovo just bought the IBM laptop business, they have had no time to change anything.

Too many thinkpad owners are far to pretentious about their purchase. Just like all technology, newer is always going to be superior is some way shape or form. There is little physical difference between the T42/T43. Hardware wise the T43 is superior and T42 owners cannot handle this fact. The Sonoma line of processor is no Prescott. It runs slightly hotter but the increased performance is slightly better. Both machines are excellent.

My T43 is better than your T42 because most T42's lack fingerprint readers. The fingerprint feature is a very nice addition.

Looks like you worry about the fact that the T43 is criticised on this forum.
Don't, it is a great laptop.

Hans Gruber · #88 Post by **Hans Gruber** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:06 pm

I think my point was pretty obvious. Too many users can handle the rapid progress in the technolgy market. You spend $2,000 on a T42 and 6 months later IBM introduces the T43. T42 owners can't take it. T43 owners will soon have to deal with the X60 which was just introduced. It's got wide screen displays. I'm scared!

Michael1980 · #89 Post by **Michael1980** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:18 pm

Yes, but there has been a few users that have returned the T43 and got a T42. They can handle it allright.

Michael1980 · #90 Post by **Michael1980** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:18 pm

Double posting.

Either way, I hope the T-series does not end here with their great quality.

Convince me to get the T43...please!

I have a T43 my brother has a T42

Re: I have a T43 my brother has a T42

Re: I have a T43 my brother has a T42

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