sell T42/43 for a T60?

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ddutta · #1 Post by **ddutta** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:41 pm

I have both the T42 as well as a 2 month old T43. Is it a good idea to sell the T42 and get a T60?

Pros:
* better performance
* better battery life
* future proof

Cons:
* have to shell out money!
* keyboard quality is unknown
* this is probably a lenovo only design ...
* new chipset issues: drivers etc

christopher_wolf · #2 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:45 pm

I would stay with your T43 and T42; they are quite future proof right now. Windows Vista should run fine on both, depends though, and they will keep up for quite some time. Also, the T60 they have on the Website to be ordered is in the "startup" phase of the line. First release, zeroth post-release revision, and there will be T60s that perform a little better down the line. Although the 4GB capable Thinkpad is very tempting, how much of that will you use? Windows can't use any more than 2GB of it; unless you get another OS or Windows XP 64-Bit Edition.

ddutta · #3 Post by **ddutta** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:49 pm

Thanks Chris! If I had a 4GB T60, I would put it to good use: large matlab jobs, molecular modeling etc

However I have access to a big cluster for now

I agree with the other comment that this is the 1st phase model. I am 200% satisfied with my recent CTO T43 ... its better (faster, quieter and cooler) than my 1st phase T42 with FPR.

Of course, I would run Ubuntu on it!!!

christopher_wolf · #4 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:53 pm

Cool; very Cool.

Yeah, Molecular Modeling needs as much memory as it can get; I know how that feels.

#5 Post by **daeojkim** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:21 pm

I would definitely wait for few months until few more T60 units are lined up and see what options will be available.
For molecular modelling it will be good idea to have dual core as you would be able to run jobs in the back ground and do other things without affecting much the performance.

I think I will stay with my T42 and T41p for a year or so before making transition to a T60 series.

dino · #6 Post by **dino** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:38 pm

ddutta wrote:I have both the T42 as well as a 2 month old T43. Is it a good idea to sell the T42 and get a T60?

Don't ever buy the first of anything, wait for the bugs to work themselves out.

tom2517 · #7 Post by **tom2517** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:04 pm

ddutta wrote:I have both the T42 as well as a 2 month old T43. Is it a good idea to sell the T42 and get a T60?

Pros:
* better performance
* better battery life
* future proof

Cons:
* have to shell out money!
* keyboard quality is unknown
* this is probably a lenovo only design ...
* new chipset issues: drivers etc

I was told T60 is still designed in Japan by the same lab that designed thinkpads. However, whether Lenovo was able to retain the same employees after they took over is unknown.

christopher_wolf · #8 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:48 pm

In certain facilities; Lenovo has kept all the the R&D staff...I haven't heard of any news from the Yamato Design Center about a massive layoff. Besides, why would you want to get rid of the R&D Teams that designed the Thinkpad after you spent a pretty penny buying it? The only plant closure that I have heard of recently was an IBM/Lenovo Factory in Scotland.

dfumento · #9 Post by **dfumento** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:04 am

The 40% extra battery life is tempting to me but otherwise unless doing CPU intensive work it wouldn't be worth the upgrade IMHO.

Temetka · #10 Post by **Temetka** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:21 am

If it were me I'd save my pennies and wait for more hands on reviews. This is going ot be a Rev 1 product from a company that is still (IMO) in it's transition phase. There are going to be issues. Since you mentioned that money is a factor, why gamble on a Rev 1 product? I'm sure the machines will be fine for the most part, but there is no reason to tempt fate with your wallet.

The machines you have now are great. They are far superior to my little T23.

tom2517 · #11 Post by **tom2517** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:40 am

christopher_wolf wrote:In certain facilities; Lenovo has kept all the the R&D staff...I haven't heard of any news from the Yamato Design Center about a massive layoff. Besides, why would you want to get rid of the R&D Teams that designed the Thinkpad after you spent a pretty penny buying it? The only plant closure that I have heard of recently was an IBM/Lenovo Factory in Scotland.

Lenovo did said they want to keep the TP design in Japan, as that was where TP was originally designed. What I meant was whether Lenovo will be able to retain the same engineers. I am not saying this will be the case, but some Japanese won't work for Chinese.

dr_st · #12 Post by **dr_st** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:35 am

I have a T42 now. I'm not getting a T60 until it hits T62 at least.

muffd · #13 Post by **muffd** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:28 pm

I'm thinking the same thing. I would like to wait until it's been tested a bit before making another big purchase.

ako · #14 Post by **ako** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:17 pm

i'd sell t42 now, invest money and wait for merom-based t61 or whatever it will be called

. [hopefully] by that time lenovo will polish all the annoyances people will find in t60.

christopher_wolf · #15 Post by **christopher_wolf** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:47 pm

Merom-Based T61? I don't think IBM/Lenovo is going to change the CPU technology yet again so soon after everybody has made a big hoopla about Yonah. It will be the successor to the Yonah; see http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24932 . That would still be one heck of a shift though; I will save up anyway

I am guessing it will come out around the end of 2006/beginning of 2007.

Rose · #16 Post by **Rose** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:30 pm

christopher_wolf wrote:Merom-Based T61? I don't think IBM/Lenovo is going to change the CPU technology yet again so soon after everybody has made a big hoopla about Yonah. It will be the successor to the Yonah; see http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24932 . That would still be one heck of a shift though; I will save up anyway I am guessing it will come out around the end of 2006/beginning of 2007.

AFAIK, Intel is planning the release of Merom within a year.

ako · #17 Post by **ako** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:04 am

It's scheduled for second half of the year, at least that's what recent inquirer says about intel roadmap(http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28861). i suspect we will have to wait about 3-6 months for merom based thinkpads after intel's merom announcement.

Anyone remembers timelines oft40/ t42/t43?

rleo25 · #18 Post by **rleo25** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:18 pm

I'll keep my T42 too, until the new Lenovo Thinkpad's production matures, let them have time to correct all the design and manufacturing flaws, and implement new technology changes. Just wait a little to get a real cualitative jump in those machines, it will render a good profit. In the meantime T42 an T43 will perform well enough, don't rush, as the chineese themselves say: "mo zhe shi ziguo he" which means: "to cross the river, step on the stones, just one by one".

w0qj · #19 Post by **w0qj** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:20 pm

Why not wait until Windows Vista comes out at (around) end of this year?

This way, you get a computer that will definitely work with Win Vista...

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