New T series?

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carshooter · #1 Post by **carshooter** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:22 am

Hi list, are there any rumors about a successor to the t42s? I'll be in the market for a laptop soon and was just wondering if something is on the horizon.

Thank you!

mattfromomaha · #2 Post by **mattfromomaha** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:35 am

6+ months out

#3 Post by **JaneL** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:16 am

Generally speaking with electronics if you worry about when to buy because of what may be on the way, you'll never buy anything. There's always something better/bigger/faster/etc just around the corner, and manufacturer's release dates and subsequent availability are written in sand.

It's much better to decide what your needs are, look through current offerings and make your purchase when you find a combination of price and features that matches.

Bep684 · #4 Post by **Bep684** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:49 am

It's possible that IBM MIGHT unveil a minor update to the Thinkpad T line, for example a T43 (Pentium-M 765 (2.1 GHz), and Intel PRO a/b/g wireless) within a couple of months at most. But I wouldn't expect much more than that before the end of the year.

If you have a laptop that works, then wait for Alviso. If not, or you absolutely need one now, then get one. Whatever the case, i'm sure you'll be satisfied.

AtmosMan · #5 Post by **AtmosMan** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:20 pm

Intel has slated Alviso and Sonoma (chip and chipset) for Q1 of next year. This will include faster processors (up to 2.13Ghz), a faster FSB (533Mhz), DDR-2 memory, better audio, Intel a/b/g wireless, etc. This probably won't be implemented in Thinkpads until Q2 of next year, so if you are waiting to buy this technology (in IBM machines of course - T43 or T50), you will probably have to wait till March, April, or May of next year.

After this, Intel will most likely switch to dual core, 64bit processors for the new version of windows. So there is Intel's roadmap in a nutshell. Hope it helps with your decision.

jsmit86 · #6 Post by **jsmit86** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:52 pm

Keep in mind that the T42 series has only been available since about May.
My model was only introduced on the IBM website in mid June.
I would not expect a "T43" at least until some time in 2005.

awolfe63 · #7 Post by **awolfe63** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:25 pm

Also note that Intel's first DDR-2/PCI Express desktop chipset was far from impressive - Alviso may not be any better.

Binglehopper · #8 Post by **Binglehopper** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:25 am

I wish that IBM would find a way to squeeze an Athlon64 chip into the T Series someday

AtmosMan · #9 Post by **AtmosMan** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:50 am

awolfe63 wrote:Also note that Intel's first DDR-2/PCI Express desktop chipset was far from impressive - Alviso may not be any better.

And watch Intel delay Alviso and Sonoma for another 3 months to get the bugs out of the chipset. I guess it's kind of good they are learning from their mistakes on desktop platforms, so that they can fix the bugs for the laptop platforms. It just means we have to wait a bit longer. It's OK though, I'll be in line for Alviso/Sonoma when it does come out.

ian · #10 Post by **ian** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:45 pm

Binglehopper wrote:I wish that IBM would find a way to squeeze an Athlon64 chip into the T Series someday

Why? Doesn't your central heating work?

#11 Post by **K. Eng** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:59 pm

I would not expect a large performance increase (3-5% from the faster FSB and DDR2-533, which is about as fast as DDR400).

What I do expect from Alviso is nice features like SATA, integrated audio, and power saving featuers like enhanced LCD backlight control and DDR2 (much lower voltage than DDR).

awolfe63 wrote:Also note that Intel's first DDR-2/PCI Express desktop chipset was far from impressive - Alviso may not be any better.

jsmit86 · #12 Post by **jsmit86** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:35 pm

ian wrote:
Binglehopper wrote:I wish that IBM would find a way to squeeze an Athlon64 chip into the T Series someday
Why? Doesn't your central heating work?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Very Funny!

mrbjr · #13 Post by **mrbjr** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:31 pm

Ian, that observation was priceless

ian · #14 Post by **ian** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:51 am

But it's true! The last time I ever had anything remotely labelled AMD in my office I had to open all the windows - I know they're supposed to be designed to run hot, but what about all the other components?

Chun-Yu · #15 Post by **Chun-Yu** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:08 am

Are you sure you aren't mixing the AMD and the Intel Prescott up?

IIRC, the Prescott has the most insane thermal dissipation.

mouse@cheese.storage · #16 Post by **mouse@cheese.storage** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 3:43 am

Did post this in another section of the forum, but as it is relevant, it seems like accordin to earlier notifications Sonoma was only for Q1 2005, but according to this article (http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004A ... 026479.htm), Intel would still get it done by Q4 2004, and I also read in relation to that that some notebook manufactures (I think it was HP) would be ready to ship their new platforms from then on.
So maybe it might all still come earlier ...

Bep684 · #17 Post by **Bep684** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:42 am

I forgot to post this earlier.

I stumbled upon it while searching on Google. Note that this PDF was created a couple months before Intel announced the delay of the Centrino 2 official release date.

So, if Intel had not delayed Centrino 2, IBM would likely have made an announcement about new Thinkpads this month.

I doubt that'll happen now.

awolfe63 · #18 Post by **awolfe63** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:17 am

It was funny...

But to be fair - I run an Athlon 64 3200 in a tiny little Shuttle box wih 1 very small, slow fan and it runs just fine. No real heat at all.

jsmit86 · #19 Post by **jsmit86** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:04 pm

awolfe63 wrote:It was funny...

But to be fair - I run an Athlon 64 3200 in a tiny little Shuttle box wih 1 very small, slow fan and it runs just fine. No real heat at all.

Desktop or Notebook?

awolfe63 · #20 Post by **awolfe63** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:09 pm

Shuttle machines are small (~1 foot high/1 foot deep) desktops - kind of like the Apple cube.

Binglehopper · #21 Post by **Binglehopper** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:54 pm

Chun-Yu wrote:Are you sure you aren't mixing the AMD and the Intel Prescott up? IIRC, the Prescott has the most insane thermal dissipation.

AMEN!!! someone who really knows the truth between Intel and AMD products!!!

In my opinion, AMD chips (at least desktop) run much faster and cooler than present Intel offerings. Now unfortunately, the current AMD notebook CPU's aren't the greatest yet, but once they get optimizing the Athlon64 cores for portability, I think they're gonna blow Intel away.

#22 Post by **K. Eng** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:15 pm

Not likely. The Athlon 64 was designed for raw performance, not best performance per watt. To get the Athlon 64 as efficient as the PM, AMD would need to pretty much start from scratch. It took Intel at least 2-3 years to create Banias, even using parts of the P6 core, and I doubt AMD could do a similar job in significantly less time.

Binglehopper wrote:Now unfortunately, the current AMD notebook CPU's aren't the greatest yet, but once they get optimizing the Athlon64 cores for portability, I think they're gonna blow Intel away.

v_parthi · #23 Post by **v_parthi** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:26 am

Heat is one problem with AMD64, but the real problem is power consumption. Though AMD has improved its mobile performance, it's still not enough.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/06 ... ook_chips/

It's 44 watt, when compared to 2x(24/21) watt comsumption of banias/dothan.

awolfe63 · #24 Post by **awolfe63** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:27 pm

Umm, unless your TP can do some cool trick mine can't - power consumption = heat. 8th grade Physics...

XCoalMiner · #25 Post by **XCoalMiner** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:26 pm

Bep684 wrote:I forgot to post this earlier.

I thought this blurb was insightful, ... I never knew what the X, T, R or G stood for:

Die ThinkPad Familien
X - eXtreme portable
T - Travel Notebook
R - Ready To Run
G - Desktop Alternative

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