Thinkpad T42p - with P-M 735 1.7GHz and Radeon 9600 ????

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nofuture · #1 Post by **nofuture** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:34 am

I'm really confused. I have been offered a T42p with Radeon 9600 and Pentium-M 735 (1.7MHz). As far as i'm aware all Txxp models have "special" FireGL video card and T42p starts from 745 (1.8MHz).

Anyone has ever seen with spec as above?

Cheers

pianowizard · #2 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:46 am

This is a T42, not T42p.

zverg · #3 Post by **zverg** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:56 am

yeah sounds like my T42 just slower.

The p got a video bios flash to magically make it a firegl

though I think it had 128mb video memory vs 64 as well.

nofuture · #4 Post by **nofuture** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:03 pm

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42p

this website tells it can be configurations like this. But somehow i'm still not convinced..

Anyone else experienced p version like this?

pianowizard · #5 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:06 pm

nofuture, do you know this unit's model number? If you don't, can you ask the seller for it?

#6 Post by **Johan** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:51 pm

To find the precise specifications of the ThinkPad in question, check this thread which will take you here. Search the tabook/tawbook/ltwbook or search the present ”psref31x/32x” (containing specs for ThinkPad's offered more recently), which you'll find here.

As pianowizard says, this surely must be an error... no T42p's exist with less than 1.8 GHz CPU! At eBay the other day I saw something similar: A T42 with an XGA-display claimed as being a T42p! Cheating or lack of knowledge?

Kind regards,

Johan

#7 Post by **KristianJ** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:59 am

ltwbook confirms that NO T42p ever came out with anything less than a FireGL, so I'm not sure where Thinkwiki got their information from. It's merely a good spec T42. Get the model number as pianowizard suggested and that will set your mind at ease.

nofuture · #8 Post by **nofuture** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:11 am

thanks guys,

I have requested my seller to send me the model number, so far no answer. Lets wait from him.

zverg · #9 Post by **zverg** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:15 pm

If it's sxga+ and 14" I say buy it and source a 2.0GHz processor and 7200rpm hard drive for it and you'll have a blazing little computer (albeit not much for the latest games I would imagine, but the 9600 isn't a terrible card)

Pocket Aces · #10 Post by **Pocket Aces** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:32 pm

The FireGL T2 is basically the workstation version of the Radeon 9600. Same hardware, different software. Maybe that's the mix-up.

zverg · #11 Post by **zverg** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:15 pm

Pocket Aces wrote:The FireGL T2 is basically the workstation version of the Radeon 9600. Same hardware, different software. Maybe that's the mix-up.

I thought it had twice the video ram too (at least in the version sold in thinkpads). But yes, same card, different firmware. just like how this laptop I'm on right now is a 'quadro nvs 110m', which is just a geforce go 7300

nofuture · #12 Post by **nofuture** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:28 am

Thanks guys.

Finaly i have got reply. Really nice guy, it seems its T42 as we have thought. But he is sure he can get me T42p by the start of next month.

Could you advice me what models offer 14.1 inch screens? So far i got only 2373 GTG model.

Is there any other versions?

#13 Post by **Johan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:24 am

nofuture wrote:Thanks guys.

Finaly i have got reply. Really nice guy, it seems its T42 as we have thought. But he is sure he can get me T42p by the start of next month.

Could you advice me what models offer 14.1 inch screens? So far i got only 2373 GTG model.

Is there any other versions?

If you check this thread, you will find the reference to "Personal Systems Reference, Lenovo ThinkPad Notebooks, 2005 to present - withdrawn (December 2006 - Version 316" (and more). You may easily check there which models come with 14.1" display. To check the specifications for a given ThinkPad, go here.

Good luck with your T42p-to-come... these are outstanding ThinkPad's!

Best regards,

Johan

nofuture · #14 Post by **nofuture** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:14 pm

Johan,

Thanks for reply. Took a look into it, but still confused.

The only 14'1 models in ltwbook.pdf are:

2373-P1U Pentium® M 765 2.1 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW 11a/b/g II32 Mod/Blue Finger Yes 5.8 hr Oct 2004 (IBM Vireless)
2373-P2U Pentium M 765 2.1 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U Combo ✳ Intel 11b/g32 Mod/Blue Finger Yes 6.0 hr Oct 2004
2373-P3U Pentium M 765 2.1 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW ✳ Intel 11a/b/g32 Mod/Blue Finger Yes 5.9 hr Jan 2005
2373-GVU Pentium® M 745 1.8 512M 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U Combo 11a/b/g Wi-Fi32 Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004
2373-GUU Pentium M 745 1.8 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW 11a/b/g Wi-Fi Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004
2373-GTU Pentium M 745 1.8 512M 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW ✳ Intel 11b Wi-Fi32 Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004
2373-GRU Pentium M 745 1.8 512M 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW ✳ Intel 11b/g32 Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004
2373-KTU Pentium M 755 2.0 1GB 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U DVD-RW 11a/b/g Wi-Fi Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004
2373-KUU Pentium M 755 2.0 512M 14.1" SXGA+ FireGL 60U Combo ✳ Intel 11b/g Mod/Blue Yes 9 XP Pro No May 2004

But http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/2373-GTG refers only to 2373-GTG.

Do I miss some models or no? Why information on ltwbook does not cross over with thinkwiki?

Could someone with more knoweledge look into this?

I would take any UK model because of keybord (I like larger "Enter" key) and would prefer model with IBM wireless (I heard they are better than Intel)

Regards

#15 Post by **Johan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:31 pm

@ nofuture:

Unfortunately, IBM's tabook, ltwbook, psrefxxx etc are all incomplete; many more models exist than those listed there. I am not aware of the existence of any publicly available, complete list of all ThinkPad's. But - I don't believe that this (even if available!) would be of much use to you, since you seem to be looking for a ThinkPad T42/p which are no longer being manufactured and sold as new by IBM. Therefore, I don't quite see the use to you of having a complete catalogue of all ThinkPad's T4x/p ever in production, because you can no longer just call IBM/Lenovo and order e.g. 2373-GTG... it has long been discontinued!

So, if you want a T42/p, I think your options are both fewer and fortunately also simpler: All you can do is check the used and refurbished models offered e.g. on eBay (or similar places), or on the Marketplace here at forum.thinkpads, or dealers here and there selling used or refurbished ThinkPad's. There are many such dealers spread all over, e.g. this one here in Denmark (although particularly they are having a somewhat mixed reputation), ThinkPadWorld (also having a mixed reputation - see this thread), and many others in the USA - and probably some in the UK also. Magic Devices in Germany and also the ThinkPad-Forum.de » Marktplatz and perhaps also ThinkWiki's Byuers Guide are worth keeping an eye at. IBM also sells used/refurbised ThinkPad's but much more expensive than found e.g. at eBay - check for yourself here here.

If I were you, and more or less precisely knew what I was after, I'd probably post a "WTB" (Want to buy) advertisement here in the Marketplace.

Good luck - I am absolutely satisfied with my T42p (recently bough as "re-manufactured" via the Marketplace here).

#16 Post by **Johan** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:52 am

@ nofuture:

Hurry up, and check this thread: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=46208 ... and, yes, it is a 15" model, but is has the outstanding FlexView/IPS display, which is soon going to be not available anymore on any ThinkPads (the last T60's with FlexView are being sold these days). I my openion, this UXGA+ w/FlexView is far better that the non-Flexview 14.1" models, so if you can accept the slightly larger size/weight (and potentially the slightly lower battery time of a 15" over a 14.1"), I would certainly study this offer closely!

Try do a serach in this forum after "FlexView" and see what folks think about that! Go for it - don't postpone happiness!!

Regards,

Johan

#17 Post by **KristianJ** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:03 am

Johan wrote:@ nofuture:

Hurry up, and check this thread: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=46208 ... and, yes, it is a 15" model, but is has the outstanding FlexView/IPS display, which is soon going to be not available anymore on any ThinkPads (the last T60's with FlexView are being sold these days). I my openion, this UXGA+ w/FlexView is far better that the non-Flexview 14.1" models, so if you can accept the slightly larger size/weight (and potentially the slightly lower battery time of a 15" over a 14.1"), I would certainly study this offer closely!

Try do a serach in this forum after "FlexView" and see what folks think about that! Go for it - don't postpone happiness!!

Regards,

Johan

I second this - my T42 has the Flexview and it is a joy to use!

nofuture · #18 Post by **nofuture** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:22 pm

Johan wrote:@ nofuture:

Hurry up, and check this thread: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=46208 ... and, yes, it is a 15" model, but is has the outstanding FlexView/IPS display, which is soon going to be not available anymore on any ThinkPads (the last T60's with FlexView are being sold these days). I my openion, this UXGA+ w/FlexView is far better that the non-Flexview 14.1" models, so if you can accept the slightly larger size/weight (and potentially the slightly lower battery time of a 15" over a 14.1"), I would certainly study this offer closely!

Try do a serach in this forum after "FlexView" and see what folks think about that! Go for it - don't postpone happiness!!

Regards,

Johan

Now you've got me into thinking.

I used to have T60p with Flexview 15" - loved it. But i thought it was litle bit to big. Would love to try 14" version. My mum has R52 version with ordinary screen, yes you can see the difference but quality is ok for me.
Could you clarify how slightly larger was T60p 15" vs T42p 15" any pictures for comparision?

Guy i'm dealing with promised to find T42p 14.1" for £350 and it's UK model in UK. So i wont need to pay all sorts of taxes if i would opt to buy fro US. Thats just my thoughts, but if you have a better advice i'm allways open to listen.

Thanks for all your thoughts, really apreciate it.

#19 Post by **Johan** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:59 am

For a size comparison of 14.1” vs. 15” ThinkPad, see this (hoya’s post of Wed Feb 22, 2006) which will take you here or this thread, the latter which will take you here.

FYI, 15” FlexView/IPS displays on T42/p’s are made by the company IDtech (both the SXGA+ and the UXGA models). It is also claimed (here) that LG used to make FlexView panels for the T4x series, but they are not mentioned as FRU’s in the T42 Hardware Maintenance Manual. On T60/p’s SXGA+ FlexView/IPS displays are made by LG-Philips and BOE-Hydis, and UXGA panels are being made by BOE-Hydis (according to the T60 Hardware Maintenance Manual).

You will find more pictures and information if searching the T4x forum after “pictures flexview” (select “Search for all terms”). The following threads might also be of interest: Owner opinion about mobility of 15.0" Flexview Thinkpad and Laptops galore - 5 Thinkpads in for evaluation and the image at the top of this page gives a nice comparison between some of the most common screen types.

Trading in your own country or importing from the USA? I agree, that it is much to prefer to deal locally (no trouble with warranty coverage, no customs duty added, simpler/cheaper shipment etc.). So, if you can find what you are satisfied with in the UK, go for that! The “best” would of course be if you were actually able to see and use the ThinkPad you are being offered before buying it – I would personally go through quite some trouble to obtain this.

What to do? Depends on your budget, your priorities (e.g. display quality above or below size?), your possibilities – how long are you prepared to wait, how “nice” (well-kept!) must your ThinkPad be etc. Again, the best I think you can do is try to actually use and see the various models you are considering… although this might not be easy? Perhaps there are some other ThinkPad-users in London who would be willing to invite you to “a private demonstration”? Then you could have a nice cup of English tea together!

Good luck!

Best regards,

Johan

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