15" FLEXVIEW For Gaming

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ryan · #16 Post by **ryan** » Mon May 31, 2004 2:17 pm

aamsel wrote:(I'll try my question one more time)
I am interested in the T42 15" 1400X1050.
This IS a Flexview screen?? (the IBM website says that it is)
Just wanted to clarify.

Yes it is.

Droosh · #17 Post by **Droosh** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:28 am

I'd say the pole is flawed. We need seperate polls for each of the two 15in flexview displays. They are different and will have different performance.

Reading some of the posts I'm thinking that it is possible that the 1400x1050 fifteeen incher has a faster response time? At leaset that is my hope as I have a DXU on order.

Thoughts or comments on this display in particular?

Conmee · #18 Post by **Conmee** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:36 am

Folks,

Here are the specs from IDTech for the Flexview LCD screens that come with the 15" UXGA/SXGA+ Flexview T42 models. I've also included a non-Flexview screen's specs from IDTech for comparison. As everyone knows, non-Flexview LCDs have faster (lower) response times and lower power consumption, making them less susceptible to ghosting/shadowing, etc. Again, as many of us have said, alot of the actual performance is subject to individual tastes/preferences/perceptions. For alot of folks, the superior screen will be worth it despite the occasional ghosting/shadowing in games and other high-contrast situations.

I've included the IDTech link, btw, for those who want to look for themselves. Also, IDTech isn't supplying 14" LCDs anymore, so the 15" non-Flexview that I've included for comparison probably has greater power requirements than a comparable 14" SXGA+ LCD from LG or Samsung, but most likely has equivalent contrast, brightness, and response times. Finally, it's interesting to note that even the max response time for the non-Flexview screens is less than the average response time for the Flexview screens. And most importantly, during fast-action, high texture game play, I'm willing to bet the Flexviews end up on the max end of the response time...i.e. 120ms v. 45ms for non-Flexview.

http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/products/index.html

15" UXGA Flexview
.1905 pitch
200 nits
400:1 contrast
262K Colors
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum
Power Consumption 7.2W typical, 8.9W maximum

15" SXGA+ Flexview
.2175 pitch
200 nits
400:1 contrast
262K Colors
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum
Power Consumption 6.6W typical, 7.2W maximum

15" SXGA+ TN (NON-Flexview)
.2175 pitch
200 nits (center of screen), 185 nits average
250:1 contrast
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45ms typical, 50ms maximum
Power Consumption 4.1W typical, 4.7W maximum

Daniel.

Conmee · #19 Post by **Conmee** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:39 am

Droosh wrote:I'd say the pole is flawed. We need seperate polls for each of the two 15in flexview displays. They are different and will have different performance.

Reading some of the posts I'm thinking that it is possible that the 1400x1050 fifteeen incher has a faster response time? At leaset that is my hope as I have a DXU on order.

Thoughts or comments on this display in particular?

Droosh,

To your point, the IDTech specs for the T42 15" screens would indicate that they do NOT have different performance, nor will their performance vary in a statistically significant way (other than power consumption). However, because the Fire GL T2 is pushing around more pixels on a UXGA screen v. an SXGA+ screen, that could contribute to a perceived difference in display response/quality, though it would not, technically speaking, be a function of the display's limitations, but rather the GPU's limitations.

Daniel.

kano · #20 Post by **kano** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:09 pm

Conmee wrote:Folks,

15" UXGA Flexview
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum

15" SXGA+ Flexview
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 60ms typical, 120ms maximum

15" SXGA+ TN (NON-Flexview)
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45ms typical, 50ms maximum

Daniel.

Most of producers' shows on responce time only rise or fall time. Check carefully specification for 15'' SXGA+ TN (page 8 in pdf), and compare with page 8 in 15" UXGA Flexview specification.
Under common conditions for 15'' SXGA+ TN should be:
Optical Rise + Fall Time (Response Time) 45+45ms typical, 50+50ms maximum

KaNo

NecessaryEvil · #21 Post by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:23 am

Thought I'd chime in.

my 2379-DYU arrived yesterday.

UT2004: Great
Q3A: Great
DesertCombat: Great
CounterStrike: Noticeable ghosting, but not unbearable. (especially as little as I play CS)
FarCry: Great

Other monitors that I use for comparison:
12.1" XGA on the X31
14.1" SXGA+ on the T41P (that I'm sending back, thanks to the T42P)
2x 20" UXGA on the Dell 2001FP's (Home)
1x 20" UXGA on the Dell 2000FP (LAN)

#22 Post by **aamsel** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:22 am

Have you tried any DVD playback, and viewed it carefully???
(yes, I realize that DVD playback would be generally less demanding than what you have tried).
Andrew
Austin, TX

ryan · #23 Post by **ryan** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:11 pm

Good to hear and congrats, NecessaryEvil. I just ordered the 2378DXU after reading that FlexView is fine running those games!

Thanks

#24 Post by **aamsel** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:11 pm

Just want to verify:
1.) Is the only difference between the 2378-DXU and the 2379-DYU the extra 2 year's warranty ?? If so, when (for what kind of buyer) would it be recommended to get just a 1 year warranty ??
2.) Is there a 56K modem on the 2379-DYU ??
I only ask because, on the IBM site, it says "None" in the column for modem, but on the config. sheet it says it has one. (not that I will ever use one, but...)
Thanks,
Andrew
Austin, TX

G-Man · #25 Post by **G-Man** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:21 pm

1. Yes, the two models are identical, except the 1 and 3 years warranty.
2. There is a 56K modem.

The website is full of typos. Use the tabook for correct information.

Regards,
G-Man

cynic · #26 Post by **cynic** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:39 pm

ThinkPad T42 2378DXU 2378 DXU
(60.0 GB U, Intel Pentium M
Processor 735 1.7GHz, 512 MB,
24x/24x/24x/8x max CD-RW/DVD drive,
64 MB Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics chipset,
Intel 11b/g wireless, 6 cell Li-Ion battery,
modem, 1 Gb Ethernet, ThinkPad UltraNav,
IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0,
Bluetooth wireless technology,
15.0-in TFT 1400 X 1050 FlexView display
with wide viewing angle and high density,
Windows XP Pro, 1yr Warranty

ThinkPad T42p 2379DYU 2379 DYU
(80.0 GB HS, Intel Pentium M
Processor 745 1.8GHz, 512 MB,
DVD Recordable drive,
128 MB Mobility FIRE GL T2 graphics chip set,
Bluetooth wireless technology,
IBM 11a/b/g wireless, 6 cell Li-Ion battery,
modem, 1 Gb Ethernet, ThinkPad UltraNav,
IBM Embedded Security Subsystem 2.0,
15.0-in TFT 1600 X 1200 FlexView display
with wide viewing angle and high density,
Windows XP Pro), 3yr Warranty

Differences are highlighted. All have 56K modems.

(so I guess the short answer is there are a ton of differences between the two)

#27 Post by **aamsel** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:55 pm

I am very sorry, I meant to say what is the difference between 2378-DXU and 2379-DXU which would be just the warranty. I guess I was surprised that people would order a system for $100 less and lose 2 years of warranty.
Andrew
Austin, TX

cynic · #28 Post by **cynic** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:18 am

2 years more warranty is ~$120... so it's really only a difference of $20.

ryan · #29 Post by **ryan** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:38 am

cynic wrote:2 years more warranty is ~$120... so it's really only a difference of $20.

I'm already above budget as it is, so every penny counts.

#30 Post by **aamsel** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:46 am

So, as to what cynic was saying:
Can you add the additional 2 years warranty to a notebook during the first year?
If so, is there a link on the IBM site that outlines warranty additions???
Andrew
Austin, TX

G-Man · #31 Post by **G-Man** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:18 am

Yes, you can. Actually it can be more than two years, depends on your budget. There is a link but you need to know your machine type and serial number, but here are the warranty upgrade prices for my T40 (came with 3 year warranty), so you can have an idea about the costs.

2 year onsite repair 9x5/next business day: $98.00
3 year onsite repair 9x5/next business day: $119.00
4 year depot repair: $110.00
4 year onsite repair 9x5/next business day: $299.00
5 year depot repair: $220.00
5 year onsite repair 9x5/next business day: $449.00

Hope it helps,
G-Man

cynic · #32 Post by **cynic** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:54 am

Notice that $120 I mentioned is on-site and not depot (EZ-Serv) which means even less downtime (though in the US, EZ-Serv + shipping time has never meant more than 48 hours of being without my laptop; They have something like an 8hour in-depot policy) The standard 3 year is in-depot, not on-site.

#33 Post by **aamsel** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:23 am

So, is it actually better to take it with the 1 year warranty and to add an on-site warranty later?
Andrew
Austin, TX

#34 Post by **aamsel** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:10 pm

OK: please bear with me.
Because these are Think Express systems, you can't change the warranty options at time of purchase, is that correct??
So, if you buy a Think Express system with 1 year depot warranty, then add a 3 year on-site, the on-site would not begin until the end of the first year? Is this correct?
Thanks,
That is my last question,
Andrew
Austin, TX

tselling · #35 Post by **tselling** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:25 pm

You might want to be careful on whether you are getting a warranty Upgrade vs a warranty Extension. I may be wrong, but I believe the inexpensive upgrade only applies for the same length (ie a 3 year onsite upgrade only applies to a 3 year depo original warranty). You should be ok if you can select the warrarnty at time of purchase since they should only list valid combinations.

#36 Post by **aamsel** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:28 pm

But the Think Express models don't offer any variation in warranty. They just come with what they come with.
Andrew
Austin, TX

clanon2 · #37 Post by **clanon2** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:31 pm

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ehd · #38 Post by **ehd** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:25 pm

is neverwinter nights fun?

bold.eagle · #39 Post by **bold.eagle** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:45 pm

@ G-Man:
Where did you find those 4/ 5 year warranty upgrades? I searched on IBM's webpages, but did only find warranty upgrades for a max. of 3 years only.
Perhaps they don't offer those longer warranty upgrades anymore with the current T42 Thinkpads?

@all:
If someone else would know where to find/ buy warranty upgrandes for longer than 3 years, I would appreciate any help very much.

Thanks

Matt_ · #40 Post by **Matt_** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:40 am

I wanted to give this thread a bump because I found the information that Conmee posted on page one fascinating.
It also answered my curiousity about the FlexView screen and about who ID Tech / IDTech is. Prior to spending some time this evening search this site for information, I had tried using google to find information but could not find anything.

(To summarize how to look up the manufacturer of your screen, look up the parts list :
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... sLookup.vm

My screen listing appeared as follows :
Mfg part # : 92P6671
FRU part # : 92P6680
Description : 15 INCH LCD DISPLAY FRU
Serviceable ? : YES

Then take the FRU part # and plug it into the search bar at the very top of the lenovo website.
Click on the "LCD service parts list" for your particular T4x series ThinkPad.
In my case that was http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-55304

Then scroll down the list until you see the heading for your particular model. Then you will see the name of the manufacturer of your screen.)

Here are some additional links :
http://www.pctechguide.com/07panels_In- ... tching.htm
http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/products/pdf ... L04-03.pdf
http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/technology/tech_ad.html
http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/technology/poweredby.html
http://www.idtech.co.jp/en/about/index.html

15" FLEXVIEW For Gaming

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