T41 + 8GB CF-IDE (Solid State)

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tahsan · #31 Post by **tahsan** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:00 pm

sorry iamdmc i am not so shure about the price in canada. I live in London, uk. Where it sells for around £74-£100 which is equal to $145-$200.

Try to search in google amazon.com is selling it for $156. I am not shure whether its canadian or us $. Try here
http://www.sigelectronics.com/Electroni ... h-300x-8GB

If you find sandisk more cheaper than you can buy sandisk.
Or if you have anyone in usa just ask them whether they can buy it for or something.

sjthinkpader · #32 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:06 pm

sojourner wrote:sjthinkpader, does the CF in the Ultrabay run in PIO or UDMA mode (curious which UDMA also if it does)?

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My card and adapter is running in UDMA Mode 2. This message is sent on a T23 running with this 2GB CF as SSD.

iamdmc · #33 Post by **iamdmc** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:11 pm

Thanks, I'll try that.

tahsan · #34 Post by **tahsan** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:29 am

iamdmc wrote:Thanks, I'll try that.

So, iamdmc, how are you doing. keep us informed.

sojourner · #35 Post by **sojourner** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:47 am

tahsan wrote:My one is running in ultra dma 4; which is supposed to because lexar supports udma 4.

Heres the video. its 3gp(sony erricsson) format. you can use windows media player classic to play it or anything you got.

http://rapidshare.com/files/108663723/DSC00026.3GP

Impressive boot time tahsan! I am working toward installing a CF drive. Been ordering what is needed and came across this, which others interested in our endeavor might appreciate:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0220840412
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0226813490

Had the idea of putting a IDE CF adapter in a Ultrabay Slim HD caddy and going that route. This way the primary HDD still stays in its bay and in BIOS you'd select which drive to boot from (HD0 or HD1).
Here is a DUAL IDE CF adapter which might work in the Ultrabay caddy (AD44MIDE2CF): http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_ ... midecf.asp
BTW: I found Addonics direct to be the lowest price found! (maybe didn't look enough?)

It would be nice to hear from others regarding what brand / model /size CF card they have and what they think of it performance wise!

tahsan · #36 Post by **tahsan** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:05 pm

From some of the forum, who have worked with Microsoft embedded software they recommended Addonics. I would have gone for this but as I am situated in UK it is too costly (I spend £5=$10 for adapter inc post).

Now whatever you do don’t go for micro drive, because it technically its hdd with moving parts; therefore does not have any benefit.

I think I mentioned it before that I went for hdd bay because than I don’t have to take hdd, while I am moving about. Tell you frankly, though I have put my hdd into ultra bay but haven’t used it in this 3month. Now I am thinking to put the hdd into a network caddie and hook it up with my router.

Transcend got some pro edition card which acted as a fixed disk but they are very slow but expensive! The only fast cards are sandisk iv and lexar. If you go for little bit less fast like 266x than you have kingston as well.

hki · #37 Post by **hki** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:27 am

In the following link are some write and read tests done with digital cameras and card readers for many CF cards. The use of the card in a camera is of course different and I am wondering if these benchmarks would have the same ranking for computer use.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera ... =6007-9255

iamdmc · #38 Post by **iamdmc** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:42 pm

The adapter I purchased on eBay (Dual CF to 44-pin IDE) came in the mail yesterday. Cost: around $7 shipped.

I've also purchased a SanDisk 8GB Extreme IV Card, which should arrive in a week or two.

I'll be trying the adapter with an old 2GB CF card + WinXP install on an X31 tomorrow. Will report on it later, but I don't expect great results using that card. I may also try it with a Class 4 8GB SD card + CF-SD adapter - but, again, the performance would likely be low.

Anyone else have good news on this front?

tahsan · #39 Post by **tahsan** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:21 pm

dont forget to download a copy of xplite from
http://www.litepc.com/ .I didnot had any 2gb card only 1gb thats why could not install it. After installation turn off windows page file to protect your cf card from unlimited write by windows.

I was able to install windows 98 on to my 1gb sandisk card

.

Oh I just want to tell you that be patient

. It will take ages to install because of slow writing speed of cf. My hi speed card takes hell lot of time to install anything, but after installation its alright.

good luck, and if you need any help you know where you will find me.

iamdmc · #40 Post by **iamdmc** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:19 am

Any way I can get XPLite for $0 instead of $40? It seems like a great program.

tahsan · #41 Post by **tahsan** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:24 am

its a really good programme. if only they had one for vista as well.

sjthinkpader · #42 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:46 am

I was in Taipei and Tokyo last few days.

8GB CF card was NT$1200 (8GB SD was NT$999) in Quanwha market in Taipei. This would be about US$40.

Thje ASUS EEE PC with 20GB SSD was going for about NT$15000 or about US$500. 12GB version was slightly cheaper.

I found a 2.5" HDD sized ATA/CF adapter in Akihabara and it cost Y1300 or about US$13. This would make inserting the adapter in HDD slots a little easier.

iamdmc · #43 Post by **iamdmc** » Wed May 07, 2008 7:08 pm

I finally tried it, but I keep getting errors (no hard drive detected).

Using Dual CF-IDE adapter, 8GB counterfeit (dang) Sandisk Extreme IV card and an 8GB OCZ SD card in a SD-CF adapter

Any ideas?

tahsan · #44 Post by **tahsan** » Sat May 10, 2008 3:51 am

hi, iamdmc, why did you choose counterfeit sandisk. I bought one first and it gave me so much trouble

. its read and write speed is horrible and constant error message makes your life miserable.

however, which op system you are trying to install. And which bay you are using.

iamdmc · #45 Post by **iamdmc** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:19 pm

The auction had pictures of the genuine card and claimed to be genuine. I did not purchase a counterfeit - I purchased a genuine card but received a counterfeit. I'm currently trying to get my money back for that.

I'm going to try Windows XP on it, once I can get it properly formatted

tahsan · #46 Post by **tahsan** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:01 am

have you bought it from ebay. if yes just claim back the money. same thing happen to me as well than i bought lexar one from independant shop not from ebay.

it took me nearly 1 month to get the money back from paypal though.

best of luck.

sjthinkpader · #47 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:54 pm

Fry's had a RiDATA Lighting series 8GB CF card for $35 today so I bought one and loaded WinXP on it. It ran flawlessly as compared to the 2GB card I used before. Here are the published spec comparison:

RiDATA CF 233X
Read speed 35MB/sec
Write speed 12MB/sec
http://www.ritekusa.com/product_specs.a ... ducts_id=3

Hitachi 7K100 (80GB)
Media transfer speed 561Mb/sec (~56MB/sec, read and write)
Avg seek 10/11mSec (read/write)
http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib. ... NAL_DS.pdf

So during a singe file read operation, the HDD would be faster. During a multi-file read operation, the seek time kills the HDD media transfer speed advantage.

HDD is over 4 times the speed of CF in write. But it loses the advantage with small files or fragmented disk.

In browser operation, when there are a lot of small files and the browser caches these small files, the CF would have the most advantage. When the files are large and contiguous such as jpg, then the HDD would win.

Incidentally, a Type 6 SD card is only 6GB/sec write.

sojourner · #48 Post by **sojourner** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:21 pm

sjthinkpader wrote:Fry's had a RiDATA Lighting series 8GB CF card for $35 today so I bought one and loaded WinXP on it. It ran flawlessly as compared to the 2GB card I used before.

sjthinkpader, I have the same card. It runs at full speed in XP in a T41 Cardbus slot in Delkin's high end 32bit adapter, but boy is it a dog in the Ultrabay IDE port! Didn't clock the speed there but guess it's about 3meg sec.

All I've done so far is use it for speed testing, as a secondary drive. Would like to try it as a bootable disk but don't know how to get the boot sector (and OS) the T41 looks for installed. Can you (or someone) help with information on making a BOOTABLE CF card?

Thanks

sjthinkpader · #49 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Thu May 15, 2008 10:51 pm

I have a full size ATA adapter picked up at Akihabara in Tokyo. The CF socket is at the tail end of this adapter. So I don't have to use the Ultrabay tray anymore.

CF/ATA adapter (91KB file)

You can see the activity LED to the right of the card. I don't have any software to benchmark the transfer speed.

I just use the XP distribution disk and in the beginning select disk quick format.

thistleb · #50 Post by **thistleb** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:03 pm

Hi
I just joined the forum mainly due to this post. I bought an adapter for a couple pounds from ebay and an cheap 8gb card from amazon. I opted to remove my old disk and install this in its place because i use an ultrabay battery. I had to take the palm rest off and undo some more screws but i was able to insert the card/adapter into the connecter and i made a little foam cushion to support the card/adapter. For the longest time i couldnt get windows to recognise the drive but eventually after taking apart one of my 2.5" external drive, I realized that i was inserting the card wrong. Once I reinserted the adapter so pins were correct, windows installed without a problem.

Basically, i just wanted to confirm again that the adapter and CF card work fine in my T42. I have yet to perform any benchmarks but hopefully ill get to that when im done installing.

Cheers!

sjthinkpader · #51 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Sat May 24, 2008 8:49 pm

Welcome to the forum.

If you set the power management to Maximize Battery life, it should run a long time. Having a lower speed Banias helps too.

My adapter is a full length one so I didn't have to remove the palm rest.

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