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popeye · #1 Post by **popeye** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:50 pm

where can I purchase the Recovery CD's for my T-40 2373, and how much do they cost?

#2 Post by **Johan** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:04 pm

1) Directly from IBM - cost around $45. Look --> here.

2) Via eBay - cost anything from $25 and upwards.

3) Best! Via the Marketplace on this forum. Put up a "WTB" there (Want To Buy), and chances very good are someone will sell you a copy for less than $25.

Johan

popeye · #3 Post by **popeye** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:23 pm

I forget to mention this ThinkPad came recertified with all the software, Windows and IBM preinstalled (No Win XP Pro or IBM disks )

#4 Post by **Kyocera** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:51 pm

Have you tried making the CD's yourself from the TP.?

#5 Post by **Johan** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:54 pm

If the "Rescue & Recovery" partition is already/still installed on your T40 (which you seem to indicate?), then you may simply create (= burn) a set of Recovery CD's yourself; see the thread Did Rescue & Recovery. Have no CREATE RECOVERY DISKS and in particular the post by carbon_unit of Fri May 18, 2007 11:45 am:

carbon_unit wrote:It (=the "Create Recovery CD's" option) could be in one of two places:

# Click Start.
# Select All Programs.
# Select Thinkvantage.
# Click Create Recovery Discs

or

# Click Start.
# Select All Programs.
# Select Access IBM.
# Click Create Recovery Discs

Are any of these options available?

Johan

popeye · #6 Post by **popeye** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:21 am

As far as I know I don't have a partition, how do I double check?
And , Yes I'd be willing to make my own but I don't have any WinXP Pro disk, all the software was preinstalled.
For what its worth I recently purchased a Seagate Free Agent Pro
500GB External hard drive and I've made an .iso back up of the entire C Drive with their Disk Wizard software. Will this serve the same purpose as the IBM Recovery CD's. I'm just wanting to make sure I've got all my bases covered with my ThinkPad. Never had a hard drive crash.

#7 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:28 am

Go to Computer Mgmt, Disk Mgmt, you may see the partition there. It would be somewhere around 4 - 6 gigs either "unknown" or "fat32".

If you turn off the machine - wait ten seconds, then start the machine and hit F11 you can boot into the recovery environment (if it's there

).

I've had a couple HD crashes and you're right about having all bases covered, makes life so much easier....

popeye · #8 Post by **popeye** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:20 am

following your directions it says:
Local Disk (C)
Layout/partition
Type/basic
File System/ NTFS
Status/Healthy(System)
Capacity/37.26GB
Free Space/ 24.53GB
% free/ 65%
Fault Tolerance/No
Overhead/0%

#9 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:53 am

Looks like it is not there. I know there is a guy in the marketplace who sells IBM Oem recovery CD's, just search back a few pages. Or you can post that you need some and I'm sure someone will get you a set. I've sent out a few for the T42 and don't charge but for shipping. Just don't have your particular model.

popeye · #10 Post by **popeye** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:16 am

What is the " Layout/partition " all about?
It's a 40GB hard Drive OEM, yet it says "Capacity/37.26GB "
Is it hiding?
I don't understand this, Can I not make my own because I don't have the Windows Disk?
What about the .iso file of the hard drive I mentioned earlier. will that help me do a recovery just in a different fashion?
So much to learn and so little time!

#11 Post by **Kyocera** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:28 am

Try, the F11 thing I explained earlier, if you have an operational recovery partition you will boot into that environment and mystery will be solved. If you have some partitioning software and can view your HD it will be shown.

Can you post a screenshot of your disk mgmt?

popeye · #12 Post by **popeye** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:46 am

tried the F11, no luck , just F1 or F12 listed as options after hitting Access IBM button. Will see what I can do with the print screen.
F12 brings up boot choice ( your choice of which device)

dcouzin · #13 Post by **dcouzin** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:06 pm

You certainly don't have a restore partition. 37.26GB is exactly the size of C: on a 40 billion byte hard drive. The discrepancy is due to 1 GB being 2^30 bytes which is about 1.074 billion.

popeye · #14 Post by **popeye** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:22 pm

Thanks, didn't think so.
So what do you think about that .iso file recovery and my previous questions?

dcouzin · #15 Post by **dcouzin** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:36 pm

In some ways a clone of your drive is better than the recovery disks, and in some ways worse.
The clone will have your own preferred installed software instead of the factory pack. The clone will have your preferred settings (which might include elaborate registry work). The clone will have the myriad Windows updates, replacement drivers, and the like.
On the other hand the recovery disks will not have any of your installation and settings errors, some possibly insidious. It can also cut through partition errors you have made (although to reclaim the restore partition is not an error). Should you wish to sell or pass on your T40 to a stranger, the recovery disks return it to new soft condition (except for BIOS and such).
Thus recovery disks might be good things to have, but they're not good things to use. Whenever I've used mine I've spent the next week getting my computer to be mine again.
One problem with your clone is that you don't know if it will work. What state of formatting must your hard drive be in to receive the image? I've made bum clones. Now I have two hard drives and after each new cloning I replace the original with the clone and check if it works.
It is useful to have a Windows installation disk. This allows the much prized "clean install". You can make an XP installation disk from the contents of your own C:\I386 together with some downloaded stuff by following the directions in: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=3827. It really works. I checked it by installing the XP (from my T42) on my old 600X. I only use the latter when the former is in the shop, so Microsoft will pardon the experiment.

popeye · #16 Post by **popeye** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:41 am

Thanks for the heads-up!
You've certainly given me a much better prospective of it all.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "What state of formatting must your hard drive be in to receive the image"
I'm thinking your asking "what is the bios is set to boot from".
I'll definitely will try making those recovery disks from the instructions you posted.
And thanks again for your reply.

dcouzin · #17 Post by **dcouzin** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:49 pm

Whoever speaks of the "state of formatting" of a hard drive doesn't have the lingo and must be a beginner. That's me. I was hoping others would weigh in to my simple account, and explain things.

popeye · #18 Post by **popeye** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:48 pm

We all live and learn, but we must teach and share to make this a better place!
Nobody I know of was born with their knowledge.
I'm a little clumsey with my vocabulary at times, as long as we can get the thoughts across, thats what counts.

#19 Post by **Kyocera** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:05 pm

popeye (the sailor man ) wrote:For what its worth I recently purchased a Seagate Free Agent Pro
500GB External hard drive and I've made an .iso back up of the entire C Drive with their Disk Wizard software. Will this serve the same purpose as the IBM Recovery CD's. I'm just wanting to make sure I've got all my bases covered with my ThinkPad. Never had a hard drive crash

If you make a bootable cd from that iso image you should be able to install it on a new drive. I've never used Disk Wizard software, but you can probably use that software CD to format a new/used drive to fat32 so you can install the iso image.

My backup plan is to get an OS set up, tweaked up and load all the software I use, use it for a couple of days just to get it right and then Clone (see instructions here)that image to another drive using Acronis True Image. I then can put that drive into a usb enclosure and back up the data from my current OS to a file on that image. Acronis has backup tools for this that work great. I can take that drive with if I travel and pop it in in the event of a failure and continue to march from there. This leaves zero down time (well almost). You could also make copy of that drive on a dvd. Recovery CD's put you at square one, and if your drive fails and you don't have a spare you really have nothing to recreate and get going until you get yourself another drive.

Buy yourself a cheap 40 gig drive and clone it for a spare is my advice.

dcouzin · #20 Post by **dcouzin** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:59 pm

popeye, sorry you misunderstood my comment which was about my own lingo, not yours.

popeye · #21 Post by **popeye** » Thu May 01, 2008 4:02 am

Dcouzin, I didn't misunderstand your comment, I was just stating that we've all got room to learn.
Kyocera, I need time to absorb your thoughts as this recovery thing is all new to me. You sound like you definitely have a plan!

Brad · #22 Post by **Brad** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:23 am

PM'd.

#23 Post by **carbon_unit** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:52 am

Which version of Disc Wizard are you using? The version is a stripped down version of Acronis True Image. It says "Powered by Acronis" on the screen. Get it here.

popeye · #24 Post by **popeye** » Thu May 01, 2008 5:56 am

It says:
v.10.0 (build 5,077)

#25 Post by **carbon_unit** » Thu May 01, 2008 2:55 pm

That's it. You already have a limited feature version of Acronis True Image. No scheduling or creating bootable media.

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