T43 Discussion!!

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Conmee · #196 Post by **Conmee** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:32 pm

Just FYI:

Since someone mentioned Lenovo, I will also add that IBM employees who were in PCD cannot look for other assignments or jobs at IBM for a period of two years from the time the deal is finalized (actually, they can't come back as of now for two years, technically speaking, but it will be 24 months from the time the sale is finalized in April).

Daniel.

hundesau · #197 Post by **hundesau** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:55 am

Thats really interesting and the question arises: Why arent they allowed to become employes at IBM/LEnovo again within the next 2 years starting from April?

NathanA · #198 Post by **NathanA** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:41 am

hundesau,

Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Conmee's message as meaning that people who were part of the Personal Computing Division are not allowed to get re-assigned from that division to another part of IBM for two years.

My guess would be that this would keep everyone from jumping ship. After all, IBM did say that the employees were part of the deal, too. They, of course, have the option to quite *entirely*, but then that would jeopardize their chances of getting a position elsewhere within IBM in the future (they'd have to be re-hired), so there is an incentive to suck it up and stick around to work for Lenovo for 2 years.

-- Nathan

hundesau · #199 Post by **hundesau** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:49 am

:/ guess ur right, happens often that i misunderstand something. thx4 ur explanation

jjfcpa · #200 Post by **jjfcpa** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:10 am

Conmee wrote:Just FYI:

Since someone mentioned Lenovo, I will also add that IBM employees who were in PCD cannot look for other assignments or jobs at IBM for a period of two years from the time the deal is finalized (actually, they can't come back as of now for two years, technically speaking, but it will be 24 months from the time the sale is finalized in April).

Daniel.

There was an interesting article in CRM (Computer Reseller Mag) that implies that a number of IBM R&D people may get lucrative offers from HP or Dell and this may be what undermines the IBM Lenovo deal. Without the same R&D effort, the Thinkpad line will lose it's lustre.

mmeier · #201 Post by **mmeier** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:48 am

could you pls provide us with the article?
scan?

thx

Skywing · #202 Post by **Skywing** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:20 am

anyone here NOT really all that excited about the T43? upon looking at specs, while it does look impressive, i can still upgrade a lot on my T42 which would make it pretty [censored] close to the performance of the T43s, i can still upgrade my processor to the highest PM765 when the price comes down enough, i can expand mem to 2GB if i wanted to, i just dont seem to have the excitement for it

fargusmax · #203 Post by **fargusmax** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:57 am

I was excited...until I heard about the battery life taking a dive because of the Sonoma PCI-E Bus. IBM's quoted times (tabook) on the "p" models are down about 0.6-0.7 hours from the T42ps (from 5.9 to 5.2 on the 14.1" models). Now, is the additional performance worth the drop in battery life? I believe that depends on each person.

Anyone find it odd that the current top of the line 14.1" T42p still has a list of $4249, while the top of the line 14.1" T43p will go for around $3800? Of course, you can't get the T43p until April....

Rob

Thinker · #204 Post by **Thinker** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:13 pm

I have been following this thread, and it seems that the T43 is just an incremental improvement (not a quantum leap) from the T42. The ExpressCard slot, faster FSB and CPU chipset sound all like good things, while the supposedly lower battery life seems like a small setback.

Also, the graphics card sounds like a nice improvement, unless we are stuck with system graphics on the T43 (vs the T43p).

I guess that for me the biggest question is: Are the little flaws regarding the construction of the T42 going to be gone with the T43, the same as the T23 ironed out some of the problems with the T2x series (stress cracks for example). Some people might consider this a stupid consideration

Ruben

kobepm · #205 Post by **kobepm** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:29 pm

Having read many posts...I am starting to wonder if it's worth it to wait for the T43. While I'd like to be "future-proofed" as much as possible...do the improvements to the T43 really make it that much better a machine than the T42?

Any help/insights will be appreciated & used in my buying decision.

Thanks.

I get Taurens · #206 Post by **I get Taurens** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:32 pm

ready for some pics?
Japanese T43 was photoed:

all pictures are from e800.com.cn, not great picture quality, but you get the idea

http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 477498.jpg-T43 and T42, band of brothers : )
http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 461390.jpg-T43
http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 493489.jpg-suprisingly, I believe the T43 is actually slightly thinker than T42(if I am not mistaken T43 is the machine that's turned on)

dr72 · #207 Post by **dr72** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:21 pm

IR0NMAN wrote:
danny_isr wrote: i was looking till now into T42 14" 1.7Ghz Radeon 9600- 64M . 40G, 256M. i can get it for $1400 now , using IBM discount. how much a T43 with similar specs will be?
A similar T43 (with X300 and 512MB, 1.86GHZ, 2687-D7U) is 2079$ (List price) so calculate with your current discount and you will see...

Where are you finding the models and prices? When I go to the ibm site I only see 2 T43 models, both having intel graphics.

#208 Post by **RonS** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:33 pm

Taurens - it appears that both the T42 and T43 use the exact same chassis. They are both the same thickness.

dr72 - See the document at http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF and scroll to the bottom for prices.

JHEM · #209 Post by **JHEM** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:57 pm

I haven't been following this thread and haven't read all 14 pages of posts, so if this has been posted before, I apologize.

Found some additional links on the IBM site today with more T43/p info and thought some of you might be interested.

Overview - ThinkPad T43/p: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-58315

Detailed specifications - ThinkPad T43/p: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-58317

Regards,

James

TimWang · #210 Post by **TimWang** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:25 pm

Is there MRx600 on the t43, t43p?

tribal-sunrise · #211 Post by **tribal-sunrise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:29 pm

no - only the OpenGL Version of the x600: V3200

pointfielder · #212 Post by **pointfielder** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:21 pm

Are there any advantages of the 128MB ATI Mobility Fire GL V3200 over the
older 128MB T2, or the new 64MB X300 (except for the obvious double
memory)?

csv96 · #213 Post by **csv96** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:42 pm

The FireGL V3200 is a bit faster than the FireGL T2 based on raw numbers:

http://www.ati.com/products/workstation ... atrix.html

http://www.ati.com/products/workstation/benchmarks.html

Hard to say if most people would notice a difference in games and applications.

ludu35 · #214 Post by **ludu35** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:51 pm

Look likT43 is a very nice laptop and EXPENSIVE too, but still missing some features:
- Bluetooth 1.1 NOT 1.2
- NO Firewire
- NO Memory Slot for Digital Camera

What eles? any input?
P.S. I bet the T43P probably cost up to 3500 - 4000 USD

frank99 · #215 Post by **frank99** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:33 pm

hello,

someone like the new T43 now???? you can already order 4 pice at the IBM webiste!?!

is that true that IBM website tell there are already in stock? or what???

look:

EXP T43 FINGERPRINT PENT M 740 14" XGA 256MB 40 COMBO CENT
IBM 1875D6U
$1,729.00 $1,556.10 1 in stock

EXP T43 FINGERPRINT PENT M 740 14" XGA 256MB 40 COMBO CENT
IBM 1875D6U
$1,729.00 $1,556.10 1 in stock

T43 FINGERPRINT PENT M 760 2.0 14" SXGA 512MB 80 MULTI CENT
IBM 266872U
$2,849.00 $2,279.20 2 in stock

T43 FINGERPRINT PENT M 760 2.0 15" SXGA 512MB 80 MULTI CENT
IBM 266892U
$2,929.00 $2,343.20 1 in stock

or this are demos??

frank

w0qj · #216 Post by **w0qj** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:53 pm

many notebook computers are now coming out with 3-4 USB ports now...
some have Firewire support now...
and some even have digital camera memory card slots...

hundesau · #217 Post by **hundesau** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:32 am

fargusmax wrote: Of course, you can't get the T43p until April....
Rob

1. Why?

2. But the T43 models will be available starting late February?

arion · #218 Post by **arion** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:01 am

Still missing

Decent speakers
DVI and Analog adaptor
More USB 2.0 ports
Wide screen option

As for these

Bluetooth and Firewire are almost useless and will die soon
Parallel is useless and no serial port !

fargusmax · #219 Post by **fargusmax** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:11 am

hundesau wrote:
fargusmax wrote: Of course, you can't get the T43p until April....
Rob
1. Why?

2. But the T43 models will be available starting late February?

Check out the many posts to the pdfs with the announcements. The T43p pdf states that the planned availability is not until April. The GMA900 and the X300 are late Feb. The new TABOOK.pdf also has this info in it. There's another thread with the link, or you can go to Bill's storefront page, which also has a link to the tabook.

ludu35 · #220 Post by **ludu35** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:26 pm

arion wrote:Still missing

Decent speakers
DVI and Analog adaptor
More USB 2.0 ports
Wide screen option

As for these

Bluetooth and Firewire are almost useless and will die soon
Parallel is useless and no serial port !

Firewire may be useless cause it got few USB 2.0 ports, but Bluetooth still useful if the laptop get one, you can use it with headset, cellphone etc.

ehd · #221 Post by **ehd** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:28 pm

firewire isnt gonna die yet because people still rely on it for digital video transfer. firewire has a steady transfer rate while usb 2.0 may be faster it does not have a steady transfer rate therefore dv cams generally use firewire. as for bluetooth... i think cell phones will continue relying on it.. but i'm not too familiar with the difference between 1.1 and 1.2. and for people complaining about camera memory sticks.... i think there are just too many different kinds...? i personally use cf cause of my powershot but i had a sony memstick for my clie... and i know a lot of people are using sd... well whatever just my two cents.

ehd · #222 Post by **ehd** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:29 pm

oh and parallel could technically free up one of ur usb ports heh

lvlolvlo · #223 Post by **lvlolvlo** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:19 pm

here it be

http://mali.serveftp.net/mali/T43-EduStore.htm

i did a screen capture...

lilserenity · #224 Post by **lilserenity** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:21 pm

Definitely seems like the T43 is the refresh to the T4x series that the T23 provided to the T2x series.

The faster FSB, and other changes do seem to have the hallmark that the T23 had to the T20/21/22, as well as the new PCIe bus etc. I can't say the T43 has me extatically excited by the specification; but then I guess at least in some departments, the T43 is 'keeping up' with other manufacturer's laptops/notebooks/lap burners

For now I will stick with my 3 year old T23, and I can see myself using it for many years yet before I find myself upgrading.

Perhaps I'll get a T43p in 2008

Unless I get a company laptop, all the more reason for me to hopefully suceed in getting a job with IBM....

Vicky

ehd · #225 Post by **ehd** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:09 pm

lvlolvlo wrote:here it be

http://mali.serveftp.net/mali/T43-EduStore.htm

i did a screen capture...

its 200 dollars less on the epp site =x

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