Does my thinkpad T41p contain any titanium?

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Jonathan Cordery · #1 Post by **Jonathan Cordery** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:55 pm

Does anyone know whether or not my T41p 2373-GGG has any titanium in its construction, either the lid or the base? Before I bought this laptop I assumed that all T series laptops did, but since browsing this forum I have found out that this isn´t necessarily so.

Leon · #2 Post by **Leon** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:30 pm

Magnesium composite in the top cover, titanium-reinforced CFRP in bottom cover

ian · #3 Post by **ian** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:54 pm

Jonathan Cordery wrote:Does anyone know whether or not my T41p 2373-GGG has any titanium in its construction, either the lid or the base? Before I bought this laptop I assumed that all T series laptops did, but since browsing this forum I have found out that this isn´t necessarily so.

A question or three - does the fact that it does or doesn't have titanium in it's construction make you love it less? Does the fact that the keys aren't gold-plated make your typing better or worse? Are your easily influenced by the numerous people here who appear to be smoking their own socks and who regularly come out with certifiably stupid comments regarding the fact that the thinklight is placed 13.5 millimeters more to the left?

Leon · #4 Post by **Leon** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:13 pm

your right! but.... perhaps a little harsh, esp. to a new (6 day old) member.... and you don't even have snow to deal with! (you lose 58 brownie points)

slasko · #5 Post by **slasko** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:23 pm

Hello i am curious? Does the T42P also contain titanium?
By the way titanium is a good thing right?

And i am also a newbie so please do not slaughter me

eriqesque · #6 Post by **eriqesque** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:28 pm

ian wrote: A question or three - does the fact that it does or doesn't have titanium in it's construction make you love it less? Does the fact that the keys aren't gold-plated make your typing better or worse? Are your easily influenced by the numerous people here who appear to be smoking their own socks and who regularly come out with certifiably stupid comments regarding the fact that the thinklight is placed 13.5 millimeters more to the left?

Case and Point

ian · #7 Post by **ian** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:36 pm

slasko wrote:Hello i am curious? Does the T42P also contain titanium?
By the way titanium is a good thing right?

And i am also a newbie so please do not slaughter me

Wouldn't dream of it - I personally couldn't give a monkeys if the case is made from fried haddock as long as it works/does it's job. As to titanium, well it sounds jolly good stuff, but whether or not it makes Thinkpads (or any other laptop) wonderful, I simply couldn't say.

Welcome to the forum, newbie or not - we've all got things to learn - I trust Jonathon will recover one day, and I apologise if I offended him. Let's not forget what we're involved with here - it's a computer, not a new girlfriend/boyfriend/cat etc.

Conmee · #8 Post by **Conmee** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:23 pm

Ian, my friend, you are definitely not the subtle type... and let's bear in mind, that for SOME members, their ThinkPad IS their boyfriend/girlfriend/pet... every nuance about the ThinkPad counts! lmao

Jonathan,

So long as the T Series continues to incorporate some sort of composite material in the cover and case (titanium, magnesium, etc), the material will be superior to the ABS plastics used in the R Series and by most notebook manufacturers. If you check the TABOOK.PDF at this link (you'll need to scroll down about 2/3 of the page under Personal Systems Reference, http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/relate ... e&cntry=US , you will be able to look up your model and check its construction and specs. Based on what I see, the T41p 2373 models have the superior materials you expected. And based on your particular model, (I believe the final G in your model designates a German model), it is essentially the same model as the 2373-GGU which is the US version. Hope this helps.

Daniel

ian · #9 Post by **ian** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:58 pm

Conmee wrote:Ian, my friend, you are definitely not the subtle type...

Who me?

Steve007 · #10 Post by **Steve007** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:16 pm

ian wrote:
Jonathan Cordery wrote:Does anyone know whether or not my T41p 2373-GGG has any titanium in its construction, either the lid or the base? Before I bought this laptop I assumed that all T series laptops did, but since browsing this forum I have found out that this isn´t necessarily so.
A question or three - does the fact that it does or doesn't have titanium in it's construction make you love it less? Does the fact that the keys aren't gold-plated make your typing better or worse? Are your easily influenced by the numerous people here who appear to be smoking their own socks and who regularly come out with certifiably stupid comments regarding the fact that the thinklight is placed 13.5 millimeters more to the left?

Does your stupid patronising post answer the guy's original question?

He's entitled to ask such a question without people jumping down his throat. It was hardly nonsensical!

People should be able to ask sensible questions and get sensible answers as most of us on here are decent people. Let's stop the snide remarks eh?

#11 Post by **JaneL** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:51 pm

>your right! but.... perhaps a little harsh, esp. to a new (6 day old) member.... and you don't even have snow to deal with! (you lose 58 brownie points) :-)
>

But he drove a UNO so he gains 59 brownie points! <g>

sugo · #12 Post by **sugo** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:02 am

I don't really care about titanium ... only wish a thicker gauge magnesium sheet is used for the LCD cover.

ian · #13 Post by **ian** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:15 am

Steve007 wrote:
Does your stupid patronising post answer the guy's original question?

He's entitled to ask such a question without people jumping down his throat. It was hardly nonsensical!

People should be able to ask sensible questions and get sensible answers as most of us on here are decent people. Let's stop the snide remarks eh?

Does the fact that you've just got a job with IBM and now you know everything entitle you to anything? Not really...
Lighten up - the forum existed before your arrival - no doubt it'll exist long after your departure.

Torque · #14 Post by **Torque** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:22 am

ian wrote:
Steve007 wrote:
Does your stupid patronising post answer the guy's original question?

He's entitled to ask such a question without people jumping down his throat. It was hardly nonsensical!

People should be able to ask sensible questions and get sensible answers as most of us on here are decent people. Let's stop the snide remarks eh?
Does the fact that you've just got a job with IBM and now you know everything entitle you to anything? Not really...
Lighten up - the forum existed before your arrival - no doubt it'll exist long after your departure.

Err, what?
If you don't like the topic, then just sod off to the next thread instead of wasting thread space here.

Topic:
Yes, the T41 does have a titanium frame. This helps decrease the weight of the thinkpad, and is also alot stronger than aluminium, which is the closest metal or alloy, with that weight ratio. Sadly, titanium is very expensive - but this justifies the higher pricetag on the TP - amongst others.

So the build materials DO matter. If IBM built the frame out of steel plating or aluminium, it would be alot heavier. This certainly makes the TP superior to other notebooks.

Leon · #15 Post by **Leon** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:30 am

PLEASE! Truce/end to this. The urge to reply can be irresistible, and we all have our off days. Let ME apologize on behalf of anything offensive that may have been said on this thread---- now, lets let it pass. Each and every one who has and continues to contribute to this forum are greatly appreciated by me and countless others.

Now let's get back to the task of enjoying & improving our Thinkpads!

Conmee · #16 Post by **Conmee** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:02 pm

Leon,

Looking back over this thread I'd have to say you are the MAIN reason it got outta hand... lol your remark about the snow was overboard... hey, you might have snow, but I have snow AND Detroit.... and no, I don't get to ride around in the Mayor's new Navigator... now sod off! ;> lol

Daniel.

Leon · #17 Post by **Leon** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:18 pm

I accept full responsibility..... my previous post stands!

ehd · #18 Post by **ehd** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:27 pm

well people made a big deal about the powerbooks being 'titanium' i think its important like previously stated cause its light but its also a lot more sturdy and strong.. [censored] right i want my titanium... i care more about its functional value then its umm monetary value?... i guess .. whatever. good [censored]. i think when people say thinkpads are great they should make sure people dont buy the G and the R series.. i think its the titanium that makes it great.. i see wobbly lcds all the time when people type on campus.. thats sad.

JHanko · #19 Post by **JHanko** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:38 pm

Johnathan,
The T-Series cases are not made of titanium and magnesium. They are made of titanium and magnesium composites. What this means is that when they injection mold the plastic parts they mix in tiny, lightweight metal slivers with the plastic. These slivers strengthen the plastic and help prevent cracking/flexing without adding weight. If you hold a clean T-series case up to a light, you can see these slivers sparkle.

Jeff

Elhabash · #20 Post by **Elhabash** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:23 pm

on-topic:
Titanium is great for many applications, but a lot of times it's just used for PR reasons, because it sounds cool. Case to the point: In German commercials sometimes the word "titanium" is used instead of the German "titan", just because it sounds cooler. Also it is in many products where it doesn't make sense at all...

In a laptop, however, it can make sense, since it's strong and relatively light. If only the weight counts, I guess an Aluminum-Magnesium alloy would be best (can be quite stiff, too, but it cracks rather than flex), but I guess the IBM engineers knew what they were doing.

off-topic:

and you don't even have snow to deal with!

Do you imply snow is a bad thing? I've been hoping for snow the whole winter, and am the happiest kid in town now that it finally arrived!

Daver · #21 Post by **Daver** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:52 pm

sugo wrote:... only wish a thicker gauge magnesium sheet is used for the LCD cover.

Ain't that the truth

-Daver

Jonathan Cordery · #22 Post by **Jonathan Cordery** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:10 pm

OUCH!

Will certainly think twice before I post any more questions on this forum.

Thanks to Leon, Steve007, Torque, ehd, JHanko and Elhabash though.

#23 Post by **BillMorrow** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:25 pm

Jonathan Cordery wrote:OUCH!

Will certainly think twice before I post any more questions on this forum.

Thanks to Leon, Steve007, Torque, ehd, JHanko and Elhabash though.

jonathan..

please excuse our insane wit..

uhmm, their insane and sometimes sharp wit..
to quote cher: "words are like weapons", they can sting those with no titanium in their skin..

so don't let these guys run you off..

you are welcome and welcome to post and ask good, bad or silly questions..

the titanium question was fair and got a fair response..

Leon · #24 Post by **Leon** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:10 pm

Elhabash wrote:on-topic:

off-topic:
and you don't even have snow to deal with!
Do you imply snow is a bad thing? I've been hoping for snow the whole winter, and am the happiest kid in town now that it finally arrived!

In the city, yes, that is what I implied.....

Conmee · #25 Post by **Conmee** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:59 pm

Jonathan Cordery wrote:Thanks to Leon, Steve007, Torque, ehd, JHanko and Elhabash though.

Geez, Jonathan... and I was one of the first people to answer your question... I will certainly think twice before answering any first-timer posts on this forum... lol

Daniel.

Jonathan Cordery · #26 Post by **Jonathan Cordery** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:34 am

Sorry Conmee, didn't see you on the list there. Thank you to you as well.

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