T40 died, T43 from ebay to replace. No HDD recognition

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branflake12 · #1 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:59 pm

Hey guys and gals, new around these parts.
I had my old faithful T40 that I got off lease die on me. The Mobo needs a reflow I beleive, but im not up to the task so i bought a used T43 on ebay with no battery, HDD or optical. I loaded in my battery, HDD which was fully functional with XP, and CD drive. Booted right up to bios, but says no OS detected. GOt the boot order and got the CD to recognize xp OS disc, but the setup says no hard drive detected. On the boot order on the bottom in "excluded from boot order" is an IDE HDD2 (my HDD?) and a ATPI CDROM1. I cant figure out how to enable them, it looks like i press "X" but it just beeps.

I was hoping to just drop in my T40 HDD and boot up like nothing happened. I also hoped hitting the Acess IBM button would enable me to wipe it back to factory...but that is apparantly I need the HDD to be recognized to do so. What else can i do?

Thanks everybody.

#2 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:13 pm

Flip the drive over and insert it correctly.

craigmontHunter · #3 Post by **craigmontHunter** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:16 pm

Welcome to the forum!

to start off, IDE HDD1 is actually the second IDE channel, IDE HDD0 is the one you want to boot from. Because of the wierd Sata-IDE bridge in the T43, which I do not know much about, it is possible that you will not be able to use the old HDD without a format. Make sure that it is put in the right way around (with the label facing down), that it is pushed in all the way, and that no pins are bent. Acess IBM uses recovery information on the hard drive, so you need access to the hard drive to use it. The t40 and t43 use diffrent HALs, so the older t40 recovery system may(probably) will not work. If you can get the hard drive recognized, I would reccomend buying a external HDD case, plugging the old HDD into that and backing it up, making sure to the the I386 folder on the Hard drive so you can make a xp cd. Then just start from scratch and download all the new drivers and utilites from Lenovo.

Good luck

#4 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm

Welcome to thinkpads.com!

The hardware differences between the T41 and T43 may preclude the OS from fully working (well, it least without some major re-scanning of the hardware and gnashing of drivers or a BSOD). In any event, the drive does not seem to be registering as it should be HDD0 in the BIOS. You can only enable the drive if it's "seen" by the BIOS. The T43 is a little bit sensitive as to the hard drive it works with. Plugging in a "non-approved" drive can lead to a BIOS error warning but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Do you have another (blank) drive that you can plug into the T43? Also, you could try re-loading the BIOS default setup by going to the main BIOS screen, selecting "Restart" then "Load setup defaults".

branflake12 · #5 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:35 pm

loaded defaults, label is (was) facing down just as it was in the T40. All that is bad news, lol. THe HDD has everything I need backed up already, so Im ok with wiping it. when I boot it up, I get a "broad com failure to detect media, check cable" message. Pins on the HDD all straight and true. Anybody need a somewhat working T40 or a questionable T43?

#6 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:42 pm

Try this, put the drive in a USB enclosure and run activekilldisk on it. Try it in the T43 again. This will completely erase the drive.
http://www.killdisk.com/

craigmontHunter · #7 Post by **craigmontHunter** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:52 pm

The broadcom media test would be the network cable. If you do not need to boot from network, I would reccomend disabling booting from everything that you don't need. This way if there is a problem it will not check all of them.

branflake12 · #8 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:54 pm

can the kill disk run on a USB mounted drive from another windows computer without hurting the stable PC? Seems like if the BIOS doesnt recognize the drive at all, it probably wont do so, regardless of contents. Should have done more homework.

#9 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:56 pm

branflake12 wrote:can the kill disk run on a USB mounted drive from another windows computer without hurting the stable PC?

Yes, just make sure to select the correct drive to write zero's to

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branflake12 · #10 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:22 pm

If this doesnt work, is there a list of compatible hard drives that WILL work with the T43 (factory or otherwise?) Myabe i will just start there and get the ultrabay adapter for my current drive?

#11 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm

Any 2.5" IDE (ATA6) laptop hard drive will work in a T43. Some will produce a 2010 error on boot, but they still work. ALL of them get past the point where you are stuck.

branflake12 · #12 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm

ok, newegg is my next stop. Once installed, will be able to install the factory IBM pre-OS recovery tools and such somehow?

Also, if any IDE will work...any other reason why my HDD isnt being recognized?

#13 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm

Yes, possibly it is defective, or it has a bad boot sector. Activekilldisk will fix the later issue. You'll need a recovery CD set to image the new drive to original factory condition.

branflake12 · #14 Post by **branflake12** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:33 pm

Odd that it still boots (as of now) on the T40, but Ill take the expert advice

Are there ISO's of those recovery discs out there or are they downloadable?

#15 Post by **Harryc** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm

Nope, you have to purchase them from Lenovo or post an Ad in the Marketplace forum here. EBay might be a source also. Make sure you get the exact discs for your model T43. The Intel GPU discs are different from the ATI GPU model discs....different HAL.

#16 Post by **rkawakami** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm

If the drive boots in the T40 but is not seen by the T43, then that still could mean that the T43's motherboard (really the SATA-IDE controller is kaput). If you already have another drive laying around, I'd try that; in other words, don't spend some money if a possible resolution can be made for free.

branflake12 · #17 Post by **branflake12** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:58 am

If the IDE controller is shot, what are my options?

I put the functioning T40 drive in an enclosure last night and USB to the T43. DIdnt get a "no OS" error, but all i got was a black screen with a flashing underscore in the corner. It also had a "+" symbol next to "USB HDD" in the bios boot setup. Thoughts?

#18 Post by **rkawakami** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:48 pm

I'd try running PC Doctor for DOS on the system and see if it turns anything up. I believe that none of the Fixed Disk tests will run if there's no drive installed/detected but give it a shot anyway (with and without a drive installed). Since it seems like your system will boot from the CD, then it should also boot from a floppy. Therefore, it should be possible to update both the BIOS and Embedded Controller. Can't say that will definitely fix the system, but at this point, it probably can't hurt the T43 any more; unless you plan on using the T43 by running Linux off a live cd

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Be careful which BIOS/EC package you use: the T43 has two different versions depending on the system type:

For 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1876:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-59380 (BIOS Diskette)
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-59440 (EC Diskette)

For 2668, 2669, 2678, 2679, 2686, 2687:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-59097 (BIOS Diskette)
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-59121 (EC Diskette)

ref: PC Doctor for DOS (T43) http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-56222

branflake12 · #19 Post by **branflake12** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:59 pm

Best/easiest way to get a DOS boot disk? Its been so long since i typed a dos command...I think it may have been the command to run the orginal x-wing game on my Acer back in 96...

#20 Post by **rkawakami** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:01 pm

The PC Doctor for DOS program is available as an .ISO image so you can simply make the CD and boot the system. From there it's a simple process of "point-and-click" or use the arrow buttons and Enter key. No DOS knowledge is required

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edit: I make the distinction for the "DOS" version since PC Doctor is also available for Windows. However, you would need to boot Windows in order to get to it. It's also available in the hidden partition (if it's still there), but again, you need a system which can recognize the hard drive.

branflake12 · #21 Post by **branflake12** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:10 pm

Now i feel even goofier...where can I find the ISO?

#22 Post by **rkawakami** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:20 pm

I referenced the IBM page in my previous post:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-56222

Click on the 1ety47ww.exe link and a pop-up window should appear. Click on "I Agree" and that should begin the download. You will need a CD burning program which handles .ISO files; you can't simply copy the file onto a blank CD.

edit: I should also clarify that once you have download the .EXE file, you have to execute it. That will then create the .ISO file you need to burn.

killer · #23 Post by **killer** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:59 pm

It all may appear as clear as custard, but Ray's instructions are 100% correct and once you have burnt the disk you will have no problem.

poshgeordie · #24 Post by **poshgeordie** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:44 am

And a good / simple iso burning program is ISO Recorder. Select the version appropriate to your OS.

Using it is just a few clicks and unlike some of the well known CD burning programs you don't have to make a lot of settings changes.

Also burn the ISO nice and slow.

branflake12 · #25 Post by **branflake12** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:03 pm

Alright, PC doc boot disc created, and booted to from the T43. Not sure which tests to run to check the IDE controller, but I ran several and everything passed. Put HDD in. It still recognizes fine on this machine, could copy files over using an enclosure just fine. Nothing shows up under "hardware info" on physical disks, just the note at the bottom.

"Logical Disks" shows C: and D: with sizes of 19984KB 7288KB free and all other identical values. odd that C: is showing the same as D:?

Under the diagnostics heading, i ran "fixed disks" and it ran all 47 system tests. On that test menu, nothing is listed under drive type or number of total sectors.

Edit: Under "utility" i ran "surface scan HDD" and got a no HDD detected error. fun. I cant even hear the HDD spin up when the PC is powered on, feel it spin or anything. Is there a BIOS setting that could disable the HDD dock/port?

ajkula66 · #26 Post by **ajkula66** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:14 pm

Go into BIOS, press F9 to set defaults then F10 to save and exit.

Reboot the machine and enter the BIOS again, go into Startup>Boot. Click on "boot". Is your HD listed there?

branflake12 · #27 Post by **branflake12** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:53 am

Done, no difference. Just shows "IDE00"...nothing after that. I am getting a used IDE drive at work Tuesday to see if I can see if its either the drive or the board. Im about out of ideas on this guy.

branflake12 · #28 Post by **branflake12** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:13 am

Got an old HDD from work, and reset all the settings to default and i got a 2010 error, meaning the drive is detected at least? The drive appears to have a windows install on it, but all i got after the 2010 error was a black screen, flashing cursor. Ideas?

mpcook · #29 Post by **mpcook** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:33 am

branflake12 wrote:Got an old HDD from work, and reset all the settings to default and i got a 2010 error, meaning the drive is detected at least? The drive appears to have a windows install on it, but all i got after the 2010 error was a black screen, flashing cursor. Ideas?

From what machine did this old HDD come from? If it's not a T43 then it's not surprising you could not boot all the way into Windows. If it's not a Thinkpad then even less surprising. A silly suggestion but I have at times had similar problems (drive not detected) due to a drive not being inserted exactly carefully correctly and snugly. Your T40 drive in the T43 should at the least get a 2010 error and boot at least part way.

Mike

branflake12 · #30 Post by **branflake12** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:08 am

The drive from work detected in the enclosure on a Dell running XP. Its a 40GB tavelstar out of an old HP. in the T43 it gave me the 2010 ONCE and not again, just "no OS". THe t40 drive gives me nothing, moved the jumpers all around, nada. Havent Kill-disked it yet, and i am done Killing the old HP drive to see if that helps. Then I may do mine. Just for giggles, i slapped the T40 drive back in its old home last night and it booted up (while pressing down on the board), so i have to think the drive it self and its pins are alright.

T40 died, T43 from ebay to replace. No HDD recognition

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