No Backlight After LCD Replacement

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No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#1 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:51 pm

I have replaced the LCD in my T40 with a known working LCD from a T41. I can see the video on the LCD, it is just not backlit. Is there something I should check?
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#2 Post by Harryc » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:57 pm

Did you replace just the panels or did you replace the entire lid assemblies with cables, inverters, etc intact? What was the screen resolution of the T40? T41?

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#3 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:59 pm

I replaced the whole assembly, cables and all. In fact, the assembly arrived as one unit - I just dropped it in. It's an XGA display.
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#4 Post by Harryc » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:00 pm

Did you see it working?

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#5 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:07 pm

No, but it came from a reputable member ( a mod).
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#6 Post by Harryc » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 pm

Well, I'll let that mod work with you then. There is no reason it shouldn't work if you replaced the entire assembly. Try reseating the LCD connector.
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#7 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:35 pm

Sure, will do. If I may, has a lack of backlighting ever been observed as a symptom of a bad GPU? I'd like to rule out my options...
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#8 Post by Harryc » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:22 pm

Well, let me ask you this... What was the problem with the T40?

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#9 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:51 pm

It started when the backlight went off and would not come on after rebooting the machine.

I tried replacing the inverter - that did nothing.

I picked up a couple CCFLs and soldered them: no luck (though I admit I am not very good with a soldering iron).

Now, I have tried replacing the LCD, only to find nothing at all.

It outputs to an external monitor quite well, it's just the stupid backlighting. Could it be a power issue? Is it possible that somehow the CCFL is not getting enough power from the motherboard? I would normally think that it's the backlight, but I'm starting to wonder...
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#10 Post by Harryc » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:53 pm

I think you might have blown a fuse on the systemboard. There are a couple dedicated to the LCD. Do a forum search for posts by a member named poshgeordie. There is a link in his sig to fuse locations. You'll need a multimeter for continuity testing.

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#11 Post by ajkula66 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:59 pm

I'd go with Harry's theory about a fuse being blown...however, if that is not the case, then you do have a GPU problem, because signal outputs to LCD and external monitor are separate, and one can work perfectly well while the other is shot...

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#12 Post by poshgeordie » Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:05 am

You'll need to check fuse F7 which can cause symptom you describe.

The document HarryC's referring to is T40 Fuses.

I've found a source for the fuse in single units in the US and it's here from Allied.

Please note though that the part number is slightly different to Shurter's data sheet and the one I suggest but will work OK (I'm going to do a complete overhaul of this document, so will also sort out this difference at the same time).

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#13 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:45 pm

I opened my T40 up tonight and tested the fuses located on the upper left-hand corner of the motherboard, where the LCD video cable attaches to it. Indeed, fuse F7 is blown. I guess I'll be ordering some fuses.

Anyone have any good tutorials on surface-mount soldering?
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#14 Post by poshgeordie » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:32 am

This YouTube video explains it well - the first part shows how to solder a surface mount resistor so is relevant to you. Also towards the end he shows how to remove the resistor.

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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#15 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:47 am

If there is room enough, I would solder it piggy-back style over the old one.
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Re: No Backlight After LCD Replacement

#16 Post by The Spirit of X21 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:59 pm

I just soldered the new fuse on. The unit now powers up for 5 seconds and powers off. This behavior can be repeated by removing the battery and AC adapter, then plugging in the AC and turning the unit on.

I ran a check with the multimeter, and it appears that fuse F??a (500mA) is blown.

Sigh...
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