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Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:20 am
by Cola
Bought a T520i roughly a month ago. It was specced with an Intel Core i3-2350M running at 2.3GHz with its two cores. It does feature HyperThreading, but no Turboboost. The laptop had 4 gigs of DDR3 RAM running at 1066MHz. Sporting an onboard graphics chip and a 1600x900 230 NIT display to keep the eyes happy and a 320GB Harddrive. Condition is great overall, nice tight hinges, no bald spots on either palmrest or keyboard. The build quality seems slightly worse than on my previous T410, as the T520i has a plastic case, while the previous version was a metal case.

Anyway, here's a picture of it:
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I quickly got the thought that I wanted a bit more power, as I use the laptop for CAD work with AutoCAD and Revit, but also other heavy programs such as Photoshop and Sony Vegas. I started looking for the price of a new CPU, but they were all in the $100 dollar range here, which I thought was too much, considering I only paid around $320 for the T520i. A friend of mine told me that the screen of his Dell laptop had gone bust, so after an insurance claim and a new laptop, he sold me his old Dell XPS L502x for a mere $80. Sporting an Intel Core i7-2630QM running at 2GHz with all four cores, this was an ideal solution for my problem. Furthermore, the Dell had 6GB of RAM, a 500GB Hard drive and an Nvidia GT540M, so should be easy to sell on once I exchanged the CPU's.

Here's a picture of the Dell, condition is fine, although used. The screen is as beforementioned, busted:
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As I began disassembling the Dell to retrieve the i7, I quickly started appreciating the ease of disassembling the Thinkpads. Here is a picture of the Dell XPS L502x next to the Thinkpad T520i once the keyboard and palmrest had been removed. As you can see, I still have to get through another layer to get to the CPU on the Dell, while on the Lenovo I simply had to remove the heatsink:
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After disassembling both laptops until I got down to the CPU (note: The Dell required me to actually remove then entire display assembly just to get to the CPU!), I cleaned off all the old solidified cooling paste from both CPU's and heatsinks. - I used turpentine to initially loosen it, then moved on to ordinary household spirit to cleanse off the last of it. Finally dried it off with a dry piece of paper. Below are two pictures, first one with the solidified cooling paste on, followed by one of a cleaned CPU:
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Next problem was that the heatsink of the T520i's surface was too small to actually cover the entire face of the new i7-2630QM, therefore I had to cut off some of the black plastic.
Before:
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After:
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ASAP I started assembling the T520i again, powered right up with just the keyboard connected without the surrounding bezel and palmrest, and after a quick boot into BIOS it showed up fine with no errors or anything at all :D :thumbs-UP::
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Afterwards I put the rest of it back together and replaced the 2x2GB RAM with a faster set of 2x4GB 1333MHz DDR3 RAM I had, and I also installed my 120GB OCZ SSD in it to make it noticably faster. It runs very fine and stable with good temperatures on the standard heatsink with Arctic Cooling Silver 5 cooling paste on the CPU. Around 40-45ºC in idle, and peaks at 80ºC while at Full load for 30 mins in Prime95. Never gets over 76ºC on all four cores, so I am very happy with the standard cooling solution in this laptop, even though I discovered that the rear exhaust vent is actually blocked by a piece of plastic in the i-version of the T520.

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So, what I have now, is a T520-not-so-i. The only valuable upgrades left being a Full HD 270 NIT display and the NVS 4200 graphics card, although it would hardly be worth it for me, as I would then need a completely different motherboard too. But this laptop with maxed out RAM and a lightning fast SSD is certainly not anymore a low-end budget Thinkpad!



Thank you for reading, I hope you enjoyed as much as I did while both performing this upgrade and writing this thread. :)

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:55 am
by dr_st
Lovely upgrade, and thank you for the thorough write-up and picture documentation. :bow:
Cola wrote:Next problem was that the heatsink of the T520i's surface was too small to actually cover the entire face of the new i7-2630QM, therefore I had to cut off some of the black plastic.
Fascinating that it actually comes with a full-size copper heatsink, only one that's concealed by a plastic layer. I would imagine one would have to get a whole different heatsink for a quad-code. Good to know that isn't so.
Cola wrote:I am very happy with the standard cooling solution in this laptop, even though I discovered that the rear exhaust vent is actually blocked by a piece of plastic in the i-version of the T520.
Is it blocked internally, or is the chassis itself different? And can it be unblocked without an ugly break?

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:32 pm
by Cola
dr_st wrote:Lovely upgrade, and thank you for the thorough write-up and picture documentation. :bow:
Cola wrote:I am very happy with the standard cooling solution in this laptop, even though I discovered that the rear exhaust vent is actually blocked by a piece of plastic in the i-version of the T520.
Is it blocked internally, or is the chassis itself different? And can it be unblocked without an ugly break?
You're welcome! :-)

Actually, if you take a close look at this picture; Only the large of the two black things on the fan is actually a heatsink. The other smaller piece is merely a piece of plastic for blocking the rear vent.
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Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:01 pm
by axur-delmeria
Actually, if you take a close look at this picture; Only the large of the two black things on the fan is actually a heatsink. The other smaller piece is merely a piece of plastic for blocking the rear vent.
The HMM lists two heatsinks for the T520: one for integrated graphics, and the other for discrete graphics.

The blocked vent is where the cooling fins of the GPU heatsink would be.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:38 am
by Cola
axur-delmeria wrote:
Actually, if you take a close look at this picture; Only the large of the two black things on the fan is actually a heatsink. The other smaller piece is merely a piece of plastic for blocking the rear vent.
The HMM lists two heatsinks for the T520: one for integrated graphics, and the other for discrete graphics.

The blocked vent is where the cooling fins of the GPU heatsink would be.

Oh okay, that makes sense. Would be amazing to be able to use both vents for just the CPU though. Of course one of them is already capable of keeping the heat build up down, but would still be pretty cool. I'd like to see how it runs with the i7-2860QM or one of the i7-29X0XM's.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:02 pm
by oeuvre
I hate how on some Dell and HP laptops, the palmrest is just one giant piece and is such a PITA to remove.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:08 am
by dr_st
Palmrest/bezel is one piece on some Thinkpads as well (X3x, and 15" T4x, for instance). Whether it's a PITA to remove, in comparison, I'm not sure.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:19 am
by axur-delmeria
Palmrest/bezel is one piece on some Thinkpads as well
X60/61 non-tablet models too.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:43 am
by Cola
Even worse is when the huge bezel/palmrest all-in-one panel is also connected via a ZIF type connector like the one seen here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... nd_FFC.jpg

I loved the T6x and x500 models, as well as the T4x-series, where there was two parts: The palmrest, connected with a normal connector on the motherboard, and the keyboard bezel, just there for the looks. Was so much easier, and not so flimsy!

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:56 am
by shavo
Hi, I'm going to do similar upgrade these days - changing my i5 2520m with i7 2630qm on my T420. The only thing that boders me is the power adapter - I have two 65W, did you buy a 90W or 135W or everything works fine with the 65W? Thanks !

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:20 am
by dr_st
I wouldn't run a Quad-core CPU on a 65W brick. 90W at least, 135W preferred (otherwise it may throttle at times).

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:40 am
by JohnD.
I agree with dr_st that I would use a 135 W power adapter. I know we are talking about a T520 but on my T530 with i7 Quad, it came with a 135 W power adapter.

Good luck,
John

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:32 pm
by shavo
It's done. Everything OK but the power supply - new one arriving tomorrow. Cheers ! :)

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Edit : with the 90W brick works just fine. Meanwhile I sold the old CPU with my 4GB RAM, so I had to buy another 8GB - it's 16GB now and is a real beast ! :twisted:

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:35 pm
by makaveli559m
Wow that is awesome! I wonder has anyone tried that with a W520 with an i7 dual core to quad core? I was reading that it was not possible.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 9:28 am
by DaKKS
I can confirm that a 65w brick works poorly with a quad. Just upgraded my thinkpad edge with a i7-3610QM, and it wont even charge if i'm in high power mode. Below that, it works but gets hot.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 2:49 am
by Cola
I use a 65W and a 90W, both works and charges it fine, and it does not throttle.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:07 am
by Saucey
Nice write up and photos! :thumbs-UP:

I came across a T510 that had a blocked rear vent as well.
Guess it's an integrated graphics thing, perhaps it sucks air better?

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:22 pm
by DaKKS
Cola wrote:I use a 65W and a 90W, both works and charges it fine, and it does not throttle.
I knew i should've chosen the 3612QM. Mine throttles like a bugger and refuses to charge. There was a reason the 35 watt i7-3612qm is more common than the 45 watt i7-3610qm... Recon the 3610 is just barely over what it can take.

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:04 pm
by Cola
Saucey wrote:Nice write up and photos! :thumbs-UP:

I came across a T510 that had a blocked rear vent as well.
Guess it's an integrated graphics thing, perhaps it sucks air better?
Thank you very much!
Yes, I was keen to learn more about the blocked rear vent right after performing this hardware modification, but I never really did anything to it. It would be very interesting however, to try out what changes to the temperatures of the CPU removing the blockade would do.
DaKKS wrote:I knew i should've chosen the 3612QM. Mine throttles like a bugger and refuses to charge. There was a reason the 35 watt i7-3612qm is more common than the 45 watt i7-3610qm... Recon the 3610 is just barely over what it can take.
How is your temperatures? A 90W charger should be more than enough to power both the i7-3610QM and the i7-3612QM, unless you have a dedicated graphics card, then you might need to step up to a 120W instead!

Re: Upgrading a T520-not-so-i with an Intel Core i7 *PICS*

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 8:06 pm
by hhhd1
I have few questions :)

Did you test with a new prime version that suppot AVX instructions ?

How much WATT usage does the processor can actually sustain before it throttles ?

In my T520, my dual core (with integrated GFX) can barely sustain 35~38w with temps about under 90c, sometimes it shoots to 42watts.

Quad core should be able to draw up to 45w , with turboboost should go even higher. .... how is your setup handling high processor power consumption ?

you may need prime with avx support + furmark stress test, running at the same time, to see CPU package power reaching their maximum allowed by temperature.


Would be nice if you can post a screen shot of HWinfo64 sensor status , after running stress test for CPU and GPU for ~15 minutes.