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Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#1 Post by Zender » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:01 pm

There seems to be a problem searching for individual machine types - try searching for

T43 something

And you'll be informed that "T43" has been ignored for you. Searching for only T43 results in more descriptive error message. Unfortunately I cannot provide any clues how to change that. I hope it's not supposed to be that way.
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#2 Post by JaneL » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:07 pm

Until we can figure that out, try using Google. Enter your search term like this:

site:forum.thinkpads.com enter search terms
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#3 Post by Zender » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:18 pm

Thanks, I had actually done that.
In phpBB3 there is a "common word threshold" that the administrator can set. I think by default it is 5% so that if a word is included in 5% or more of all posts then it is not included. It is possible to set it to 0% to disable it.
This might help with the local search.
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#4 Post by JaneL » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:20 pm

Try it now.
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#5 Post by Zender » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:29 pm

Unfortunately not. More to quote found.
If you make those changes you will need to use the
adminCP > maintenance > Search Index
then use that to delete and rebuild the index.

Be aware that on a large forum the rebuilding of a search index can take a long time.
Though I second the warning, it _will_ take a lot of time.
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#6 Post by basketb » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:09 pm

JaneL wrote:Until we can figure that out, try using Google. Enter your search term like this:

site:forum.thinkpads.com enter search terms
Does anyone know how I can search for "battery" in the (title of the) marketplace forum threads only?

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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#7 Post by Zender » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:20 pm

Try "batter*"
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#8 Post by basketb » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:52 pm

Zender wrote:Try "batter*"
good one. That seems to do the trick and actually also finds "batteries" :) .

Edit: there is probably something wrong with the index as the search indeed finds many threads but not all threads with "battery" or "batteries" in the title.

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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#9 Post by dozer » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:43 pm

This forum-software, while generally excellent, and of course very commonly used, has some really unfriendly search-behaviour defaults.

You may be experiencing only the 'common word' barrier, but you may also be running into the 'character-count' error.

It's amazing how many forums are set to prevent searching on 3-letter items, when half the items in the world are indeed identified by 3 letters!

IBM, as an example... :P

I find this irritating to no end with model#'s (T43), process acronyms (TIG, on a welding forum), etc., etc..

This is a default-setting which really should be turned off / set to zero, until and unless the board-admin sees a problem directly due to searching on 3-letter (and/or common) terms.

These 'search unfriendly' defaults are especially ironic considering how MANY posts urge a questioner to 'search first!'. :lol:

imho, anything that allows and encourages -more- searching is perhaps a 'good thing', even if it is at the cost of a bit of server-load.
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#10 Post by t140568 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:19 am

JaneL wrote:Until we can figure that out, try using Google. Enter your search term like this:

site:forum.thinkpads.com enter search terms
This is a VERY neat trick! Thank you 100x over!
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Re: Searching has unwanted "stop words"

#11 Post by dozer » Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:02 pm

I just tried a search (which failed) that reminded me of this thread....perfect example of why the 'character count' limit should be shut off.....

I'm interested in running a low-voltage CPU in my T60p, if it's possible.....for which people commonly use 'LV' when typing a post.

My terms were: +LV +cpu +t60

The bb-software rejected the LV....and, as one might expect, gave me 801 hits on cpu/t60... :mrgreen:

I'll go use google adv-search, but thought I'd post this as a good real-world example. :)

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