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T23 LCD Bezel need

#1 Post by blackop » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:12 pm

Hi,

unfortunately i cracked lcd bezel of my T23 at 2 corners where hinges locate. it seems in time plastics are being deformed.. i am looking for replacement but i cant find anywhere.. is there a place to get it with international shipping option?
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#2 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:33 pm

Maybe it's a bit better if you try superglue it first from the INSIDE and see how you like it.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#3 Post by blackop » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:59 pm

i tried epoxy glue didnt fix it, then tried super glue from inside didnt fix it, then i applied super glue both inside and outside, hardly put together then applied a kind of tape. but they tapes look ugly..

what i hate on thinkpads are poor plastic parts that are easily getting broken. bad plastic parts design lets say. i couldnt count how many times i broke lcd bezels while disassembling-reassembling lcd panels.. whenever i open inside something is getting broken. i am really fed up about this.
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#4 Post by RealBlackStuff » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:50 am

If your signature-collection is what you really have, then maybe you should be a bit less rough when you open those up?
Because all those models are/were a lot sturdier than what is coming out nowadays, and if you follow the HMM there shouldn't be any problems!

Also, the T23 has at least 5 different LCD-bezels (plus a never-yet-seen xxK bezel):
- 13.3"
- 14.1" XGA
- 14.1" XGA with wifi
- 14.1" SXGA+
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#5 Post by blackop » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:41 am

What do you understand from this schematics?

https://ibb.co/mXq794F

Unscrew the screws and pull out the bezel :)

I am being very careful with my thinkpads but i dont agree they are really sturdy. I have x20 which bezel is too fragile as ice glass. When i touch it breaks. Probably in time they are deforming and plastics getting fragile.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#6 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:22 am

Well I learnt hard lessons from taking off a A3x bezel. Those require you to clip the clips back in at a very specific angle for them to latch when assembling, but at least they are stronger than T2x bezels.
I have a T23 and a T22, both came with cracked bezels. One is in 2 pieces the other is in 3.
ThinkPads do use very good plastics, but unfortunately in this case the bezel plastics they've used are just way too thin (and they take a lot of stress when you press down on the lid when it's closed).
But overall as a package though this thing is more study feeling than something like a Dell Latitude C6xx and a C8xx. I have a C600 and a C840 and the C840 I have to fix the frame at a number of spots. The bezel is all good though. But the C600 makes up for it by using thicker plastics and when new it was much more rugged feeling, though they can flex quite a bit.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#7 Post by blackop » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:19 pm

i wish it was possible to print them 3d with better material or similar way. did anyone try 3d printing thinkpad parts?
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#8 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:00 am

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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#9 Post by blackop » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:42 am

I dont have knowledge about 3d modelling and printing. I see only few people are interested about the idea. It is annoying really i got my t23 motherboard back to life by resoldering components but poor plastic parts are killing these perfect machines..
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#10 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:04 pm

blackop wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:42 am
I dont have knowledge about 3d modelling and printing. I see only few people are interested about the idea. It is annoying really i got my t23 motherboard back to life by resoldering components but poor plastic parts are killing these perfect machines..
What did you do to bring your T23 motherboard to life? loose components?
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#11 Post by blackop » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:27 pm

kfzhu1229, i resoldered loose components which is common issue with T23
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#12 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm

Usually one or both of the inductors on the bottom of the T23 motherboard has fallen off or developed a bad connection.
They are square grey 'blobs' with a round 'ring' on them, ca. 1x1 cm.
The solution there: take them off, scrape the corrosion off and resolder them back on.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#13 Post by kfzhu1229 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:41 pm

blackop wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:27 pm
kfzhu1229, i resoldered loose components which is common issue with T23
Ah I see. I have heard of others having this issue but I do not have this issue on my T23 nor on the A30, and nor do I have the ADP3421 issue on the T22 (all came from the same batch as retired laptops from our secondary school years ago, saved them from going to scrap because the school board see no value in these old ThinkPads)
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#14 Post by blackop » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 pm

effected components are :

https://thinkwiki.de/T23_Spulenbilder
and
https://www.ozzu.com/hardware/ibm-think ... 55332.html

by the way i realised my T42 lcd bezel (bezel actually belongs to a T40 but mainboard is T42) also cracked at bottom right corner where the screw locates at hinge side.. i was being really gentle to T42 because i am aware of gpu desoldering issue because of flexing.. i wonder how the bezels crack on their own..
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#15 Post by kfzhu1229 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:58 pm

blackop wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 pm
by the way i realised my T42 lcd bezel (bezel actually belongs to a T40 but mainboard is T42) also cracked at bottom right corner where the screw locates at hinge side.. i was being really gentle to T42 because i am aware of gpu desoldering issue because of flexing.. i wonder how the bezels crack on their own..
On the 14.1" T4x devices I believe the pressure comes from the hinges and the fact that the bezels on 14.1" T4x are just too thin. Dell for example on their comparable device used plastics of double the thickness (albeit lower grade plastics) as seen on the D600 and D610. You can't blame IBM though because the 14.1" T4x devices were truly some of the thinnest 14.1" business class laptops back in the day.
At like that lower portion right above the screw hole is where the hinge assembly as well as the lid bends the most. Right above it is the display and beneath that area have thicker metal.
I have a T43 with the lid cracked at that area and that's just a nightmare to deal with and I end up having the entire assembly replaced because the hinge snapped eventually as well.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#16 Post by blackop » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:06 pm

kfzhu1229, not right place to talk about T4x series but which model isnt effected by GPU desoldering issue in T4x models? i had 2 T41s but i had freezing issue both of them which is said to be sign of desoldering issue. i am happy with my T42 so far but i worrry if that happens to it too. how about T43? i consider to get T43 because it has better better performance as i heard. or what do you think T42 vs T43? ( i mean 14.1")

btw i dont have any 15" classic ibm thinkpad, i also consider 15" T4x or R5x model but not sure if it worths or not..
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#17 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:09 am

blackop wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:06 pm
kfzhu1229, not right place to talk about T4x series but which model isnt effected by GPU desoldering issue in T4x models? i had 2 T41s but i had freezing issue both of them which is said to be sign of desoldering issue. i am happy with my T42 so far but i worrry if that happens to it too. how about T43? i consider to get T43 because it has better better performance as i heard. or what do you think T42 vs T43? ( i mean 14.1")

btw i dont have any 15" classic ibm thinkpad, i also consider 15" T4x or R5x model but not sure if it worths or not..
Well I own T41, T42 and T43 (latter in both 14.1" and 15").
I can tell you the T41 and T42 certainly suffer from the GPU failure. None of them have escape unless you plant them in a R5x chassis which is a lot more rigid. I have brought a T42 back to life by putting it in oven. 375F for 8 minutes. Remove all stickers and films and components.
T43 and T43p all suffer from southbridge failure. I daily driven a T43p for like 3 years before the motherboard failed. I have made sure the southbridge doesn't overheat by putting copper pipes to dissipate heat to the PC cage but the GPU failed instead. I did do a hella lot of abuse on it though for 3 years as I lugged it to school on a weekday basis.
I had enough with the play-doe chassis flex and cracking palmrests of the T4x (14.1" and 15" all flex) and went for a Latitude D830 for a daily driver. Picked that specifically for magnesium bottom cover so zero flex there.
You can have ThinkPad R5x units as they are mostly non-affected in terms of these mobo failures due to their thicker chassis, but from my experience with R51 I feel like the design on those things just make them feel much cheaper. At that point you might as well get something like a Latitude D610 or D810 which does not have this desoldering problem whatsoever despite them being thicker and feels cheaper than T4x.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#18 Post by dr_st » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:26 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:09 am
Well I own T41, T42 and T43 (latter in both 14.1" and 15").
I can tell you the T41 and T42 certainly suffer from the GPU failure. None of them have escape unless you plant them in a R5x chassis which is a lot more rigid. I have brought a T42 back to life by putting it in oven. 375F for 8 minutes. Remove all stickers and films and components.
T43 and T43p all suffer from southbridge failure. I daily driven a T43p for like 3 years before the motherboard failed. I have made sure the southbridge doesn't overheat by putting copper pipes to dissipate heat to the PC cage but the GPU failed instead. I did do a hella lot of abuse on it though for 3 years as I lugged it to school on a weekday basis.
Late-cycle T42 units (Spring 2005 and onwards) should be more like T43 in this regard, because they have added the same epoxy around the GPU (at least on 9600 units; not sure what happened with 7500). Also, anecdotal evidence from the time suggested that 15" units are less likely to fail, I think, although it wasn't clear why.

I have such a 15" unit (the one in my sig), which has been use somewhat extensively for the first 3.5 years, quite extensively for the subsequent 2.5 years, and very little afterwards. It never experienced GPU issues, but once exhibited early sign of what could be southbridge failure (finicky USB), which went away on its own.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#19 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:03 am

dr_st wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:26 am
I have such a 15" unit (the one in my sig), which has been use somewhat extensively for the first 3.5 years, quite extensively for the subsequent 2.5 years, and very little afterwards. It never experienced GPU issues, but once exhibited early sign of what could be southbridge failure (finicky USB), which went away on its own.
Well to be fair though I think I could've gotten a lemon T43p mobo. No matter what I do the GPU runs extremely hot - 60 degrees on idle!
I am suspecting that the thermal epoxy used to glue the IHS on the GPU for that mobo has failed and I don't know how to remove such IHS without damaging the GPU.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#20 Post by blackop » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:54 pm

dr_st wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:26 am
Late-cycle T42 units (Spring 2005 and onwards) should be more like T43 in this regard, because they have added the same epoxy around the GPU (at least on 9600 units; not sure what happened with 7500). Also, anecdotal evidence from the time suggested that 15" units are less likely to fail, I think, although it wasn't clear why.
well my T42 says in the bottom label :
Type: 2373-4WG
Date: 05/03
i think it is made in March-2005? i didnt pay attention to epoxy around GPU when i disassembled
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#21 Post by blackop » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:02 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:09 am
You can have ThinkPad R5x units as they are mostly non-affected in terms of these mobo failures due to their thicker chassis, but from my experience with R51 I feel like the design on those things just make them feel much cheaper. At that point you might as well get something like a Latitude D610 or D810 which does not have this desoldering problem whatsoever despite them being thicker and feels cheaper than T4x.
i dont care that much about slim or thick chasis. actually i like ThiccPads more. Thickness suits on ThinkPads i guess that feels sturdy like a tank. i honestly dont like Thinkpads nowadays because they look too thin and fancy. i love T23 too much that could be my best thinkpad ever but LCD bezel crack makes me upset.
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#22 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:25 am

dr_st wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:26 am
Late-cycle T42 units (Spring 2005 and onwards) should be more like T43 in this regard, because they have added the same epoxy around the GPU (at least on 9600 units; not sure what happened with 7500). Also, anecdotal evidence from the time suggested that 15" units are less likely to fail, I think, although it wasn't clear why.
Well unfortunately I don't think that is true for the Radeon 7500 ones. The T42 that I have reflowed the GPU of is the Radeon 7500 version and manufactured in 2006.
In my opinion though the 14.1" and 15" fail roughly about the same. Sure the 15" technically has a bit stronger of a body, but its extra weight means the plastics has to withstand more sagging force when lifted by the corner for example. One thing for sure though is the 15" palmrest cracks much less. The 14.1" palmrest will crack near the touchpad these days even when you just take it in and out of a backpack for a week or two.
blackop wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:02 pm
i dont care that much about slim or thick chasis. actually i like ThiccPads more. Thickness suits on ThinkPads i guess that feels sturdy like a tank. i honestly dont like Thinkpads nowadays because they look too thin and fancy. i love T23 too much that could be my best thinkpad ever but LCD bezel crack makes me upset.
Well the thing about R5x is the design they've used make the plastics feel more roughly made and cheap. They are also bigger and heavier, and you don't get the soft touch lid on any of the R5x series, not sure if that is something you care about. Despite the size though, my experience with R51 is that the speakers sound more hollow and cheap than a 15" T4x.
But hey if you want a standard sized ThinkPad from this era that is mostly free of mobo problems, the T23 and R5x are like your only bet. The T6x and R6x might be too new for you.
Maybe you should wait for a deal to come out as in my opinion ppl care less about the R series ThinkPads and they come out cheap. Even if you get a low end model you can still use the T42 as a donor for many components such as the motherboard CPU RAM etc.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#23 Post by dr_st » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:03 am

blackop wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:54 pm
well my T42 says in the bottom label :
Type: 2373-4WG
Date: 05/03
i think it is made in March-2005? i didnt pay attention to epoxy around GPU when i disassembled
Yes, March 2005. And it's a Radeon 7500 machine.
kfzhu1229 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:25 am
Well unfortunately I don't think that is true for the Radeon 7500 ones. The T42 that I have reflowed the GPU of is the Radeon 7500 version and manufactured in 2006.
At least some Radeon 7500 did have the epoxy: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VQ8AAOSw ... -l1600.jpg

However, I don't think the epoxy could prevent all failures, just reduce their rate. I've also heard that they cannot be reflowed if they fail.
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#24 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:43 am

You can reflow those, but you first have to remove the epoxy, a super-tedious job that can easily go awry.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#25 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:34 am

Well seems like I was wrong. I thought it's from 2007, but it's July 2004 and not April 2007. I can never get the datecode order correctly without obvious giveaways.
And as you can see, there are no glue anywhere. Maybe that's why my oven reflow worked.
I have since put an active heatsink designed for the Radeon 9600 to suck as much heat out of the graphics chip as possible.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!At7-rt1KJ7WviPwT8KT ... Q?e=knnZBg
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If so what kind of adhesive?
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#26 Post by dr_st » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:48 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:34 am
Also just curious, does GPU broken T61 motherboards also have any glue around the chips?
If so what kind of adhesive?
Don't know the answer to that, but I seem to recall that with those series the problem was not chip detachment from the board, but failure of internal layers within the chip.
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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#27 Post by JBUK » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:20 pm

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Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:12 pm
Hi,

unfortunately i cracked lcd bezel of my T23 at 2 corners where hinges locate. it seems in time plastics are being deformed.. i am looking for replacement but i cant find anywhere.. is there a place to get it with international shipping option?
I still don't know which bezel you need of the several different types. I have got two complete T23s with uncracked bezels but I only want to sell the complete Thinkpad not take off the bezel. These are non wifi models by the way.
Where to begin......
390e FOR SALE
1 x T20
1 X T23 + 3 breaking for parts
1 X T23 with Samsung 840 SSD and XP Great combination !: SOLD
2 X T60
5 X T61
1 X T601 15"
1 X T520
2 X T530

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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#28 Post by blackop » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm

JBUK wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:20 pm
I still don't know which bezel you need of the several different types. I have got two complete T23s with uncracked bezels but I only want to sell the complete Thinkpad not take off the bezel. These are non wifi models by the way.
almost all my thinkpads have LCD bezel problem but T23 LCD bezel looks terrible. others dont have cracks viewable from outside except T42 (it is tiny crack but can get big in time).

now i need T23 bezel but i would like mint condition complete one. Even you would sell it i dont know how much shipping would cost to Turkey.

X20 - wobbling hinges - terribly broken lcd bezel (plastic is too fragile) - bad looking palmrest/upper case with scratches with some minor cracks
X31 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside (tiny clips too fragile)
x40 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside
x61 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside
T23 - broken lcd bezel - too tight hinges - bad lcd panel - lid has sticker marks, magic eraser helped to get rid many marks so not looking annoying - also fixed a minor crack on lid with epoxy inside
T42 - lcd bezel has very tiny crack
T60 - has crack on keyboard bezel and palmrest but epoxy seems fixed
x230 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside - broken palmrest - cracked bottom case
My ThinkCollection: X20-X31-X40-X601s-X230-T23-T42-T60

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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#29 Post by blackop » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:50 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:25 am
Well the thing about R5x is the design they've used make the plastics feel more roughly made and cheap. They are also bigger and heavier, and you don't get the soft touch lid on any of the R5x series, not sure if that is something you care about. Despite the size though, my experience with R51 is that the speakers sound more hollow and cheap than a 15" T4x.
But hey if you want a standard sized ThinkPad from this era that is mostly free of mobo problems, the T23 and R5x are like your only bet. The T6x and R6x might be too new for you.
Maybe you should wait for a deal to come out as in my opinion ppl care less about the R series ThinkPads and they come out cheap. Even if you get a low end model you can still use the T42 as a donor for many components such as the motherboard CPU RAM etc.
R51/R52 looks cool but never touched any R series so i dont know how they feel. i had A21m before which lid also is plastic (non rubberized/non magnesium), doesnt feel bad but i sold it because screen was terribly yellow.
i like T4x R5x era keyboards actually, they feel more ThinkPad imo. also i like R5x lid design, when they close, they cover the palmrest so they look like a box from front look.
My ThinkCollection: X20-X31-X40-X601s-X230-T23-T42-T60

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Re: T23 LCD Bezel need

#30 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:12 pm

blackop wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm
X20 - wobbling hinges - terribly broken lcd bezel (plastic is too fragile) - bad looking palmrest/upper case with scratches with some minor cracks
X31 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside (tiny clips too fragile)
x40 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside
x61 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside
T23 - broken lcd bezel - too tight hinges - bad lcd panel - lid has sticker marks, magic eraser helped to get rid many marks so not looking annoying - also fixed a minor crack on lid with epoxy inside
T42 - lcd bezel has very tiny crack
T60 - has crack on keyboard bezel and palmrest but epoxy seems fixed
x230 - lcd bezel has broken clips inside - broken palmrest - cracked bottom case
Well for the like of X20 I understand why you have cracked plastics and such. Almost every one of these laptops that's like 20 years old by now will have some cracks one way or the other.
A Dell Latitude from that era for example will have hinges that get too tight due to dust getting in, and if you don't lubricate it's just a time bomb that the plastics can start failing catastrophically from the hinge stress at any time.
But it's really for the likes of the T60 and X230 that in my opinion having cracked plastics is anything that's special.
And for that part, it's one of the things that I appreciate after switching my T43p to a Latitude D830 as my daily driver. The D830 (as well as D620, D820, D630, which resembles the T60) have magnesium lid and bottom cover, thick plastic bezels and palmrest, as well as steel hinges and lid hooks. You won't have any cracking in these things unless you deliberately have butterfingers. The downside is these are thicker and heavier as a result (though thickness is justified because this comes with a 9-cell battery that does not stick out).
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Lat D830 X9000 8gb 128gb WSXGA+ Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)

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