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Just owned T23
Just owned T23
Hi There,
after buying an A20M I found a nice T23. Missing battery but for this model it's 3x cheaper than the one for A20M so it's not a big deal.
It's been shipped with Windows XP but I want to rollback to Windows98SE. I found that the T23 was sold with Windows98SE back in the day so I don't understand why I'm not able to find any recovery CD for it. I tried a recovery CD for T21 but it's freezing when Powerquest starts.
Do you know if I can use a recovery CD from another model (like from this list viewtopic.php?f=11&t=128170 ) ?
I know there's a huge process (here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=132493 ) to install Windows98SE manually but I would prefer if there's a recovery CD
Thank you !
after buying an A20M I found a nice T23. Missing battery but for this model it's 3x cheaper than the one for A20M so it's not a big deal.
It's been shipped with Windows XP but I want to rollback to Windows98SE. I found that the T23 was sold with Windows98SE back in the day so I don't understand why I'm not able to find any recovery CD for it. I tried a recovery CD for T21 but it's freezing when Powerquest starts.
Do you know if I can use a recovery CD from another model (like from this list viewtopic.php?f=11&t=128170 ) ?
I know there's a huge process (here viewtopic.php?f=28&t=132493 ) to install Windows98SE manually but I would prefer if there's a recovery CD
Thank you !
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
Re: Just owned T23
Seems to be almost impossible to find a working Win98 recovery cd for this model. I found that A30 recovery cd would work but I' can't find it either
I tried with some other ( T21, T22 ) lot of drivers are missing.
I also noticed that display HV extension is really crappy on T23 compared to my A20M not sure why.
I tried with some other ( T21, T22 ) lot of drivers are missing.
I also noticed that display HV extension is really crappy on T23 compared to my A20M not sure why.
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
Re: Just owned T23
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
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Re: Just owned T23
I have a few CDs with different W98 versions (all English, but not recovery versions):
- W98 (incl. subdirs for Add-ons, CDsample, Drivers, Tools)
- W98 Plus
- W98 SE (OEM version with Microsoft 0499 P/N X03-77962)
I also have various CD-keys for them, not sure they are all legal, but nowadays I don't think that matters.
On my own T23 I have always had XP-Pro, never a problem.
- W98 (incl. subdirs for Add-ons, CDsample, Drivers, Tools)
- W98 Plus
- W98 SE (OEM version with Microsoft 0499 P/N X03-77962)
I also have various CD-keys for them, not sure they are all legal, but nowadays I don't think that matters.
On my own T23 I have always had XP-Pro, never a problem.
Lovely day for a Guinness! (The Real Black Stuff)
Re: Just owned T23
It's mainly under DOS. I'll take a photo and create a comparison.
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
Re: Just owned T23
Ok, easy comparison. When booting, the Windows Splash is taking the whole screen on the A20M but not on the T23 :
Same under Norton Ghost :
More details on the way it's displayed. The letters are extended in a crappy way on the T23 and smooth on the A20M :
Same under Norton Ghost :
More details on the way it's displayed. The letters are extended in a crappy way on the T23 and smooth on the A20M :
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
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Re: Just owned T23
Resolution scaling is a feature that you take for granted today, but it was very much not so back then! For machines around 1999-2004, mostly only NVidia and ATI graphics have resolution scaling as a function! AFAIK all the ATI Rage cards and Radeon cards have them (Including the Rage M1 from 1999), and GeForce2, 4 Go have them as well, but Neomagic, S3 and Intel do NOT!
Neomagic and S3 can only do near integer based scalings, hence why you see that ugly mess, while Intel graphics back then can't even do that!
In fact, the S3 graphics' 3D performance is almost nonexistent anyway. It's meant for only 2D acceleration for things like graphing performance.
What does not help is that the T2x's XGA Samsung LCD's are by far the worst TFT displays I have ever seen on a laptop, gives me eyestrain in 15 minutes.
And yeah you can use a T22 Windows 98 restore CD, but drivers such as Audio, graphics and power management are different (T23 and A30 use a much more advanced power management system that's used all the way to T4x and that's what enables newer power managers to work).
Dell Lat CP MMX-233 64mb 40gb W2k
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
600 PII-266 416mb 40gb WXP
T23 PIII 1.13ghz 1gb W7
Precision M4300 X9000 8gb 160gb WUXGA Ultrasharp fp W10
T530i 15.6" i7 16gb fp W10
UXGA:
A30p PIII 1.2 1gb W7 (IDTech)
T43p 2.26 2gb fp W10 (Sharp)
Lat C840 P4-2.5 2gb 60gb W7 (Ultrasharp)
Re: Just owned T23
That's right, it's a S3 on the T23 and an ATI on the A20M ! Good catch
For the installation, I created a Win98 restore cd based on this instructions
viewtopic.php?p=864137#p864137
For the installation, I created a Win98 restore cd based on this instructions
viewtopic.php?p=864137#p864137
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
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Re: Just owned T23
My T23 (with XP) uses this driver: https://www.file-upload.net/en/download ... p.exe.html
From the name, it looks made for XP and W2K, but why not try it under W98?
From the name, it looks made for XP and W2K, but why not try it under W98?
Lovely day for a Guinness! (The Real Black Stuff)
Re: Just owned T23
Because this has nothing to do with Windows Under Windows everything is good. It's mainly under MS-Dos the issue
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
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Re: Just owned T23
Anything useful here?
http://www.resoo.org/docs/dos/free_soft ... aphics.htm
http://www.resoo.org/docs/dos/free_soft ... aphics.htm
Lovely day for a Guinness! (The Real Black Stuff)
Re: Just owned T23
There is a configuration utility for DOS that may help.
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkpad- ... m/T23.html
Under the Software and Utility heading find Configuration utility for DOS - ThinkPad Version: 4.44
One command of possible interest is:
.[HVEXPansion]
Command Syntax : PS2 HVEXPansion ON|OFf
.fCurrent State :
Description : Select 'ON' to display 640 by 480 resolution screen on the SVGA LCD
There are other commands to influence the LCD display so take a look at the options.
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkpad- ... m/T23.html
Under the Software and Utility heading find Configuration utility for DOS - ThinkPad Version: 4.44
One command of possible interest is:
.[HVEXPansion]
Command Syntax : PS2 HVEXPansion ON|OFf
.fCurrent State :
Description : Select 'ON' to display 640 by 480 resolution screen on the SVGA LCD
There are other commands to influence the LCD display so take a look at the options.
ThinkPad T60 1951-43U (with many upgrades)
Re: Just owned T23
I'll give a try. Disabling the HVExpansion is possible from Bios but then you have a very tiny image
Let's see if there's mote options there.
Thanks !
Let's see if there's mote options there.
Thanks !
IBM A20M - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE - MS-DOS 7.1 set up.
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
IBM T23P - Battery Changed - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM T22 - Battery Ordered - 128GB SSD - Windows 98SE
IBM X41 - Just received, work in progress
Lenovo T460 - Linux Mint
Lenovo T470 - Windows 10
Lenovo T470 - Windows 11
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