T23 ibm thinkpad

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xaro · #1 Post by **xaro** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:02 pm

My t23 runs a little warm so i decided to replace the thermal compound on my laptop but im having a little trouble removing the bezel thats above the power button i can get both ends out but theres a peice that wont detatch thats next to the dvdrom drive. Is there a screw thats holding that in place? or is it suppose to just pop off?

pianowizard · #2 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:10 pm

Yes, there is a somewhat obscure screw there. I remember having the same problem. The Hardward Maintenance Manual will be helpful here.

xaro · #3 Post by **xaro** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:55 pm

I started up the laptop and and i get the error msg

PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
PXE-M0f: Exiting Intel PXE ROM.
Boot Failure: System Halted

I went ahead and tried reseating the hard drive a few times and i still get the same msg.When the drive is attempting to boot it starts making odd sounds and when i shut it off it beeped once before it shut down.

chan_man · #4 Post by **chan_man** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:56 pm

Can you get into bios? if so try resetting to defaults and restart the machine.

xaro · #5 Post by **xaro** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:57 pm

I went ahead and restored the default settings and restarted and still got the same msg, i also ran hd diagnostic software and the drive isnt detected. I think the hd is dead

since i have to replace the hd i decided on upgrading and got a travelstar

Rex · #6 Post by **Rex** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:18 am

To remove the bezel at the back of the keyboard, you need to take out the DVD drive. The drive covers the screw in the middle of the bezel. There is also a screw on the bottom on the DVD side and I think, one in the middle of the base. No screws on the processor side.

But I gues by now you have already found this info from the HMM.

Whatever you do, be very careful; all the plastic bits are manufactured to the mininmum of tolerances and are easily broken.

Rex

xaro · #7 Post by **xaro** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:05 pm

I received the replacement hard drive today and I went ahead and installed it and I still get the same error msg. I dled the hitachi diagnostic software and the drive isn’t detected. I've tried resetting the drive a few times and restoring the bios to the default settings.

#8 Post by **rkawakami** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 pm

Have you tried to download a copy of PC Doctor for the T2x systems? Check this thread for my instructions on where to get a copy:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=31668

One of the diagnostics in PC Doctor is designed to check the hard drive controller and the drive itself. Give that a try and let us know what it reports.

ianf · #9 Post by **ianf** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:42 pm

i had the same trouble, for me i hit f12 then selected hd as my boot device ,

hope that helps .

ianf

xaro · #10 Post by **xaro** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:51 pm

When I hit F12 and select the hd to boot first I still get the error msg

I ran a normal diagnostic and this is what I got

CPU/COPROCESSOR TEST

CPU Registers- Passed
CPU Arithmetics- Passed
CPU Logical Operations- Passed
CPU String Operations- Passed
CPU Interrupts/Exceptions- Passed
CPU buffers/cache- Passed
CoProc Registers- Passed
CoProc Commands- Passed
CoProc Arithmetics- Passed
CoProc Transcendental- Passed
MMX Test- Passed

System Board test category

System timer- Passed
Bios timer- Passed
IRQ Controller- Passed
DMA channels- Passed
RAM refresh- Passed
RTC clock- Passed
Cmos ram- Passed
Keyboard- Passed
PCI- Passed
PCMCIA- Passed
PCMCIA External loop- Blank
USB port- Passed
USB port external loop- Blank
IEEE1394 Port- N/A

Parallel port test category

Command and data port- Passed
External loopback and IRQ- Blank

Video adapter test category

Video memory- Passed
Video pages- Passed
VGA contoller registers- Passed
VGA color-dac Registers- Passed
s3 2D engine test- Passed
s3 3D engine tests- Passed
s3 multimedia tests- Passed

Diskette test category

Hi-Low Seek- Failed
Funnel seek- Failed
Random Seek- Failed
Liner verify- Failed
liner write/read- blank
Liner write/random read - blank

LS-120/240 Drive Test category

All of the tests came up - N/A

Fixed disk test category

Controller - Blank
Hi-low seek- Blank
Funnel seek- Blank
Track to track seek- Blank
random seek- Blank
Linear verify- Blank
Random verify- Blank

#11 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:23 am

xaro wrote: Fixed disk test category

Controller - Blank
Hi-low seek- Blank
Funnel seek- Blank
Track to track seek- Blank
random seek- Blank
Linear verify- Blank
Random verify- Blank

This appears to be telling the whole story.. for some reason the laptop is not recognizing the hard disk controller. My guess would be that the problem is on the motherboard and not something that is easily correctable.

Possible cures:

1) Install the latest BIOS version
2) Install the latest embedded controller version

Both of these are available at IBM's site:

T23 software

It appears from the PC Doctor output that you used a CD to load the diagnostics (diskette tests failed). Since I believe that the Ultrabay devices use the secondary channel of the IDE controller, that at least means that some of the I/O chipset is working. Possible causes for the hard disk not working are:

1) Bent/broken/shorted pins in the hard drive connector
2) Broken trace on the motherboard
3) Damaged components on the motherboard

Any one of those problems (except maybe a bent pin) would necessitate a motherboard replacement.

And finally, this just occured to me... IF you used a CD to load PC Doctor, it might be possible to install a hard drive in an Ultrabay hard disk drive adapter and then boot from there. I say IF and MIGHT because I have not ever tried this before so it's conjecture on my part at this time.

(edit: Yes, it appears to be possible to boot from a hard drive in the Ultrabay HDD adapter. I put a spare drive into my adapter, removed the existing HD, and booted the T23. It recognized the drive, loaded Windows and then presented me with a Found New Hardware wizard. I killed the wizard and shut down the system as I did not want any changes made to the drive. I did not have to change anything in the BIOS setup; it seems to recognize the drive fine. Of course if you do this, it only means that you are confirming that your drive(s) can boot and that you are having a problem with the primary IDE channel. It won't do you much good to use the laptop this way since you lose access to any other Ultrabay device.)

xaro · #12 Post by **xaro** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:43 am

i dont have a floppy drive.is it possible to turn it to an iso?

#13 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:20 am

xaro wrote:i dont have a floppy drive.is it possible to turn it to an iso?

If you are referring to the BIOS and embedded controller update files from IBM, I don't know. I would assume that it could be done (I have created an ISO image for the 600X version of PC Doctor). My recollection is that those files are executables which then write bootable floppies.

The good news is that floppy drives are fairly cheap. You could either get an Ultrabay 2000 one or do what I have done, which is to use an external floppy drive for the 600-series systems along with a T-series port replicator.

(edit: Are you in Canada or California?)

xaro · #14 Post by **xaro** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:32 am

I don’t know if I want to invest anymore money into this laptop if there’s a strong possibility that the mobo is damaged, the floppy would end up being just another thing that gets stuffed into the closet. I’ll take it apart one more time and see if there’s anything damaged, If I don’t see anything ill probably part it out.

rkawakami
(edit: Are you in Canada or California?)

California

#15 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:29 am

Looking at my "toasted" T23 motherboard, the Intel 82801 chip located "behind" the hard disk drive connector is what appears to be the IDE controller (among other things). It's possible that one of the input pins to that chip, via the HDD connector, got fried. Either that or one of the solder "balls" underneath the chip has lost contact with the printed circuit board. Both of those problems isn't something that can easily be corrected.

alagregg · #16 Post by **alagregg** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:22 am

i had a similar problem to this when i first got my T23.

I tried everything, but it would always want to boot into the Intel network card.

eventually i removed the networkcards from the laptop (both modem and network) and tried again. It seemed to solve something and allowed me to boot to the hard disk.

i then saved the bios settings, put the network cards back in and everything worked.

Hope this might help you

- Al

Website · #17 Post by **tfflivemb2** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:36 am

I believe that alagregg is correct. The PXE error normally relates to the networking card. Try removing the lan card.

Davemci · #18 Post by **Davemci** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:56 am

I'm assuming you used Artic Silver themal compound. It's also electrically conductive. Is it possible you shorted something with the compound?

xaro · #19 Post by **xaro** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:58 am

Over the weekend I removed the palm rest and put in the old hard drive without the cage and the laptop booted up. When I put in the new hard drive with the cage I got the same error msg, thats when I noticed that the 2 metal flaps at the end of the hard drive cage were bent just enough to prevent the pins from making a good connection. I bent the 2 metal flaps back and the new hard drive worked fine. A big head ache caused by 2 metal flaps lol

I used artic silver ceramique

#20 Post by **rkawakami** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:14 pm

Earlier I wrote:My guess would be that the problem is on the motherboard and not something that is easily correctable.

I stand corrected! It was easy

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