T23 Vs R32

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TomKroscavage · #1 Post by **TomKroscavage** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:39 pm

A friend just gave me a low spec R32 and I need to sell it or a loaded T23. What do you think? The T23 is made so much better. I use it for Autocad at home. I have an X22 for the road.

asiafish · #2 Post by **asiafish** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:37 pm

I never cared for the R series. I'm not saying that they aren't excellent machines, but they just feel like consumer, rather than business models. Entirely subjective I know, but I buy thinkPads as much for the feel of the hardware as for any performance advantage. I'd rather have a clean older model than a beat up, but functional new model for the same reason.

#3 Post by **dorronto** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:38 am

I use, my family that is, a R31 and it's a pretty good machine. Little thicker and heavier but sturdy. I wouldn't want to carry it around all the time, but it could be done. Great for banging around though. Since It's thicker I would say it can take a beating more so than a T23. What can I say about a T23................Excellent laptop. But speed wise the R31 and T23 are similar. The R32 uses the Pentium4 cpu so it's going to run hotter and depending on the cpu's you have in both, the T23 could be running at around the same speed. The PentiumIII M core runs fast...............

Good luck,
Ron

asiafish · #4 Post by **asiafish** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:46 am

I don't think I've ever had a machine run as hot as the T22, except for my MacBook, but that was a product defect in the first generation.

frankie66 · #5 Post by **frankie66** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:15 am

I have both machines and find the R32 better. Mainly because my T23 doesn't have the built in WLAN so it's more fragile with the pcmcia card sticking out the side. If I had to sell one it would be the T23 because the technology is older: P3 vs P4, memory (it uses 144 pin memory which many shops don't bother selling anymore), also my R32 has an XP COA on its base as opposed to the W2k on my T23. At the end of the day you won't get much money for either so why not do what I do and keep them both: you can never have too many thinkpads

#6 Post by **dorronto** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:03 am

I disagree frankie66. A T23 can always sell for good money, as long as it's in good running condition. People love T23's.............
I know........

Ron

frankie66 · #7 Post by **frankie66** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:41 am

Hey don't get me wrong I love my T23 too (I love all my TPs), but all I'd get for it on eBay is $200 and I'm not going to part with such a great machine for such a small amount of money!!

WarMachine · #8 Post by **WarMachine** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:40 am

I agree with Ron.

T23 is a wonderful machine.

And having a P4 instead of a PIII isn't an advantage to me.

It runs hotter, uses more battery, and, performance isn't always better than PIII (If you take the P4 1.2 GHz, I'm not sure it beats the PIII 1.13 GHz of the T23)...

T23 is lighter and can run every "basic" nowadays task (typing, surfing, watchind DVD, listening to music and so on...)

You can even play with old games (I've run Q3, UT2003 and WoW on mine).

Subjective too, but I would sell the R32, and keep the T23...

Oooh, and some T23 have XP COA.

W.

pianowizard · #9 Post by **pianowizard** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:47 am

Spirit-1776 wrote:A friend just gave me a low spec R32 and I need to sell it or a loaded T23.

I am looking at your signature. It's a very loaded T23 indeed. But is the LCD still the original 1024x768?

WarMachine wrote:Oooh, and some T23 have XP COA.

Such as the OP's.

jimmy274 · #10 Post by **jimmy274** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:48 pm

T23, no questions asked... Better machine - won't quit on you...
R3x series is, by my experience, very, very unreliable...
No seriously, guys, don't judge by what you have - judge by how many laptops have broken down in a certain series - then you will see that T4x series are prone to ATi failures (bad BGA solder), or that T30 has a bad memory slot, and that R3x have problems with power units. Usually, the y3 series is the best - T23 has only one problem - the faulty inductor soldering, which you can fix in 15 minutes, while with T40-T42 which have problems with graphic chip soldering, you've stuck with motherboard replacement.
Simple math...

kensplace · #11 Post by **kensplace** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:32 pm

Any common faults on the R32 that I should look out for, early warning signs that something is up, so I can get it sorted under warranty rather than wait till its too late?

TomKroscavage · #12 Post by **TomKroscavage** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:02 am

pianowizard wrote:
Spirit-1776 wrote:A friend just gave me a low spec R32 and I need to sell it or a loaded T23.
I am looking at your signature. It's a very loaded T23 indeed. But is the LCD still the original 1024x768?

WarMachine wrote:Oooh, and some T23 have XP COA.
Such as the OP's.

I bought the T23 "as is" on ebay for $100 with a coa and the high resulution screen it has worked for yaers

pianowizard · #13 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:20 am

Spirit-1776 wrote:the high resulution screen

So I suppose the display has been upgraded to 1400x1050?

#14 Post by **underclocker** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:26 am

This is a classic T vs. R thread, I love it.

I've owned T20, T21, T22, T23, R30, R31, R32, R40, T40, T41, T42, T43, R50, R51 & R52 machines (among others).

Assuming you're talking about machines in similar condition (not abused and currently functioning well), any of them should last a long time if they are properly cared for, meaning not abused.

Regarding the T23 vs. R32, without a doubt, the T23 was one of IBM's finest moments. It was elegant, had a Mercedes-Benz feel, was the right weight, and had great feature options. It was also reliable and quite fast with the best Pentium-IIIm cpus.

The R32 was from the budget / value line. It does not have the look or same feel as the T-series. However, in spite of it's weight and less handsome finish, it is a very capable and solid machine. The R3x's are quite durable and I had several that ran all day and even served as guest machines. They never had a problem.

As mentioned, the R3x's with internal wifi antennas (not all models) are quite nice to have and I know they can all be upgraded to internal G. The R32's can also be upgraded to a Pentium IV M 2.6GHz CPU. Performance-wise, a T23 can't touch that. (USB 2.0 is the only modern item missing from both, this came with the R40's and T40's.)

I say keep your maxed out T23 if you want to continue to enjoy one of IBM's finest. However, if you want to learn about pushing the limit on a different ThinkPad model, keep the R32 and go nuts.

Either way, you're doing just fine.

TomKroscavage · #15 Post by **TomKroscavage** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:50 am

pianowizard wrote:
Spirit-1776 wrote:the high resulution screen
So I suppose the display has been upgraded to 1400x1050?

Yes.

However, if you want to learn about pushing the limit on a different ThinkPad model, keep the R32 and go nuts.

I would like to hear more about going nuts.

pianowizard · #16 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:08 am

Spirit-1776 wrote:
pianowizard wrote:So I suppose the display has been upgraded to 1400x1050?
Yes.

That answer is important for deciding which laptop to keep. A maxed out R32 certainly outperforms a maxed out T23. However, I don't think there's an SXGA+ option for the R32, suggesting that it might be impossible to upgrade its XGA LCD. So, it makes sense to keep the T23 for its higher resolution, lighter weight and better looks.

#17 Post by **underclocker** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:37 pm

Piano, I can't believe thhat you would even consider an R32 LCD upgrade impossible?! After all you've done to that T42?!

I think you just want to be the first to do it!

#18 Post by **underclocker** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:05 pm

Robbyrobot · #19 Post by **Robbyrobot** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:44 am

I bought the T23 "as is" on ebay for $100 with a coa and the high resulution screen it has worked for yaers

Delivered or plus $100 shipping?

Seriously, you certainly got a good deal and I'd like to find something like that, too.

WarMachine · #20 Post by **WarMachine** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:53 am

Yeah, that's pretty cheap !

I got mine for 350€ in february... But not "as is", it was like new, and there even was a three-month guarantee.

W.

pianowizard · #21 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:47 am

underclocker wrote:Piano, I can't believe thhat you would even consider an R32 LCD upgrade impossible?!

That's why I said "might be impossible"! It would be great if the OP wants to try this upgrade, but it's not guaranteed to work.

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